lack of cuts and what it means for the roster?

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The Pokemon Trainer is still very important, even though the three Pokemon that he uses can easily end up overrepresenting the Pokemon franchise.

The main challenge with handling this matter would be whether or not any of the Pokemon veterans should have their mega evolutions represented. If mega evolutions are treated as a Final Smash moves, they won't count towards the roster amount, though Mega Lucario is probably the only mega evolution who seems to be Final Smash worthy, thanks to its Adaptability ability doubling the power of its Fighting-type and Steel-type attacks.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Excuse my ignorance, but are there really any other notable Pokemon to even compete for a spot other than Blaziken or Zoroark? Nothing in the other generations?

Victini and Genesect both have their fanbases but their popularity pales in comparison to the rest. If we were to get a new Pokemon it would most likely be Zoroark.

 

[Luigi#1]

Jigglypuff seems to be in a bizarre situation, she hasn't been particularly popular or well known in her actual franchise for quite sometime but rather it's her appearances in the smash series that's keeping her alive in the public eye.

Like a veteran would ever be cut. Hahaha.

 

[Deleted member]

Not only to you omit the gimmicks and mechanics that make people steer clear of Pokemon Trainer, but you cut the characters that are only in because Charizard is popular.

But, the only one that isn't popular is Ivysaur.

 

[Morbi]

But, the only one that isn't popular is Ivysaur.

Yes, this is true, I was mostly referencing that Squirtle isn't nearly as popular as his counter-part, Blastoise. I wouldn't even mind Squirtle if they gave him his sunshades.

 

[Kenith]

But, the only one that isn't popular is Ivysaur.

I think Ivysaur is there because he's really similar to Bulbasaur but they wanted to include a Pokemon for each stage.

 

[Shroob]

Cutting Lucas is the same principle of what happens if you cut Lucario. One game in the franchise gets all the rep, which would be cutting out an entire part of Mother's history. While Ness is more popular, sure, Lucas' game is more or less a continuation of Earthbound's plot, and Lucas is arguably just as important as Ness.

 

[Deleted member]

I think Ivysaur is there because he's really similar to Bulbasaur but they wanted to include a Pokemon for each stage.

I know why Ivysaur is there.
It's just that I'm confused as to how Squirtle is only riding on the coattails of Charizard's popularity, when Squirtle itself is popular.

 

[bloodbuzzed]

It's the same scenario with Captain Falcon as well but for whatever reason he always gets a free pass.

I don't care how irrelevant Jiggs becomes in the Pokemon universe... She along with Falcon have become staples of the Smash series.

You don't cut the veterans that have been there since the beginning. Smash just wouldn't be Smash without the pink balloon.

Can I get an -AMEN- to this please!

'Puff will probably never get the respect she deserves as one of the ultimate Smash veterans, from casual to hardcore gamers alike. Even when she was a beast in Melee people talked smack about Jiggs and I find it humorous now. After the backlash from certain Melee vets not getting the okay for Brawl, there's no way in hell Sakurai is cutting a 3/3 Smash champ like Jigglypuff because, while granted she has her detractors, most people would be confused and angry!

Smash and Jigglypuff are synonymous in my eyes. She's not going anywhere, quote me on this if you wish.

 

[The Real Gamer]

But, the only one that isn't popular is Ivysaur.

This... Squirtle is also a fan favorite.

Real talk though what's wrong with the Pokemon series receiving 6 reps?

Pikachu
Jiggs
PT
Lucario
Mewtwo
Zoroark/Genesect/Blazekin

 

[Kenith]

Can I get an -AMEN- to this please!

'Puff will probably never get the respect she deserves as one of the ultimate Smash veterans, from casual to hardcore gamers alike. Even when she was a beast in Melee people talked smack about Jiggs and I find it humorous now. After the backlash from certain Melee vets not getting the okay for Brawl, there's no way in hell Sakurai is cutting a 3/3 Smash champ like Jigglypuff because, while granted she has her detractors, most people would be confused and angry!

Smash and Jigglypuff are synonymous in my eyes. She's not going anywhere, quote me on this if you wish.

"Can I get an -AMEN- to this please!

'Puff will probably never get the respect she deserves as one of the ultimate Smash veterans, from casual to hardcore gamers alike. Even when she was a beast in Melee people talked smack about Jiggs and I find it humorous now. After the backlash from certain Melee vets not getting the okay for Brawl, there's no way in hell Sakurai is cutting a 3/3 Smash champ like Jigglypuff because, while granted she has her detractors, most people would be confused and angry!

