Lawl Pogeymanz

[Coen]

I'm posting one of my teams I regularly use on wifi here, and I want you to point out if my team has any HUEG WEAKZ.

Here goes:

Porygon-Z @ (Leftovers/Expert Belt/Life orb)? / Shiny
Trait: Download
Nature: Modest (+ Sp atk - Atk)
EVs: 252 Sp Atk/252 Speed

Moveset:

~Tbolt
~Ice Beam
~Shadow Ball
~Scheme

Good to switch in on a Pokemon of which you know it's Defense is higher than it's Attack, like Gliscor. Up till now this thing has always worked fine for me being a major Sp Sweeper after I get a Scheme in. My first legit shiny also.

Infernape @ Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
Nature: Naughty (+ Atk - Sp Def)
EVs: 128 Atk/128 Sp Atk/252 Speed

Moveset:

~Grass Knot
~Stone Edge
~Flamethrower
~Close Combat

My Mixed Sweeper. Close Combat OHKOs Bliss and Grass Knot takes care of Pert, Rhyperior and some other nasty stuff.

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Nature: Sassy (+ Sp Def - Speed)
Evs: 252 HP/128 Def/128 Sp Def

Moveset:

~Ominous Wind/Shadow Ball
~Will-o-Wisp
~Pain Split
~Calm Mind

I don't like the Hypnosweep version of Spirit so I chose the All Wall one. As you might see, I mainly use it to er..wall leaning towards the Special Wall side. There's actually a nasty strategy behind this moveset (which I credited LONG ago), which I'm not gonna explain right now.

Persian @ Hooked Spikes / Shiny
Trait: Limber
Nature: Jolly (+ Spd - Sp Atk)
EVs: 128 HP/128 Sp Def/252 Speed

Moveset:

~U-turn
~Switcheroo
~Swagger
~Attract

This Pokemon is heavily relying on luck but I like it too much not too use (not to mention it's shiny and legit ^^ I caught it myself) U-turn for the LAWL SWITCH OUT, Switcheroo to get that Hooked Spikes off you and inflict nice damage to the other Pokemon with it each turn, especially on Pokemon that don't carry lefties etc. as it chops off 1/8 damage each turn. Gotta be careful with it. Before doing Switcheroo, I usually Swagger Physical Sweepers and Attract Special Sweepers (which is a problem when I'm up against a female Special Sweeper), but I'm thinking of replacing it with Captivate to screw their Sp Atk. So yeah, long live pale white cats.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Bold (+ Def - Atk)
EVs: 52 Sp Atk/252 Sp Def/204 HP

Moveset:

~Calm Mind
~Ice Beam
~Thunder Wave
~Reflect

Yeah, ok. Both walls Physical and Special stuff. Custom moveset. Calm Mind is there because it lacks IV in Sp Def, and I need to power up Ice Beam before it actually kills stuff that have a 2x/4x weak to ice. Reflect for team support. Thunder Wave to hmm....paralyse stuff.

Gengar @ ???
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Serious (nothing) I accidentaly screwed up one this one, I couldn't read the japanese nature names yet when I trained this one.
EVs: 252 Sp Atk/252 Speed/6 HP

Moveset:

~Focus Punch
~Thunderbolt
~Sludge Bomb
~Shadow Ball

Standard Gengar I think, without a + Sp Atk nature.....also levitates to switch into EQs. And item? Expert Belt or something?

I'm looking for people who can tell me which Pogeymanz will completely destroy my team.

Help appreciated ^_~

 

[commonyoshi]

Your Porygon-Z is pretty good. I'm a bit surprised you dont have Tri-Attack for STAB, but if you want to go for more critical hits, that works too. I'm going to be going for that with my own Porygon-Z. Maybe you should use Dark Pulse instead of Shadow Ball. They're both Super Effective against the same things, and both have the same base power. The only differences are that Dark Pulse isn't SE against fighting pokemon, something that really shouldn't matter, and it has 20% flinch. Shadow Ball has 20% lowering Sdef, but flinch is arguably better. Also, you may want to put Agility somewhere so it can outspeed. It's Speed isn't that great, and Garchomp will own it unless you own it first.

Your Bronzong is good. I considered that set for my own team, but I kinda wanted to force switches. I might change my mind though. Just dont think I stole your set. Also, beware that stinking Heracross as your burn does nothing to it, and it resists Shadow Ball. I'd say definitely forget about Ominous Wind. I might just suggest Psychic over Shadow Ball too.

