lack of cuts and what it means for the roster?

[Luigi#1]

Ah, I would think Zelda would get the fifth rep. first, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. I was also under the impression that Jigglypuff was unpopular, but hey, haven't really been here for long.

Even if Puff wasn't loved, he's still been here sience the first game. Non of the first 12 are being cut.

 

[Kenith]

Ah, I would think Zelda would get the fifth rep. first, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. I was also under the impression that Jigglypuff was unpopular, but hey, haven't really been here for long.

Fifth Zelda rep??

 

[Seraphim.]

People still expect Roy?
You're the first person in a while that I've heard that from.

I never said expected, just that would be my preferred roster. I get you have some grudge against Roy and his supporters but this isn't the place for FE debates.

 

[Waluridleykryrool]

Sorry but i will never understand peoples infatuation with that character...

 

[Kenith]

Are people dissing my boi? Do I have to choke somebody?

Also, does anyone else factor in Melee characters when determining whether or not there are cuts?

 

[Manny Toons]

So you support Captain Falcon being cut as well?

You people who keep bringing this "relevancy" argument up to slight Jiggs DO realize Falcon hasn't starred in his own game in nearly 10 YEARS right? If it weren't for Smash he'd be nothing but an afterthought at this point.

No I do not, and this isn't a relevancy argument regarding any other series. This is purely how I see Jigglypuff's current stance in the Pokemon field of Smash Bros.. If Sakurai's going to be deciding these Pokemon characters based off of how advertised they are, Jigglypuff should go.

 

[BindingBlade]

No I do not, and this isn't a relevancy argument regarding any other series. This is purely how I see Jigglypuff's current stance in the Pokemon field of Smash Bros.. If Sakurai's going to be deciding these Pokemon characters based off of how advertised they are, Jigglypuff should go.

This.

 

[Luigi#1]

No I do not, and this isn't a relevancy argument regarding any other series. This is purely how I see Jigglypuff's current stance in the Pokemon field of Smash Bros.. If Sakurai's going to be deciding these Pokemon characters based off of how advertised they are, Jigglypuff should go.

Getting rid of Jigglypuff would be ridiculus. Sakuri will not remove any of the original 12. That's final.

 

[The Real Gamer]

If Sakurai's going to be deciding these Pokemon characters based off of how advertised they are, Jigglypuff should go.

Which explains why she got in over Mewtwo in Brawl, right? >.>

 

[BindingBlade]

Which explains why she got in over Mewtwo in Brawl, right? >.>

He could always take a different approach to the roster this time. Mewtwo's exclusion was a mystery to me.

 

[Deleted member]

All you guys talking about Jigglypuff getting cut...give it a Rest.

It can't even learn Cut anyway, so I don't know what people are smoking....

 

[Manny Toons]

Which explains why she got in over Mewtwo in Brawl, right? >.>

Time constraints.

 

[Kenith]

It can't even learn Cut anyway, so I don't know what people are smoking....

You know what TM Mewtwo can learn?

Return.

 

[splat]

You know what TM Mewtwo can learn?

Return.

O****, Pichu can as well.

 

[Kenith]

O****, Pichu can as well.

 

[Renji64]

Jigglypuff is smash bros cutting the puff is unacceptable.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wonder what it would've been like if Magmar was in SSB64?

 

[dimensionsword64]

This makes me feel better with Ike's chances.

 

[bloodbuzzed]

Jigglypuff has 3/3 vet status, a fanbase, significance because she's in every Pokemon game and has the new Fairy status (new moves!) and to top it all off, she is probably very simple to design and develop. A more polished Brawl port (with her Melee mechanics plz ) will easily suffice. Time constraints aren't even a plausible reason to axe her.

 

[HammerHappy]

No I do not, and this isn't a relevancy argument regarding any other series. This is purely how I see Jigglypuff's current stance in the Pokemon field of Smash Bros.. If Sakurai's going to be deciding these Pokemon characters based off of how advertised they are, Jigglypuff should go.

So why is Lucario getting in if it's based on how advertised they are? I don't understand the infatuation with him. His biggest recent thing was getting his megaevo, but Jigglypuff is also one of the first announced fairy types.

So very clearly with the introduction of just a regular Lucario we can say that advertisement has nothing to do with what Pokemon they pick.

So yes, the 3x Smash veteran should stay and deserves to stay more than an old 4th gen poke that forgot to bring his megastone.
But he's in the game anyway so you know we're either going to lose a poke rep or we're going to have Pokemon for days.