Smash and Jigglypuff are synonymous in my eyes. She's not going anywhere, quote me on this if you wish." - bloodbuzzed

 

[Manny Toons]

At this point, it feels like it'd be safe to assume that we aren't getting a Pokemon newcomer. What I would like to happen, is Jigglypuff being removed, as it's so far gone from the spotlight and only continues to be highly recognized through Smash Bros. itself. It kinda hurts to say this though, as Jigglypuff is probably one of my favorite characters to use in Smash Bros. due to her unique physics and aerial attacks.

But regardless, if any Pokemon is to be cut, I think Jigglypuff's the one to go. Jigglypuff could be replaced with Sylveon, a Pokemon that can represent the 6th generation well, as well as the newest type. Its ribbons could work the same way as Ivysaur's vines, so that it's not an awkward quadrupedal fighter.

 

[The Real Gamer]

What I would like to happen, is Jigglypuff being removed, as it's so far gone from the spotlight and only continues to be highly recognized through Smash Bros. itself. It kinda hurts to say this though, as Jigglypuff is probably one of my favorite characters to use in Smash Bros. due to her unique physics and aerial attacks.

So you support Captain Falcon being cut as well?

You people who keep bringing this "relevancy" argument up to slight Jiggs DO realize Falcon hasn't starred in his own game in nearly 10 YEARS right? If it weren't for Smash he'd be nothing but an afterthought at this point.

 

[HammerHappy]

It's the same scenario with Captain Falcon as well but for whatever reason he always gets a free pass.

I don't care how irrelevant Jiggs becomes in the Pokemon universe... She along with Falcon have become staples of the Smash series.

You don't cut the veterans that have been there since the beginning. Smash just wouldn't be Smash without the pink balloon.

This. "Main character" of their respective series and age of said series has nothing to do with anything. These vets are the "main characters" of Smash Bros. Characters like Ice Climbers, Game&Watch, and R.O.B would of remained in obscurity if it wasn't for Smash Bros.

Could you imagine where Starfox would be if it didn't have Smash Bros? He would have had one N64 remake and some obscure hand held game since Assault. It's a series that has been largely neglected. Fox is on the path to end up like the characters listed above (solely existing in Smash Bros in the modern area), and yet for some reason people want to remove Jigglypuff because she's already gone through what the entire Starfox/Fzero series is going through.

 

[Kenith]

At this point, it feels like it'd be safe to assume that we aren't getting a Pokemon newcomer. What I would like to happen, is Jigglypuff being removed, as it's so far gone from the spotlight and only continues to be highly recognized through Smash Bros. itself. It kinda hurts to say this though, as Jigglypuff is probably one of my favorite characters to use in Smash Bros. due to her unique physics and aerial attacks.

But regardless, if any Pokemon is to be cut, I think Jigglypuff's the one to go. Jigglypuff could be replaced with Sylveon, a Pokemon that can represent the 6th generation well, as well as the newest type. Its ribbons could work the same way as Ivysaur's vines, so that it's not an awkward quadrupedal fighter.

I feel like only getting recognition in Smash Bros. is the biggest reason. Regardless of what happens, the Original Twelve stay.

 

[Luigi#1]

If Jigglypuff was cut, that would be a huge surprise to me. Like cutting Captain Falcon, Ness, and, [Gulp], Luigi.
They won't be cut.
It's like removing the Green Ranger.

 

[BindingBlade]

Jigglypuff, unlike C. Falcon, isn't representing a series alone. She is easily the oddest Smash Bros. addition because she never had any major role in anything.

 

[Staarih]

^ Smash Bros. seems to follow the anime more than the games when it comes to Pokémon, and Jigglypuff had a major role at the very start of the tv series... however, that was ages ago. If only they had chosen Meowth instead of her - he would still be very relevant to this day and sort of play the role of a villain/opposite of Pikachu. But no can do.

That said, I think Jigglypuff does not have much to offer anymore, and wouldn't mind seeing her get cut. Then again, I do understand her being one of the original 12 and thus there being a lot of sentimental value to her... but if either PT or Jiggly should be cut, I'd say Jiggly. I do think they both are returning though - I'd just really enjoy a fresh Pokémon-face.

 

[HammerHappy]

This... Squirtle is also a fan favorite.

Real talk though what's wrong with the Pokemon series receiving 6 reps?

