KSSU: Revenge of Meta Knight Mafia - Game Over! Has Dreamland been conquered!?

[th3kuzinator]

I don't get the point of you trying to call for my lynch so early when we have barely heard from anyone else. *shrug* Guess it's me.

Kuzi, as I said in my #76, if you want more explanation, push it instead of just saying "No." It doesn't help anyone. =3

I don't even know what you mean by "push it instead of just saying No."

 

[#HBC | J]

Why are you assuming I am going off of Tiger meta? In general, scum players would be more cautious about offering blatant friendships to everyone. I don't think Tiger would have done that had he been scum.

He's basing his read off your scum meta why we both know is pretty reliable.

The bolded is a logical fallacy. Generalization doesn't work all the time duder.

So you do see his reasoning is full of a weak statement such as meta? ^_^ Playing strictly by meta/gut is not smart at all haha.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't even know what you mean by "push it instead of just saying No."

You keep saying "No, you didn't refute it."

I said, "If you have a point you want me to explain ask instead of just saying 'No.'".

You say, "No."

You keep not reading and we keep having this circular discussion.

 

[th3kuzinator]

The bolded is a logical fallacy. Generalization doesn't work all the time duder.

So you do see his reasoning is full of a weak statement such as meta? ^_^ Playing strictly by meta/gut is not smart at all haha.

Since when have you become Dark Horse 2.0? This is a dumb argument anyway, are you really trying to refute my town read on someone? Are you bothered that I am clearing tiger?

Meta is a starting point and not a solid argument in itself, yes. He's on the right track at least.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You keep saying "No, you didn't refute it."

I said, "If you have a point you want me to explain ask instead of just saying 'No.'".

You say, "No."

You keep not reading and we keep having this circular discussion.

Uhg why are you making this a formal debate?

Explain how my 64 has anything to do with the 5 words you listed in your 66. You should have known this is what I meant anyway.

 

[#HBC | J]

DH 2.0? I take offense to that. Kuzi, it is a generalization that you are using to clear Tiger. I am not trying to refute your town read on Tiger but instead question how you are reaching that. It seems fake. I am not bothered in the slightest that you are clearing Tiger. =D I think he is town as well.

Meta shouldn't even be a starting point. It should be sprinkled a bit throughout an argument if at all because it is circumstantial evidence that cannot be proven.

 

[th3kuzinator]

DH 2.0? I take offense to that. Kuzi, it is a generalization that you are using to clear Tiger. I am not trying to refute your town read on Tiger but instead question how you are reaching that. It seems fake. I am not bothered in the slightest that you are clearing Tiger. =D I think he is town as well.

From my mafia experience scum players usually do not casually buddy half the player list as it brings them too much attention. Ballsy scum players might do it, but I don't think Tiger would have.

Why do you think he's town, since you call my reasoning fabricated.

 

[#HBC | J]

Uhg why are you making this a formal debate?

Explain how my 64 has anything to do with the 5 words you listed in your 66. You should have known this is what I meant anyway.

This is formal? Man then I am having fuuuun being formal about things for once hahahaha.

Kay, I'm gonna show you one thing about each.

Fluffy, Contradicting, Ad-Hominems, Contorting, and Denial.

#64 in a nut-shell.

You're the one who is reaching now, not me. I honestly don't see where you are coming up with me trying to discredit you. I am not belittling you or your playstyle to refute your points, I am just refuting them. I never said that your earlier post this game was a scum-tell, it just reminded me of scumJ meta. Gheb told me I was reaching with the point, and I found the quote from your other game that it reminded me of. Anyone with half a brain would have recognized that it was certainly a weak argument and more an observation than anything else, hence why I didn't use it as a basis for a push. I also don't see how me highlighting that specific part of the quote was an attempt to intimidate you.

I was curious about the intent behind the post and I was satisfied with her answer. I wasn't contorting what she said in the slightest. The bolded is an attempt to phrase it in such a way to make my questioning look malicious. Reaching.

Feeling pretty cozy on here.

Fluffy - Your entire first paragraph could be liquidated since quite a few of the sentences are the same but in different variations.

Contradicting - if it reminds you of scumJ meta, it is a scum-slip lol.

Ad-hominems - Pink line.

Contorting - Red lines. (1) You completely make up that point because I haven't even mentioned my playstyle this game yet. (2) You try and mimic me *could add this to ad-hominem* and say I am reaching when I wasn't.