Your Persian is really... original... so I dont know what to say.

Take out Sludge Bomb on Gangar. You're probably going for STAB there, but Shadow Ball just works so much better in so many situations. You already have two Ice Beams and a Flamethrower on your team so SludgeBomb wont really be appreciated anywhere. Put Hypnosis instead to aid with Subpunch.

Standard Heracross is probably your biggest opponent as far as I can tell. Megahorns Porygon-Z, Stone Edges Infernape (dont know if it's enough for a OHKO-I'll look into that), owns Spiritomb in many ways (dont burn him because of guts), Close Combat/Brick Break Persian, Megahorns Cresselia, and generally beats Gengar. Try to paralyze him, I guess.

I looked into the Heracoss thing. A Stone Edge should be enough to barely kill if Infernape has 300 HP with no EVs in Def but max IVs. If Heracross gets off a Swords Dance or has its Guts ability then you're screwed. The good news is that Heracross is slower than Infernape. Unfortunately, you're still not going to do enough damage to OHKO Heracross without Swords Dance or with with a Flamethrower. So hope Heracross misses or something.

Note: I suck at checking battle damage. I suggest you look into it yourself.

 

[hyyde]

With the advent of Focus Blast, Focus punch is less appetizing. I'd replace Focus Punch with Focus Blast; it's a fighting type move with a power of 120 so it should get the job done there. More importantly, it runs off of Gengar's Special. You could also throw in Hypnosis to replace Sludge Bomb, or you could use Fire Punch to take care of your apparent Heracross problem, but your EVs aren't really in the favour of that since FP now runs off attack.

My recommended moveset:

Gengar@Life Orb?/Lefties/Choice Specs

~Hypnosis/Will-o-Wisp/Fire Punch?
~Tbolt
~Shadow Bawll
~Focus Blast

Wisp can help because it may cause Pursuiters to switch out themselves. You already have Spiritomb though so it's up to you.

On Cresselia you could consider replacing Reflect with Rest so it has more staying power. It doesn't help the rest of your team as well, but you can calm mind and then rest. If you do that you may want to replace Twave with Sleep Talk so you aren't helpless while asleep.

Cresselia@lefties

~Sleep Talk
~Rest
~Ice Beam
~Calm Mind

Lawl@Persian. If you like it then use it, I guess.

Spiritomb looks good; use SB unless your secret strategy somehow revolves around Ominous Wind raising stats. The only problem with Spiritomb is that you have two walls (Cressy and this) and they both do a lot of the same stuff. Persian and Spiritomb are the first two I'd consider nixing.

You definitely have Heracross problems. The first thing I see that could be replaced is your Persian or your Spiritomb; A Fire Blast Weezing would do the trick and it'd also give you a hazer.

Another glaring weakness is your lack of a rapid spinner. Maybe EQ/Stone Edge/Ice Shard/Rapid Spin Donphan? You could put that in place of your Spiritomb or Persian although that'd really be just another Infernape. You could consider Starmie, but that'd chalk up another Hera weakness and it'd also give you a 3rd special sweeper... if you did that I'd get rid of Porygon.

Overall, it looks pretty good.

 

[Coen]

Moar comments?

Someone tell me something that counters Heracross please. I got Weezing so far, but he got worse in this gen.

 

[CaliburChamp]

Id say your Infernape could take out a Heracross. Heracross is a problem, but you have pokemon that can outspeed it. Gengar, Persian and Infernape. Maybe you can teach your Gengar Psychic, to deal with it. And Heracross' Megahorn should not be very effective hitting Gengar since Gengar is a poison type too. Most Heracross know, Close Combat, Megahorn, Earthquake, and some other random move. Your Gengar can take most of all its hits with Levitate, and being a Ghost, and bug attacks not being very effective against poison types. I dont think you would have a Heracross problem anymore.

 

[Coen]

I got totally ran over by a Choice Scarf Heracross though some time ago X_X Outspeeds everything I have, and I didn't bring Gengar that time. Gengar seems do nicely against it though.

 

[Metadour-2]

http://www.serebii.net/potw-dp/214.shtml

muhahaha! that guide should totally own your apparent heracross problem. although i dunno if you can't handle a heracross too well, i do agree that a choice scarfed heracross would run rampant throughout most of your team. and since it's becoming really popular, i'll say that the bottom of the page of that link i sent you is specifically about countering heracross. look into it a bit, it should help slightly.