Pikachu
Jiggs
PT
Lucario
Mewtwo
Zoroark/Genesect/Blazekin

Pkm Trainer can be seen as three characters in one. Each poke has their own moveset and simply share a down b. That would bring the reps to about 8. What I was saying is that out of those 8, Lucario is easily the weakest. Pikachu is the mascot. Jiggly is a 3x vet. Original starters hold such popularity and influence in that people who barely know Pokemon probably know them. Mewtwo is a vet that is also massively focused on in gen 6. Next gen rep follows the pattern established.


I may be massively underestimating Lucarios popularity, but when did he wield so much sway? He was popular in gen 4, disregarded in 5, and then obtained a megaevo in 6. But beyond his movie (Mewtwo has like, three) I have not noticed that much representation. Perhaps he's used a lot in the show?

The fact that they've added Lucario means that Pkm is either going to have a HUGE amount of reps or that a rep (that I largely feel is more important than Lucario) will get axed to make room.

I have a theory that a megaevo of a vet Poke will replace the next gen rep.

 

[BindingBlade]

^ Smash Bros. seems to follow the anime more than the games when it comes to Pokémon, and Jigglypuff had a major role at the very start of the tv series... however, that was ages ago. If only they had chosen Meowth instead of her - he would still be very relevant to this day and sort of play the role of a villain/opposite of Pikachu. But no can do.

That said, I think Jigglypuff does not have much to offer anymore, and wouldn't mind seeing her get cut. Then again, I do understand her being one of the original 12 and thus there being a lot of sentimental value to her... but if either PT or Jiggly should be cut, I'd say Jiggly. I do think they both are returning though - I'd just really enjoy a fresh Pokémon-face.

Why not cut both and bring in Zoroarch and Charizard or Meowth?

 

[Shroob]

Why not cut both and bring in Zoroarch and Charizard or Meowth?

Zoroark isn't important at ALL to Pokemon anymore to be frank. He had one movie that tried to hype him up as the next Lucario, and it didn't.

 

[Kenith]

So you support Captain Falcon being cut as well?

You people who keep bringing this "relevancy" argument up to slight Jiggs DO realize Falcon hasn't starred in his own game in nearly 10 YEARS right? If it weren't for Smash he'd be nothing but an afterthought at this point.

Exactly. In addition, Jigglypuff appears in every Pokemon game technically, and now it represents the new Fairy type.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't see why there can't be 50 characters.
No cuts + Mewtwo + 14 newcomers.
Plus with Toon Link and Lucario finished I'm sure Sakurai has a lot of time on his hands, since the two were likely lower priority.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Zoroark isn't important at ALL to Pokemon anymore to be frank. He had one movie that tried to hype him up as the next Lucario, and it didn't.

Doesn't mean he can't stop to look at the main factor for every potential newcomer, uniqueness. And he's at least popular enough to be noticed unlike Magikarp and other Pokemon, and Zoroark has alot going for in terms of uniqueness.

^ Smash Bros. seems to follow the anime more than the games when it comes to Pokémon, and Jigglypuff had a major role at the very start of the tv series... however, that was ages ago. If only they had chosen Meowth instead of her - he would still be very relevant to this day and sort of play the role of a villain/opposite of Pikachu. But no can do.

That said, I think Jigglypuff does not have much to offer anymore, and wouldn't mind seeing her get cut. Then again, I do understand her being one of the original 12 and thus there being a lot of sentimental value to her... but if either PT or Jiggly should be cut, I'd say Jiggly. I do think they both are returning though - I'd just really enjoy a fresh Pokémon-face.

Personally, I would cut just PT since he takes the most expense data out of all Pokemon characters.

 

[Louie G.]

Doesn't mean he can't stop to look at the main factor for every potential newcomer, uniqueness. And he's at least popular enough to be noticed unlike Magikarp and other Pokemon, and Zoroark has alot going for in terms of uniqueness.

Zoroark's ability may be hard to implement, but if done right it can certainly be unique.
Personally I prefer Genesect as the 5th gen rep IF we do get one (which I doubt).

 

[BindingBlade]

I'm guessing that Sakura is holding back a Pokèmon rep for the reveal/release of the leaked Pokèmon fighters, whom I actually thought would be Lucario. Blaziken could take Jiggs place? Or perhaps a Pokèmon rep could be omitted to have representation from more series's?

 

[Kenith]

All you guys talking about Jigglypuff getting cut...give it a Rest.

 

[BindingBlade]

All you guys talking about Jigglypuff getting cut...give it a Rest.