I think it's the latter since it's been explicitly stated they're trying to maintain the old roster. Toon Link and Lucario are simply testaments to that.

 

[SmashBro99]

Getting rid of Jigglypuff would be ridiculus. Sakuri will not remove any of the original 12. That's final.

Sakuri said that? please.

 

[DaDavid]

The fact that jigglypuff is relatively easy to put into the game is the biggest thing she has going for her. I don't think the original 12 have any sort of special status, and I feel like Jigglypuff is the only one out of them where that even has to be brought up as a defense.

 

[Luigi#1]

The fact that jigglypuff is relatively easy to put into the game is the biggest thing she has going for her. I don't think the original 12 have any sort of special status, and I feel like Jigglypuff is the only one out of them where that even has to be brought up as a defense.

Nobody ever doubted Yoshi, C.Falcon, or Ness, right? So of course that defense is it's only.

 

[DaDavid]

I'm not sure I see what your point is. I've seen my doubts, all be them fairly rare ones, for Yoshi and Ness. In both cases people can point out that they are the main character in their own series or game and that they both have a pretty sizable fanbase outside of being a Smash Bros. character.

One of which can't be said at all of Jigglypuff and the other... well maybe, but I really don't know many people who love Jigglypuff for anything other than being awesome in Melee.

 

[Luigi#1]

I'm not sure I see what your point is. I've seen my doubts, all be them fairly rare ones, for Yoshi and Ness. In both cases people can point out that they are the main character in their own series or game and that they both have a pretty sizable fanbase outside of being a Smash Bros. character.

One of which can't be said at all of Jigglypuff and the other... well maybe, but I really don't know many people who love Jigglypuff for anything other than being awesome in Melee.

They could easily make Puff better. I just feel it's really unlikely that it's cut. As Luigi's comment said, he would have never been revealed as early as he was if it wasn't the year of Luigi, so I'm guessing the other 3 won't be revealed till way later.

 

[Morbi]

The fact that jigglypuff is relatively easy to put into the game is the biggest thing she has going for her. I don't think the original 12 have any sort of special status, and I feel like Jigglypuff is the only one out of them where that even has to be brought up as a defense.

Precisely the point. Ness didn't need the defense as omitting him would remove the Mother franchise from the game (unless he kept Lucas, which is entirely irrational), something I doubt Sakurai was intending to do. Captain Falcon has become the face of the series, I would be wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Mario got cut over Captain Falcon, again, cutting Captain Falcon would result in removing F-Zero. Yoshi... really? No one has EVER doubted Yoshi, he has similar immunity to Ness and Captain Falcon as you would remove Yoshi's franchise from the roster. Jigglypuff is the only character that wouldn't remove a franchise from the roster, hence she has more elaborate defenses. Point is, she made it over Mewtwo in Brawl, her low priority isn't necessarily a result of her unpopularity, it has more to do with the notion that she IS easy to develop and add last minute.

 

[DaDavid]

They could easily make Puff better. I just feel it's really unlikely that it's cut. As Luigi's comment said, he would have never been revealed as early as he was if it wasn't the year of Luigi, so I'm guessing the other 3 won't be revealed till way later.

Yeah I absolutely understand. I don't mean to sound as if I think she/it/whatever is likely to be cut, I honestly don't. I guess I just can't help but figure that what helps her stay in more than anything is her relative ease of design, not so much her popularity. Though again, I'm certainly not saying it's non-existent or anything, just not at the level of some other characters in Smash.

EDIT: And yes Morbid, that makes all the sense in the world. Someone who doesn't require all that much work would either be taken care of right away (though in the context of a game that needs to be shown off to some degree, the characters one intends to show off naturally come first) or right near the end, and I guess that's just where Jigglypuff seems to reside.

 

[Luigi#1]

Yeah I absolutely understand. I don't mean to sound as if I think she/it/whatever is likely to be cut, I honestly don't. I guess I just can't help but figure that what helps her stay in more than anything is her relative ease of design, not so much her popularity. Though again, I'm certainly not saying it's non-existent or anything, just not at the level of some other characters in Smash.

