K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Oracle_Summon]

I still think that theory was retconned out of existence. That was Rare's idea, and I think Nintendo has basically abandoned it now. Nintendo seems to think that the current Donkey Kong is the original, especially if you look at the whole Pac-Man trailer at the end where it shows DK and Mario.

True. I suppose that Cranky Kong was kept around because Nintendo cares about him and wants to stay true to the DKC series.

 

[lelelelelel]

In the gamexplain video where they talk about smash run bosses the guy that had the interview with the nintendo rep said that kraid and "a kremling" are some of the bosses. I hope its klubba because I don't see krusha or klump being at the same level as kraid

 

[KingZing]

In the gamexplain video where they talk about smash run bosses the guy that had the interview with the nintendo rep said that kraid and "a kremling" are some of the bosses. I hope its klubba because I don't see krusha or klump being at the same level as kraid

This was actually discussed some time ago. In short, it could be Krusha, Klump, Kludge, Kudgel, Klubba etc etc, because Kraid would obviously not be a roaming boss due to his tremendous size and Mini-Kraids can perfectly fill that role, while leaving the real Kraid as a possible boss in any other circumstances; and it's not likely to be K Rool because he would be described with more than "big Kremling" and because he can't be compared with, for instance, Bonkers.

 

[The Animator]

"big Kremling"

Spoiler

 

[Hexaped]

Oh, K. Lumsy! Remember the dancing K. Lumsy does? That character would be a reference I could understand, since DK64 remains the only DK game I have thoroughly played.

 

[Justin Little]

I still think that theory was retconned out of existence. That was Rare's idea, and I think Nintendo has basically abandoned it now. Nintendo seems to think that the current Donkey Kong is the original, especially if you look at the whole Pac-Man trailer at the end where it shows DK and Mario.

In Brawl, Otacon directly refers to the original DK to be the current DK's grandfather. Brawl has made the infamous 'Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother' mistake, but they were right about Cranky being the original DK. It was also stated in the DKC manual.
Most of the Kong Family Tree has been established except for Diddy's relation to DK. In the DK64 and Smash Bros. 64, it was stated Diddy was DK's nephew, but ever since then he was never mention to be as such. Plus, Diddy isn't a gorilla which means it would be impossible for them to be related. Also to note, they 'changed' Cranky's relation to DK as father and son in 64 which makes that game questionable. If their is anything Nintendo is retconning out of existence when it comes to DK's family, its Diddy's relation to DK it seems.

 

[HipsandChips]

I'm still waiting on Chunkey.....

 

[Snagrio]

Not exactly K. Rool related, but this is hilarious.

 

[PunchesMalone]

...That video was pure gold (although that ending has me BEFUDDLED). It must be Chunky's satanic nature that has kept his assist trophy so well hidden

 

[Hexaped]

Hopefully the gorilla who refers to themselves as "consisting of or containing thick pieces" shall become an AT, as some posters emphasize in this thread.

 

[shrooby]

Not exactly K. Rool related, but this is hilarious.

That was the greatest thing I've ever had the pleasure of viewing.

 

[Xzsmmc]

It is so difficult for me to read your posts- or rather, very fitting- without thinking of a grumpy cat, given your avatar. That expression on Megamans face certainly permeates the tone in which I read all of your posts.

That's the reason my avatar is perfect. It sums up how I feel about the character selection so far.

 

[Turokman5896]

Not exactly K. Rool related, but this is hilarious.

This is amazing

 

[BKupa666]

Let's get that guy to do a cover of "One of Us."

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I died and came back to life within the first minute of that video.

Need. Cover. Of. K. Rool's Finest Hour.

 

[Snagrio]

"Interjection normally uttered in a form of a question to express the emotions that come with being surprised, in a state of disbelief, anger, or interest."

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

Honestly, I'm thinking we are in for a reveal between tomorrow and Saturday at comic con and online, Thursday or Friday are more likely with a hint in the pic of the day

 

[Xzsmmc]

Honestly, I'm thinking we are in for a reveal between tomorrow and Saturday at comic con and online, Thursday or Friday are more likely with a hint in the pic of the day

This soon after Robin, Lucina and Captain Falcon? I dunno, I don't see it.

 

[JaidynReiman]

In Brawl, Otacon directly refers to the original DK to be the current DK's grandfather. Brawl has made the infamous 'Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother' mistake, but they were right about Cranky being the original DK. It was also stated in the DKC manual.
Most of the Kong Family Tree has been established except for Diddy's relation to DK. In the DK64 and Smash Bros. 64, it was stated Diddy was DK's nephew, but ever since then he was never mention to be as such. Plus, Diddy isn't a gorilla which means it would be impossible for them to be related. Also to note, they 'changed' Cranky's relation to DK as father and son in 64 which makes that game questionable. If their is anything Nintendo is retconning out of existence when it comes to DK's family, its Diddy's relation to DK it seems.