Denial - You deny that you are discrediting me (which you still are) and sully my points with little jabs like the "DH 2.0 and your arguments are weak/reaching." You deny trying to intimidate me with the defensive line.

I mean that's just from a glance. I have more points now after looking at it more in depth but meh. This is satisfactory till you do better for me.

 

[#HBC | J]

From my mafia experience scum players usually do not casually buddy half the player list as it brings them too much attention. Ballsy scum players might do it, but I don't think Tiger would have.

Why do you think he's town, since you call my reasoning fabricated.

Tiger hasn't been buddying half the cast so far. He has buddied myself, beat and Tanny. You are overexaggerating what Tiger is doing~. Your view of Tiger can be proven wrong just by one person disagreeing. Tiger can be a ballsy player.

I think he is town because he is actively asking questions, putting his vote where he believes would be the best place and maintaing good relationships with a good amount of people. I mean it's not enough to solidfy anything buuuut I like Tiger atm. Leaning Townish with him.

 

[#HBC | J]

Tiger, would you classify yourself as a ballsy mafia player or more of a wallflower mafia player?

 

[TigerWoods]

To be honest, IDK I've never played as mafia knowingly in a previous game.

 

[#HBC | J]

You, Tandora and probably Glyph are town.

I also wanna ask you something Kuzi. Why do you sound so concrete with your Tiger/Tanny reads by saying "they ARE town."? How can you have such a solid read so early on? I misread it at first because I thought you said probably to all of them but apparantly it's just Glyph.

 

[TigerWoods]

But I'd like to think I'm a balsy person! :D *strokes ego

 

[#HBC | J]

To be honest, IDK I've never played as mafia knowingly in a previous game.

Fair enough. Maybe that's because you should play more!

 

[#HBC | J]

But I'd like to think I'm a balsy person! :D *strokes ego

*stifles inside joke and laughter*

I agree with you being a ballsy player with what I have seen of you in NBC mafia. Especially you telling me all your plans.

 

[TigerWoods]

Ok, now that we have confirmed I indeed have testicles...

Lemonade, JTB...

Are we civil or hostile? MORE TALKING!

 

[th3kuzinator]

Was talking with some guests downstairs.

Fluffy - Your entire first paragraph could be liquidated since quite a few of the sentences are the same but in different variations.

Bull****. I went sentence by sentence responding to each of your points so none of that liquidation is applicable.

Contradicting - if it reminds you of scumJ meta, it is a scum-slip lol.

You just contradicted yourself in labeling my point contradictory. That's actually amazing. Resembling scum meta is not the same as a scum slip by any means. There is an obvious difference between the degree of severity. I'll remind you that you said here:

So you do see his reasoning is full of a weak statement such as meta?

You say meta is a weak reasoning to attack someone yet you say scum meta and scum slips are indistinguishable.

I think a quote from Tandora is applicable.

I SAID GOOD DAY SIR.

Ad-hominems - Pink line.

I'll give you that. Buy you've been dropping in plenty of those towards me this game so its well deserved.

Contorting - Red lines. (1) You completely make up that point because I haven't even mentioned my playstyle this game yet. (2) You try and mimic me *could add this to ad-hominem* and say I am reaching when I wasn't.

You accused me of trying to discredit you and I responded that I was just refuting your points. You're second point doesn't make sense at all.

Denial - You deny that you are discrediting me (which you still are) and sully my points with little jabs like the "DH 2.0 and your arguments are weak/reaching." You deny trying to intimidate me with the defensive line.

At that point in the game I had not been discrediting you and saying so is reaching on your part. You've attacked me little jabs just as much as I have these past few pages so don't bother with the moral highground crap. If you honestly felt intimidated by my bolding of your quote then I don't know what to say.[/quote]

Tiger hasn't been buddying half the cast so far. He has buddied myself, beat and Tanny. You are overexaggerating what Tiger is doing~. Your view of Tiger can be proven wrong just by one person disagreeing. Tiger can be a ballsy player.

And asked countless others "friend or foe?" You forget that there are only 9 players. Pretty much half the cast.

also wanna ask you something Kuzi. Why do you sound so concrete with your Tiger/Tanny reads by saying "they ARE town."? How can you have such a solid read so early on? I misread it at first because I thought you said probably to all of them but apparantly it's just Glyph.

Well that's a dumb question. I'm confident in my reads and I have no problem stating the ones I have confidence in. Stop trying to pick apart my diction, literally getting us nowhere.

@J: What do you think about Glyph and Gheb?

@Tiger: Buddying aside, what are your current reads?

