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You guys are aware that since K. Rool would probably be a Mighty Glacier, no one would like him, since Mighty Glaciers always suck in Smash. The same fate befell characters popular in their home series like Mewtwo, Charizard, Ganondorf, Bowser, Link...

That's a big reason why I lean more towards Dixie (plus she was actually originally planned to be in Brawl and has appeared in a very recent game).
 
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More good news guys (well, kinda), Grant responded to my tweet saying that David Wise is already great where he is again at doing DKC's music at Retro but that he'd be willing to return to voice DK again if they paid him well(which I'm sure they would).

https://twitter.com/grantkirkhope/status/556722475447242752

That being said, I already tweeted Retro Studios if they could bring him back as well other than the kremlings.
 
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More good news guys (well, kinda), Grant responded to my tweet saying that David Wise is already great where he is again at doing DKC's music at Retro but that he'd be willing to return to voice DK again if they paid him well(which I'm sure they would).

https://twitter.com/grantkirkhope/status/556722475447242752

That being said, I already tweeted Retro Studios if they could bring him back as well other than the kremlings.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if anyone related to Retro teased K. Rool.
 

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You guys are aware that since K. Rool would probably be a Mighty Glacier, no one would like him, since Mighty Glaciers always suck in Smash. The same fate befell characters popular in their home series like Mewtwo, Charizard, Ganondorf, Bowser, Link...

That's a big reason why I lean more towards Dixie (plus she was actually originally planned to be in Brawl and has appeared in a very recent game).
Firstly, Link or Mewtwo aren't Mighty Glaciers. Link's more a Jack of all Trades and he fits into any role you use him in, and Mewtwo is more of a Glass Cannon in that he hits hard, but gets knocked around easily.

Now with those two out of the way, considering the positive reaction Bowser had in this game in terms of both reception and competitive viability, it's pretty apparent that the idea that all Mighty Glaciers are doomed to suck and be unliked doesn't hold true. The second part especially doesn't hold true as Ganondorf gets flack for a different reason (that he barely draws from his home series), and Charizard maintains a good amount of popularity.
 
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Firstly, Link or Mewtwo aren't Mighty Glaciers. Link's more a Jack of all Trades and he fits into any role you use him in, and Mewtwo is more of a Glass Cannon in that he hits hard, but gets knocked around easily.

Now with those two out of the way, considering the positive reaction Bowser had in this game in terms of both reception and competitive viability, it's pretty apparent that the idea that all Mighty Glaciers are doomed to suck and be unliked doesn't hold true. The second part especially doesn't hold true as Ganondorf gets flack for a different reason (that he barely draws from his home series), and Charizard maintains a good amount of popularity.
I've always kicked butt with Bowser and DK, and I seem to be really good with Charizard and King Dededede, so the idea of all heavyweights being doomed to suck is irrelevant.
 

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You guys are aware that since K. Rool would probably be a Mighty Glacier, no one would like him, since Mighty Glaciers always suck in Smash. The same fate befell characters popular in their home series like Mewtwo, Charizard, Ganondorf, Bowser, Link...

That's a big reason why I lean more towards Dixie (plus she was actually originally planned to be in Brawl and has appeared in a very recent game).
Characters only suck if you can't play them well.

This statement is so full of inaccuracies, bias, false judgements and patently untrue claims that I'm not even sure where to start.
 

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Really it comes down to skill when determining the good-ness or bad-ness of a character as far as viability. Yes, some characters have advantages over others, like Jiggs being able to chase Little Mac off the stage and K.O. him fairly easily if he's not careful, but then Mac has the launching power to quickly overpower Jigglypuff if the Jiggs player doesn't know how to avoid his attacks.

Every character has ups and downs, and it's up to the player to know the ups and downs of their character and play accordingly.

K. Rool would inevitably be a heavyweight, and ideally he would utilize many projectiles. So he'd probably have good keep-away game complemented by good grabs/throws, decent yet short-range physicals, and sub-par to terrible air game to compensate. In my mind, anyway.
 

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You guys are aware that since K. Rool would probably be a Mighty Glacier, no one would like him, since Mighty Glaciers always suck in Smash. The same fate befell characters popular in their home series like Mewtwo, Charizard, Ganondorf, Bowser, Link...

That's a big reason why I lean more towards Dixie (plus she was actually originally planned to be in Brawl and has appeared in a very recent game).
Character balance is largely just Sakurai throwing darts at a board. Remember when he claimed Samus was the "strongest" character during testing?

Even if we had a clearer way of predicting character balance, why not support the characters for themselves, rather than because you can win specific competitive scenarios with them? I'd personally rather have a really fun heavyweight villain to pit against the other Kutthroats here, rather than another fast, light combo-oriented character to win tournaments I'll probably never attend (this wouldn't necessarily be Dixie, just in general).

(I do agree heavyweights are really poorly balanced in general. . .like, there's such a great fear about being "broken" that, if a character is strong and heavy, they absolutely have to be horrible everywhere else. Which is crazy, because they're already stuck with a crippling enough weakness as it is, being a massive walking punching bag).
 

