KO percentage

[Son1x-]

Well today I tested the precentage needed for various moves to KO.

I used Mario on the middle of FD, without DI. I counted it when Mario got KO'd on the side. (or star KO). I also forgot few attacks. Dash, ledge, get up attack and glide attack. Will update this once I try them. (I won't mind if someone else does it though )

Heres the list:
Some attacks have better knockback when hit closeby, and weaker when hit further, hence the two numbers. The ones with (*) are Star KO's. I haven't tried over 350 on certain moves. All smashes are uncharged as well.

Forwardsmash:
120% - 121%

Downsmash:
133% - 150% (in front)
193% - 236% (*) (behind)

Upsmash :
130% - 143% (*)


Forward tilt:
155%

Down tilt:
206% (*)

Up tilt:
237% (*)

Dash attack:
141% - 185% (*)
175% (if you start to dash attack inside him or very close to him) (*)

AAA:
Does not kill under 350%


Neutral air:
~280%

Forward air:
159% - 171%

Back air
100% (sweetspoted)
300% (without sweetspot)

Down air:
145% (*)
165% if the target is in front (farthest possible) (*)
178% if the target is behind (farthest possible)

Up air:
172%

Glide attack:
130% (*)


Up throw:
201% (*)

Forward throw:
212%

Back throw:
~300%

Down throw:
Does not kill under 350%


Ledge attack:
Does not kill under 350%

Get up attack:
Does not kill under 350%

Fully Charged Arrow:
294%



edit: added glide, dash, get up and ledge attack.

 

[CorruptFate]

It looks right, but were these moves degraded at all? I don't think so but just checking.

 

[Son1x-]

Well I did all this on training, so nope, fresh moves.

 

[Hayang]

Useful. The numbers indeed look right too. Thank you Son1x!

We should complete this by including DI and stuff.

 

[Afropony]

Doesn't Training mode affect knockback somehow?
That's why people do there testing in actual brawls.

 

[CorruptFate]

Moves don't degrade in Training mode.

 

[Son1x-]

Just added glide, ledge, get up and dash attack

 

[kupo15]

i thought I read somewhere that the knockback in training mode is different Like it may not degrade, but it isn't the freshest

 

[Son1x-]

Hmm, I never heard about that. I'll try doing it in group brawl some time soon.

 

[Coffee™]

Moves kill slightly faster in vs mode than they do in training mode.

Also I find it fairly funny how people list Ftilt as a decent kill move at higer percentages, yet never realised that Usmash kills faster = p

 

[CorruptFate]

Its cause ^ smash is easier to DI.

 

[kown]

hey doesnt f tilt kill differently depending on how far away you are from your opponent? same with fsmash, dsmash

 

[CorruptFate]

Fsmash has a tipper on the second hit, I don't know if it knocks them any farther. Dsmash can hit 2 times if space it right. But other then that I haven't seen a real difference in the knock back.

 

[Undrdog]

Not sure if this was mentioned but Training Mode is especially gay. It doesn't play at all like normal versus matches do. I initially thought this just applied to stale moves but it is a completely different game it would seem.

 

[ChokE]

I think up smash is one of Pit's worse killing move. I think is kinda miss represented in the data. Does any1 uses the up smash for the kill? I only use up smash on heavy characters.

 

[Son1x-]

I only use it when I don't play any serious matches or on big target with a slide.

 

[sagemoon]

This thread is more detrimental than helpful. Every character has different weights first off, so characters like Dedede will be KO'd at a later percent. 2nd, people will always DI, thus removing accuracy of the thread. And 3rd, moves will degrade.

It's nice that you put this thread together, but I think it will give people the wrong idea of when to use the attacks. Theres too many variables to actually put together an accurate list.

 

[Admiral Pit]

This is generally true, don't expect to be KOing a Bowser early unless you know special ways to KO your opponent and their character.