L-cancel speeds appear to be constants which vary dramatically

[Antomeq]

So I was TASing about with dolphin, when I noticed that captain falcon's aerials have very peculiar L-canceling speeds.

Not only is the L-cancelled animaiton playing at around 4X speed, that speed is varying by a considerable, non-integer amount depending on the aerial.

So I decided to also check what happens when I do not L-cancel..

The landing lag still appears to be reduced? And again with the significant variations in speed, from ~1-3X, none of the integer multipliers.

Does anyone have an explanation for this? My assumption is that every aerial has some decimal or floating point multiplier applied to it.

I also tested some of foxes and ganondorf's aerials to see if there was similar variation, and there is, but I didn't bother making gifs. If you want I can probably make some tomorrow.

Also note that this is TAS, so everything is being performed frame-perfect.

 

[Stratocaster]

You're just looking at the current animation frame. They are non integer normally without l canceling. This is an effect of modifier values being applied later in development giving odd values. It's hard to explain but it has nothing to do with l canceling. Compare to not l canceling your landings and count up the actual frames that pass and it'll be a factor of 2 different.

 

[Antomeq]

In the second GIF, I am not L-canceling my landings. I'm simply assuming it's auto cancelling, because it's still going faster than normal. I edited the OP to clarify this.

You may be right though, the landing lag could be given a rather odd value, which is being doubled by the L-cancel. The fact that the multipliers are in cases so close to whole numbers bewilders me, though.

 

[Yeroc]

@Magus420

I think what's happening is that the animations are all the same length or close to it (~30 frames seems to be a common number for landing animations) and the landlag values are set by character attribute (this is how it works in Brawl). Then the L-cancel mechanic doubles the rate that the animation plays, which was already a non-whole number because of the attribute.

 

[hectohertz]

yeah most of the people here got it correct. "normal" animations don't necessarily play at 1X speed, each animation plays at a different speed (this was likely done so that they could tweak speeds of animations later in development without having to redo the whole animation). this is accomplished via a multiplier. you'll notice that the frame-counter is a 32-bit float.

l-cancelling just doubles the multiplier for the landing animation. auto-cancelling causes the normal (as if you landed without doing an aerial) landing animation to play

 

[Antomeq]

Thanks for the informative comments, guys. I guess I didn't expect them to apply different speeds to the landing animations, especially considering the game mostly has a locked framerate!