You keep missing the point. Yes, I know that happened in Brawl, but you're missing the point that Nintendo has basically abandoned any notion of Cranky being the "original" DK. Nintendo has never confirmed it persay, so that info ended up in Smash Bros., but they certainly never bring it up, and the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games go right back to the whole notion of Mario and DK being rivals, which is IMPOSSIBLE if the "original" DK was Cranky.

 

[MandoBardanJusik]

This soon after Robin, Lucina and Captain Falcon? I dunno, I don't see it.

we're two months out from release, things are bound to amp up, and while Sakurai said he's running out of newcomer videos, he does imply multiple, so like I said I easily see 3-5 more, and that would be one for Comic Con, one for next month, and one for the release direct in September, and possibly a hidden special locked character for the wii-u version which I think is still likely to happen

 

[JaidynReiman]

we're two months out from release, things are bound to amp up, and while Sakurai said he's running out of newcomer videos, he does imply multiple, so like I said I easily see 3-5 more, and that would be one for Comic Con, one for next month, and one for the release direct in September, and possibly a hidden special locked character for the wii-u version which I think is still likely to happen

3-5 more is excessive, but maybe 2-3.

 

[False Sense]

Not exactly K. Rool related, but this is hilarious.

I'll have to finish watching it later, but...

My poor sides...

 

[pupNapoleon]

You keep missing the point. Yes, I know that happened in Brawl, but you're missing the point that Nintendo has basically abandoned any notion of Cranky being the "original" DK. Nintendo has never confirmed it persay, so that info ended up in Smash Bros., but they certainly never bring it up, and the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games go right back to the whole notion of Mario and DK being rivals, which is IMPOSSIBLE if the "original" DK was Cranky.

Rivals by lineage? That makes complete sense. A lot of rivalries start off that way, from sports teams to wars, or even FAMILY FEUDS.

 

[Deleted member]

and the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games go right back to the whole notion of Mario and DK being rivals, which is IMPOSSIBLE if the "original" DK was Cranky.

It's impossible for the gorilla who refers to himself as an ass competes with Mario in various sports outings and kart races to be a rival?

Aside from that, DK can't be the original, considering he met Pauline for the first time in March of the Minis and fell smitten with her instantly.

 

[JaidynReiman]

It's impossible for the gorilla who refers to himself as an *** competes with Mario in various sports outings and kart races to be a rival?

Aside from that, DK can't be the original, considering he met Pauline for the first time in March of the Minis and fell smitten with her instantly.

Which is even further evidence of how the original DK CAN'T be Cranky. For all we know these are prequels to the original Donkey Kong games, but whatever, how can Pauline originally be Jumpman's love interest (whom was renamed Mario anyway) and appear later having not aged at all and the original DK's son/grandson finds her?

 

[Xzsmmc]

Which is even further evidence of how the original DK CAN'T be Cranky. For all we know these are prequels to the original Donkey Kong games, but whatever, how can Pauline originally be Jumpman's love interest (whom was renamed Mario anyway) and appear later having not aged at all and the original DK's son/grandson finds her?

Because Nintendo doesn't give a K. Rap about canon.

 

[HugoBoss]

Because Nintendo doesn't give a K. Rap about canon.

Scratch that, Miyamoto doesn't give a K. Rap about canon.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Which is even further evidence of how the original DK CAN'T be Cranky. For all we know these are prequels to the original Donkey Kong games, but whatever, how can Pauline originally be Jumpman's love interest (whom was renamed Mario anyway) and appear later having not aged at all and the original DK's son/grandson finds her?

So who is DK Jr?

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Because Nintendo doesn't give a K. Rap about canon.

Reading that and looking at your avatar, I can't help but lol at this. XD

 

[Deleted member]

Which is even further evidence of how the original DK CAN'T be Cranky. For all we know these are prequels to the original Donkey Kong games, but whatever, how can Pauline originally be Jumpman's love interest (whom was renamed Mario anyway) and appear later having not aged at all and the original DK's son/grandson finds her?

Apes have shorter lifespans. I thought that was pretty obvious.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Reading that and looking at your avatar, I can't help but lol at this. XD

I always imagine he/she is the Teen Titan's very own 'Raven'

 

[BKupa666]

So who is DK Jr?

Absentee father or the actual DK, depending on which storyline you follow.

Whether or not Cranky is the father or grandfather, he does comment on how "he didn't raise [DK] in a barn," so he at least fulfilled the role of father to DK.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Apes have shorter lifespans. I thought that was pretty obvious.

http://www.liveanimalslist.com/mammals/average-life-span-of-a-apes.php

Not THAT much shorter... Certainly not enough for Pauline and Mario to have barely aged while Donkey Kong became a very old cranky ape and his son took his place.