@Bean & JTB: Thoughts on J?

Enough out of me for now. Going out for the evening, will probably post again by monday if not by tomorrow night.

 

[Gova]

 

[Beat!]

Sorry, Tiger, but I won't vote Kuz with you. I happen to think that he's town.

I really don't like J's initial attempts to brush off everything Kuz directed at him.

J, how is "maintaining a friendly relationship with most people" a town read, when "buddying half the cast" isn't? You mentioned the former, but didn't accept that Kuz said the latter.

J and HL looking like good lynches.

 

[#HBC | J]

Bull****. I went sentence by sentence responding to each of your points so none of that liquidation is applicable.

You really cannot deny the fluffing point since it is there in black and white. =P

You just contradicted yourself in labeling my point contradictory. That's actually amazing. Resembling scum meta is not the same as a scum slip by any means. There is an obvious difference between the degree of severity. I'll remind you that you said here:

You say meta is a weak reasoning to attack someone yet you say scum meta and scum slips are indistinguishable.

I think a quote from Tandora is applicable.

Wow you twisted my words so well that I had to go back and actually double check. How is resembling scum-meta not a scum-slip lol? "You look like how you look as scum.....town tell." Do you get what I'm getting at? What is the obvious difference? You avoided the point to continue into the redirection of trying to make it look like I am being contradictory.

Kay mr. twisty. Those are two very, very different things. Meta is weak reasoning. However let's look what Glyph was doing. He kept saying that I was scum because I resembled scum meta, therefore me matching my scum meta is a scum-slip which earned me his vote (off of one post, my intro post, mind you). You even agreed to Glyph and think he is correct. I never once said the word "indistinguishable". Now who's twisting Diction? Just because I say meta is a weak attack doesn't mean that you can't use it (since you are now). You are pointing out that I match scum-meta which in reality means it's a scum-slip to you, that means you are using meta, which in the end is weak.

You twisted my words soooo hard it gave me a headache trying to explain myself. ;_; I hope you feel good.

I'll give you that. Buy you've been dropping in plenty of those towards me this game so its well deserved.

Not really. The one I have dropped is the caliber and maybe you could say the temper but otherwise I've been cordial. Also let's not play who started what....you'll lose. =P

You accused me of trying to discredit you and I responded that I was just refuting your points. You're second point doesn't make sense at all.

You didn't even respond correctly to the first sentence. Second point makes clear sense. Please read.

At that point in the game I had not been discrediting you and saying so is reaching on your part. You've attacked me little jabs just as much as I have these past few pages so don't bother with the moral highground crap. If you honestly felt intimidated by my bolding of your quote then I don't know what to say. And asked countless others "friend or foe?" You forget that there are only 9 players. Pretty much half the cast.

You had been by saying I am matching scum-meta. How is that not discrediting someone already? I am not reaching as well. You over-exaggerate what I have done when you have been more frontal with the ad-hominems but I am gonna drop this point because it is pretty much a "No you are wrong, No you are wrong. No stfu." I am not playing a moral highground buuut man you just keep chipping away. =3c Kuzi, tell me why you asked if I was feeling defensive? What was the point of it? How did I forget there were 9 players? I literally made a post today saying I love the fact. Whatever, I digress at this statment.

Well that's a dumb question. I'm confident in my reads and I have no problem stating the ones I have confidence in. Stop trying to pick apart my diction, literally getting us nowhere.

I'm not picking apart your diction but I seriously cannot see how you can be so confident over something like those pretty weak telling posts. And no, it has gotten us somewhere. ^^

@J: What do you think about Glyph and Gheb?

I really have nothing to say on either since I could care less about them at the moment.

 

[Beat!]

Beat: Its based off one post that was intended to end RVS and the fact that its a three headed hydra, which should be irrelevant since the hydra is actually made of upper level players.

Idc about it being a hydra. Do you, too, think that lynching the person you know the least is a good idea?

 

[#HBC | J]

I really don't like J's initial attempts to brush off everything Kuz directed at him.

J, how is "maintaining a friendly relationship with most people" a town read, when "buddying half the cast" isn't? You mentioned the former, but didn't accept that Kuz said the latter.

J and HL looking like good lynches.

Beat, you aren't even reading, I haven't brushed off Kuzi. I have openly refused his bad posts unless asked to extrapolate, I have nothing to explain lol. What do you think of Kuzi's having to delve very deep into everything I say if you have a problem with my apparant "brushing"?

Second line makes no sense. You are strawmanning.