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Keep in mind that in the E3 build, Samus was a powerful character. Screw Attack alone could KO opponents at 90% and she actually had some deadly combo capabilities. The final product essentially nerfed her. So at the time back in June the statement of "Samus being the strongest" was not exactly a false statement.
 
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Keep in mind that in the E3 build, Samus was a powerful character. Screw Attack alone could KO opponents at 90% and she actually had some deadly combo capabilities. The final product essentially nerfed her. So at the time back in June the statement of "Samus being the strongest" was not exactly a false statement.
Bowser was pretty powerful in the E3 build, too. Now it seems that they hype for "Awesome Bowser" has worn off immensely.
 
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You guys are aware that since K. Rool would probably be a Mighty Glacier, no one would like him, since Mighty Glaciers always suck in Smash. The same fate befell characters popular in their home series like Mewtwo, Charizard, Ganondorf, Bowser, Link...

That's a big reason why I lean more towards Dixie (plus she was actually originally planned to be in Brawl and has appeared in a very recent game).
who cares, i'm sure we will all play him regardless of how good he is, its the character were after, we want to see all his greatness be playable in hd.
 
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K.Rool being low tier means one thing: It'll be more satisfying to beat someone as K.Rool.
Besides, isn't a game supposed to be, you know, fun? I loved playing as Ike in Brawl because of how fun it felt to knock people with Ragnell, I imagine K.Rool would be no different
 

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K.Rool being low tier means one thing: It'll be more satisfying to beat someone as K.Rool.
Besides, isn't a game supposed to be, you know, fun? I loved playing as Ike in Brawl because of how fun it felt to knock people with Ragnell, I imagine K.Rool would be no different
I already love the feel of dropkicking people and sending them flying as Bowser or sending them on their way with King Dedede's rocket hammer move.
 
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My favorite heavy weights by far are :4dk::4myfriends::4ganondorf::4samus:. I think I will have no problem with playing King K.Rool.
 

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Guys, I'm so psyched right now, Retro Studios just followed me on twitter. They must've liked my idea of bringing back Grant Kirkhope to voice DK. xD
 

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...You know what? I'll try get DKCR on the Wii U thing(Europeans get that instead Punch Out)
Way to rub it in since we North Americans don't even have the original Donkey Kong Country or Donkey Kong Land games over here. Lol jk, at least the Wii games on the e-shop cost more less than they do if you were to purchase them at a local retail store.
 

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I already have Returns. I tried re-playing it recently, but, I dunno, I felt kinda bored while playing it. Honestly, I actually wanted to go back and play Hyrule Warriors again. Its really weird...

Maybe I've just played too much Donkey Kong in the past year. I do need to get back and fix my DK Land fifth video because it wouldn't import into my editing program, but I've been too damn busy to do anything...
 

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Sorry bout bombing this thing the past few days but I'm getting increasingly excited about it as I go. I've more or less finished K. Rool's face. Might be going to enlarge his right pupil (the smaller one) a notch and I'm gonna look into adding a scale texture to him where applicable but... save for the crown he looks mostly done. He looks better from an overall standpoint- looking at the image as a whole but I wanted to show a quick comparison of my last version to current. (I've darkened part of him to make him pop a little more. Especially with the eyes.)



If you've got any comments or critique let me hear them, please. This is the last part I've worked K. Rool wise. I need to finish the arm and his missing foreleg and that should be him overall.

And sorry for spamming, it's just this is the best K. Rool I've drawn in years. I'm so happy about it.
 
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Keep in mind that in the E3 build, Samus was a powerful character. Screw Attack alone could KO opponents at 90% and she actually had some deadly combo capabilities. The final product essentially nerfed her. So at the time back in June the statement of "Samus being the strongest" was not exactly a false statement.
Indeed. Of course, keep in mind that the reason "Samus is the strongest character" came up was because none of the 16 pro Smash players, including one Samus main, chose her for the invitational after testing the game, and Sakurai was expressing his surprise. Mainly because of the focus on FFAs during balance, there's dissonance between the characters competitive players and the developers perceive as "strong."

This talk about K. Rool being inevitably low tier reminds me of people talking about how Mewtwo shouldn't come back because he was bad in Melee. Didn't stop the backlash from his cut and him from being the biggest request this time around.
 
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That's awesome to see Richard Yearwood the voice of DK from the DKC tv show retweet a post of mine. :)

https://twitter.com/Kanenite90/status/557257297094017025
Jesus, even Donkey Kong cares for his nemesis. :)

This talk about K. Rool being inevitably low tier reminds me of people talking about how Mewtwo shouldn't come back because he was bad in Melee. Didn't stop the backlash from his cut and him from being the biggest request this time around.
I don't think anyone should care if the character they want in Smash/want to play ends up being low tier. That's a stupid thing to argue.
 
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I don't think anyone should care if the character they want in Smash/want to play ends up being low tier. That's a stupid thing to argue.
Even if they do, I don't really care. I played Melee Bowser/Mewtwo/Ness/G&W and Brawl Bowser/Falcon/Ganon/Link for long enough to not really be bothered by it. I'd rather play a low tier character I like than a top tier one I don't like or am indifferent to.
 