Pretty much. I just don't think she would be cut, that's all.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

To answer the thread question, I just think people have been expecting the wrong cuts. Everybody somehow assumed that Toon Link and Lucario would get the axe (not without reason, might I add), but personally, I never felt that they were too close to the chopping block. Snake, Lucas, Pokemon Trainer, and Wolf are the characters I find most likely to go, and even then, I know Sakurai's going to surprise us.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

Blaziken would make a decent Captain falcon clone funny enough. I believe after the big five, Blaziken would be next, however I just don't see any of the five getting kicked for the bird. With Mario having five hard reps now (and three soft reps) I don't see the problem with pokemon having 5 reps (with the extra +2 poke trainer brings).

As far as the talk about 1st gen representation goes, I don't get this argument at all. I mean it's basically the recency argument or the new vs old argument, which has been proven time again is bogus. Generation 1 love it or hate it, has had more time to develop it's characters and thus has more support generally. Granted, it would be nice to have newer representation such as say Blaziken or Zoroark, but can anyone truly argue that any of the current reps are less important than they were in previous incarnations. Saying we should replace Jiggles or PT with say Zoroark or Blaziken is like saying we should replace Luigi with Bowser Jr.

I mean if you think about it most Hard mario reps are from the old school NES games (excluding Rosalina who could mirror Lucario). However no ever feels that the newer characters (Waluigi, Bowser jr, or Nabbit) should outright replace any of the established characters. Granted comparing Mario and Pokemon isn't the most solid of comparison due to the marketing and build of these games, but there is still truth in the matter.

Oh and Ivysaur is baller, don't let anyone tell you differently.

 

[SmashBro99]

Saying we should replace Jiggles or PT with say Zoroark or Blaziken is like saying we should replace Luigi with Bowser Jr.

Swing and a miss.

 

[Superyoshiom]

At this point, the only must have newcomers we need are Mewtwo and Little Mac. Characters like Ridley, Dixie, and Palutena are nice extras, but I don't mind them beefing the roster up with veterans so far.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Precisely the point. Ness didn't need the defense as omitting him would remove the Mother franchise from the game (unless he kept Lucas, which is entirely irrational), something I doubt Sakurai was intending to do. Captain Falcon has become the face of the series, I would be wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Mario got cut over Captain Falcon, again, cutting Captain Falcon would result in removing F-Zero. Yoshi... really? No one has EVER doubted Yoshi, he has similar immunity to Ness and Captain Falcon as you would remove Yoshi's franchise from the roster. Jigglypuff is the only character that wouldn't remove a franchise from the roster, hence she has more elaborate defenses. Point is, she made it over Mewtwo in Brawl, her low priority isn't necessarily a result of her unpopularity, it has more to do with the notion that she IS easy to develop and add last minute.

If Mother 3 was released internationally, I would have gave thought about Ness being cut.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

Swing and a miss.

what is that even suppose to mean?

Bear down for midterms?

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

At this point, the only must have newcomers we need are Mewtwo and Little Mac. Characters like Ridley, Dixie, and Palutena are nice extras, but I don't mind them beefing the roster up with veterans so far.

Newcomer Wha?

Anyway yeah id be fine with those as newcomers, i dont expect a ton at this point. Just seeing the amount of love they put in the trailers we got for the newcomers we have should show that they arent going to make like 18 of those.

 

[Louie G.]

I never said expected, just that would be my preferred roster. I get you have some grudge against Roy and his supporters but this isn't the place for FE debates.

Sorry if it sounded like I was trying to start something, because I'm not.
It just seems like Roy's popularity has decreased considerably.

 

[Reznor]

Lucario is one of the most popular Pokemon and still used in a ton of advertisement
Toon Link just got an HD remake for the Wii U and has multiple games

why do people say they were likely to get cut

 

[SmashBro99]

what is that even suppose to mean?

Bear down for midterms?

You compared Jiggs and PT's importance to Luigi, what did you expect?

 

[DaDavid]

Lucario is one of the most popular Pokemon and still used in a ton of advertisement
Toon Link just got an HD remake for the Wii U and has multiple games

why do people say they were likely to get cut

This was prior to their reveals, and based on two things I think.

1. The "pattern" of Lucario replacing Mewtwo. This same "logic" was/is used when people say Ike is a likely cut.

2. Clones. People don't like them so that must mean they're going right? Obviously not.

 

[Reznor]

This was prior to their reveals, and based on two things I think.

1. The "pattern" of Lucario replacing Mewtwo. This same "logic" was/is used when people say Ike is a likely cut.

2. Clones. People don't like them so that must mean they're going right? Obviously not.

1. people should know not to follow patterns most people understood this when villager was announced
2. this makes no sense some clones returned

people really need to stop acting like they know what Sakurai is thinking