Why? It's certainly plausible and even more likely with Lucario staying.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Sakurai can work hard enough to implement Ridley, he will be just as willing to implement Zoroark's illusion ability.

 

[Kenith]

Why? It's certainly plausible and even more likely with Lucario staying.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm guessing that Sakura is holding back a Pokèmon rep for the reveal/release of the leaked Pokèmon fighters, whom I actually thought would be Lucario. Blaziken could take Jiggs place? Or perhaps a Pokèmon rep could be omitted to have representation from more series's?

Neither of those make sense.
If any franchise were to get 5 reps along with Mario, it would be Pokémon.
And Jigglypuff has been around since the beginning. No matter how irrelevant Jiggs may be, we all love her and she isn't going anywhere, especially not for Blaziken.
Pokémon Fighters hasn't even been formally announced yet, so I would be surprised to see it release after SSB4.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Blaziken doesn't really have anything new to offer besides fiery kicks and punches IMO. I don't think it's enough for him to get in.

 

[Louie G.]

Blaziken doesn't really have anything new to offer besides fiery kicks and punches IMO. I don't think it's enough for him to get in.

Captain Falcon does that anyway.
Personally I consider the most likely next Pokémon rep after Mewtwo is Genesect.

 

[Seraphim.]

I think most people would agree that Brawl had a pretty solid roster in comparison to Melee. In fact a lot of Japanese players have been requesting that Sakurai leave the roster be and just add Mewtwo and Roy. Personally I would love to see the Brawl roster untouched with the addition of Mewtwo, the newcomers revealed thus far, and at least Ridley (though I would love the inclusion of Little mac, Lip, and Saki as well). We're getting to that point where the development is getting at it's limits in character implementation anyway (or so from I have read have come to believe) so I'd rather the team focus on building more defined characters and balancing rather than see the roster continually get shaken to keep casuals interested.

Pretty much this, I would be fine with Brawl's roster with no cuts, Mewtwo + Roy and a few more Newcomers.

 

[Louie G.]

Pretty much this, I would be fine with Brawl's roster with no cuts, Mewtwo + Roy and a few more Newcomers.

People still expect Roy?
You're the first person in a while that I've heard that from.

 

[Kenith]

Blaziken doesn't really have anything new to offer besides fiery kicks and punches IMO. I don't think it's enough for him to get in.

I don't support any more bipedal fighter Pokemon (ex. Blaziken, Zoroark, Genesect, the like) because of that reason alone: Too many of them. We've got Lucario and probably Mewtwo, why add another?

 

[BindingBlade]

Neither of those make sense.
If any franchise were to get 5 reps along with Mario, it would be Pokémon.
And Jigglypuff has been around since the beginning. No matter how irrelevant Jiggs may be, we all love her and she isn't going anywhere, especially not for Blaziken.
Pokémon Fighters hasn't even been formally announced yet, so I would be surprised to see it release after SSB4.

Ah, I would think Zelda would get the fifth rep. first, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. I was also under the impression that Jigglypuff was unpopular, but hey, haven't really been here for long.

 

[Louie G.]

Ah, I would think Zelda would get the fifth rep. first, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. I was also under the impression that Jigglypuff was unpopular, but hey, haven't really been here for long.

Welcome!
And Jigglypuff is very popular actually.
We all love the little puffball, and nobody really has any doubt in her return (since she is a staple to the series).
And Pokémon would probably get it over Zelda because there are more unique characters to choose from.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Captain Falcon does that anyway.
Personally I consider the most likely next Pokémon rep after Mewtwo is Genesect.

He's pretty similar to R.O.B. in a sense (Not saying he would be a clone though), Genesect feels like it's been done before. Zoroark has the ability to create illusions, something I don't think not any other character can perform. Could you at least provide a special moves moveset that makes him more distinct than Zoroark's illusion ability.

I don't support any more bipedal fighter Pokemon (ex. Blaziken, Zoroark, Genesect, the like) because of that reason alone: Too many of them. We've got Lucario and probably Mewtwo, why add another?

Because Zoroark offers something completely new to the Smash table.

 

[BindingBlade]

Welcome!
And Jigglypuff is very popular actually.
We all love the little puffball, and nobody really has any doubt in her return (since she is a staple to the series).
And Pokémon would probably get it over Zelda because there are more unique characters to choose from.

Thanks! ^.^
I have to agree about the characters, I just felt Zelda was a bigger franchise. Pokèmon has a limitless amount of options for reps, though.