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Why would someone want the character they want in Smash to be "top-tier" anyway? It would just end up getting them made fun of because they "need a good character to win" or something. I get the feeling Meta Knight hopefuls weren't exactly thrilled when he was added in Brawl and became the object of ridicule because of how good he was.
 

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Why would someone want the character they want in Smash to be "top-tier" anyway? It would just end up getting them made fun of because they "need a good character to win" or something. I get the feeling Meta Knight hopefuls weren't exactly thrilled when he was added in Brawl and became the object of ridicule because of how good he was.
When I first saw Meta Knight in Brawl I thought "Oh goodie, Meta Knight's playable! he's a cool guy! He's also fun to play as, and I keep winning too!" Then I discovered tier lists and felt guilty about using him
 

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Tiers don't really matter to me that much, besides, I don't play with "tiers" or "reps", I play with characters. So I'd play K. Rool regardless of what tier he ends up in.
 
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Even though I don't main him, it is sad to see people ripping into Diddy and talking about how much they hate him because of Smash. And it's not even just because he's a dominant character. . .on places like Reddit, people come out of the woodwork when competitive frustration with him comes up to talk about how "they've always hated that stupid monkey" or "he's annoying and has a poor 90's design." Come on.
 

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Even though I don't main him, it is sad to see people ripping into Diddy and talking about how much they hate him because of Smash. And it's not even just because he's a dominant character. . .on places like Reddit, people come out of the woodwork when competitive frustration with him comes up to talk about how "they've always hated that stupid monkey" or "he's annoying and has a poor 90's design." Come on.
They can be as mad as they want. Doesn't stop the Diddy train. If they hated him already, getting beat by him is a fitting punishment.

I'm not great with Diddy, but I sure like using him.
 
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I do strongly dislike fighting Diddy, but that doesn't stop me from liking him as a character. Same with Sonic and Little Mac.
Heck, Diddy's probably my second favorite Kong after the beast known as Chunky Kong. (WHY ISN'T HE AN ASSIST HNNNG)
 
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You know, I was thinking just now.. Wheren't some characters movesets also created, or at least watched over by their restrictive companies? Sakurai commented before that The Pokemon Company basically had a lot of saying how their characters should fight. I think Intelligent Systems also has some saying about their characters. Nintendo EAD probably helps with Mario and Zelda characters. So instead of asking Sakurai for King K.Rool why shouldn't we ask for Retro Studios to make K.Rool in Smash? Take Lord Frederick as a base if you must. I think they could make that happen.
 

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Diddy is awesome, sure he may not be that great when using him online against other players but I'm pretty good at beating my friends locally using him, plus I just love the character. I love his design (including all the kong and kremling characters back then) and his personality, the high mickey mouse chimp voice will always be my favorite of him too as that seems the most iconic to me. People who hate him are just jealous, all the more reason to beat them as him even more.
 

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Even though I don't main him, it is sad to see people ripping into Diddy and talking about how much they hate him because of Smash. And it's not even just because he's a dominant character. . .on places like Reddit, people come out of the woodwork when competitive frustration with him comes up to talk about how "they've always hated that stupid monkey" or "he's annoying and has a poor 90's design." Come on.
All the more reason why a Diddy Kong Racing 2 should happen.

At least most of us are smart enough to see why Diddy is such an amazing character. His portfolio alone should tell them he is x1000000 better than the average poochie/scrappy doo and sidekick stereotypes. Most people on Reddit are just jealous that he actually has a girlfriend.
 
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Diddy is awesome in Smash. Loved him in Brawl, and just the in this game. He plays so fluidly, and is extremely versatile. Extremely strong , has a lot of options, and his mobilty on the ground is amazing. Love the way how you can string combos with him, wouldn't ever main another character even if K.Rool, Isaac and Impa make it in. But I'll still play the heck out of them anyway.
 
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I left a comment on a diddy hate thread on reddit saying why would you hate him, he is an awesome little monkey with a sweet nintendo cap that just wants to be like his uncle donkey kong. competitive players forget that these things you play as in smash are actually characters, the only hate characters because they get beaten by them
 

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I left a comment on a diddy hate thread on reddit saying why would you hate him, he is an awesome little monkey with a sweet nintendo cap that just wants to be like his uncle donkey kong. competitive players forget that these things you play as in smash are actually characters, the only hate characters because they get beaten by them
ROB kind of suffers this, he's widely hated by the smash community, and Mewtwo was hated until he got cut, just like Wolf is now
 

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Diddy is actually good balanced in the Sakurai way. I think Sakurai makes some characters good for 1 vs 1, and others good for Free For Alls. Given the tournament scene, they prefer the characters who excell in 1 vs 1 : :4diddy::4sheik::4sonic::rosalina::4zss:. Casual players who play FFA probably prefer :4ganondorf::4myfriends::4link::4dk::4bowser:.
 

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I've always been ambivalent towards Diddy, even outside of Smash.

It doesn't bother me at all if people want to play him, though, let people play whomever they want to play.
 
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