How in the world is HL a good lynch lol?

 

[#HBC | J]

Idc about it being a hydra. Do you, too, think that lynching the person you know the least is a good idea?

Quit delving on that horrendous point. Do something more productive.

 

[Beat!]

Be quiet. I'll hold on to that point until HL gives me a reasonable answer.

 

[#HBC | J]

Be quiet. I'll hold on to that point until HL gives me a reasonable answer.

What do you hope to gain from that? It was a gesture to get us out of RVS. He even put the disclaimer in there. Glyph even told you this in his quote.

Tell me what you are gonna get from asking this.

 

[TigerWoods]

@kuz

J: Though I don't agree with everything he is doing, I do get a town vibe for now. He seems to be this way as townie... He's actively participating as well... And I like that for D1 play.
Glyph: Not responded to me yet
Jtb, Gheb, Lemonade: null for now
Beatstick: Civil... Which means good. I like his analysis play so far. Town
Tandy: Insufficient feelings.
Kuz: Hmm I did not like your earlier play but you are handling the arguments J has sent you somewhat well lately. Convince me to vote another way. And if you think we should vote out J, who do you think should go besides J?

 

[Beat!]

What do you hope to gain from that? It was a gesture to get us out of RVS. He even put the disclaimer in there. Glyph even told you this in his quote.

Tell me what you are gonna get from asking this.

He claimed that they wanted to lynch Tiger for reasons explained. Why would they joke about that if they wanted to get out of RVS?

Why are you so dead set on getting me to drop that point?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm getting the vibes that Beat/Glyph aren't on the same scumteam atm.

Tiger, could you go into more detail with your Beat read. I don't get what you are getting at at all. I agree with your thoughts on kuzi btw that he is responding wellish. Except that massive twisting but I could see Kuzi do that on a normal basis.

 

[#HBC | J]

He claimed that they wanted to lynch Tiger for reasons explained. Why would they joke about that if they wanted to get out of RVS?

Why are you so dead set on getting me to drop that point?

They would joke about it because they would, lol I honestly don't know how to respond to that question.

I'm not dead set on anything, I am saying it's better for your own benefit if you drop it.

 

[Beat!]

J, please answer my #99.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, please answer my #99.

I did. Check my 102, it even has questions for you in it! =D

 

[Beat!]

Why do you care about my own "benefit"? Do you think I'm town?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh dear. You didn't get it. Pity.

I'm impartial to you atm.

 

[Beat!]

I did. Check my 102, it even has questions for you in it! =D

Oh yeah, I missed it. Sec.

 

[TigerWoods]

@ J I mean I like how he is taking what is said an interpreting it in his own way... And hes friendly to me... which makes me double happy. He gets a town label for the time being.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh alright, I just didn't get the being analytical part but if you are speaking like that then yea I guess I can agree.

 

[Beat!]

Beat, you aren't even reading, I haven't brushed off Kuzi. I have openly refused his bad posts unless asked to extrapolate, I have nothing to explain lol. What do you think of Kuzi's having to delve very deep into everything I say if you have a problem with my apparant "brushing"?

Second line makes no sense. You are strawmanning.

How in the world is HL a good lynch lol?

I think delving deep into things can be an effective way of getting discussion going early on.
Refusing to respond to something just because you think it's bad is just plain unhelpful.

Second line makes perfect sense. You didn't agree with Kuz when he said that Tiger buddying a lot was a town tell, but when listing your own reasons, you said the exact same thing, only worded differently.

HL is a good lynch until he gives me a satisfying answer.

 

[TigerWoods]

Glyphy poo... Stop ignoring me... You're making tiger sad

Are we enemies?

 

[Beat!]

Oh dear. You didn't get it. Pity.

I'm impartial to you atm.

Lmao

dat high horse

 

[#HBC | J]

I think delving deep into things can be an effective way of getting discussion going early on.
Refusing to respond to something just because you think it's bad is just plain unhelpful.

Really they are both on the same spectrum, some people say going too into detail is scummy while others are of the other thought that saying too little is scummy.

Well, if I don't think it's gonna go anywhere nor be helpful then why respond? There is no point.

Second line makes perfect sense. You didn't agree with Kuz when he said that Tiger buddying a lot was a town tell, but when listing your own reasons, you said the exact same thing, only worded differently.

OH! Wow I like this alot. Haha. I misread but okay..yea..now I get it xD. Good response. I was wrong there, good point out.

HL is a good lynch until he gives me a satisfying answer.

*sigh*