Because Nintendo doesn't give a K. Rap about canon.

That's EXACTLY my point. They threw the canon out and don't believe in the notion that Cranky was the original DK anymore.

Absentee father or the actual DK, depending on which storyline you follow.

Whether or not Cranky is the father or grandfather, he does comment on how "he didn't raise [DK] in a barn," so he at least fulfilled the role of father to DK.

Or current DK's son or something. Diddy Kong was originally supposed to be a redesigned DK Jr., anyway.


I kinda like the theory more that DK was rampaging in Big Ape City, and someone in the city, perhaps an investor or something, locked DK up and shipped him off to a jungle island where the big ape could live in peace without causing a ruckus in the city. I like the idea that it was K. Rool who took over the city and had DK sent away, then some time later they stole the bananas from the island hoping the Kongs would starve to death. When that failed, he returned to Big Ape City and DK followed him and overthrew his reign of terror.

Of course, that's just me, go-to story guy. I love a good story, and coming up with ways on how games, even non-story based games, all tie in together. I far prefer the notion that DK is a reformed villain than the son/grandson of a retired villain, though...

 

[Deleted member]

Absentee father or the actual DK, depending on which storyline you follow.

Whether or not Cranky is the father or grandfather, he does comment on how "he didn't raise [DK] in a barn," so he at least fulfilled the role of father to DK.

Honestly, the concept of Cranky being DK's father as opposed to grandfather just makes a helluva lot more sense and leaves less questions to be answered.
It's a shame Nintendo went back to the grandfather thing after Rare tried to retcon Cranky as the father in DK64...

 

[Fumpster]

I still think that theory was retconned out of existence. That was Rare's idea, and I think Nintendo has basically abandoned it now. Nintendo seems to think that the current Donkey Kong is the original, especially if you look at the whole Pac-Man trailer at the end where it shows DK and Mario.

I dunno, even as recently as Brawl they've described Cranky as the original DK (Snake's codec for DK). I wouldn't be surprised if they have since decided to retcon it though, but I hope they don't.

I see that thing at the end of the Pac-Man trailer as the "character" of Donkey Kong is from that year and not the actual "Donkey Kong," if that makes any sense.

Honestly, the concept of Cranky being DK's father as opposed to grandfather just makes a helluva lot more sense and leaves less questions to be answered.
It's a shame Nintendo went back to the grandfather thing after Rare tried to retcon Cranky as the father in DK64...

I mean, the only question that isn't answered is where the hell Donkey Kong's father/Cranky Kong's son went. Mountain gorillas, for example, only take roughly 13 years to reach adulthood, which would mean DK has to be 13 at a bare minimum. Their average lifespan is around 35-40 years. So, keeping in mind these are cartoon characters, a poor attempt to make sense out of this...

If Cranky Kong was 13 when he kidnapped Pauline and fought with Mario, let's assume Mario was around 20 years old at the time. He's a cartoon character, as I mentioned, so of course he doesn't actually age, but for these purposes him being 20 allows us to make sense of it. If Cranky had a son at 13 and that one matured 13 years, that would make Mario 33, and if that unnamed Kong had modern DK at 13, this would make Mario 46 years old, which isn't that hard to believe given Mario's glorious moustache. So if this admittedly specific reasoning has any merit, modern DK being Cranky's grandson still makes sense, it just means Cranky is nearing the end of his lifespan/should be dead by now, which isn't hard to believe given his character design.

 

[BirthNote]

At this point I'd rather headcanon the explanation I like most. Cranky is DK's dad and the original, meaning DK JR is the one we know now. He dislikes Mario because he once captured Cranky and had to save him from a slow death, as well as the stories Cranky told him about Mario's cruelty in the Game & Watch minigames (look it up on Game Theory).

Cranky's upbringing was harsher than his son's, and since he's an ape he fostered a "take what I want" personality and raised current DK to think similarly. However, his son's life was happier than his thus making DK a more laid back ape though still an alpha male with brutish tendencies. Because of Cranky's more perfectionist, pessimistic outlook, he would refuse to acknowledge DK as his son when he's not too proud of him, but instead refer to him as his grandson. Only when DK acts like his ideal son would Cranky fully embrace him as such; in the meantime he lectures him about how things should be done. DK doesn't mind, as he's old enough to do things his way and doesn't let his father dictate what it means to hold the title of "Donkey" Kong, and both agree that he has rightfully earned the legacy. But to Cranky, being his direct descendant is an even greater honor than having the title he once held. In his eyes, he's using it as a challenge to push DK to being even better than he already is.

THAT is my headcanon

 

[Deleted member]

http://www.liveanimalslist.com/mammals/average-life-span-of-a-apes.php

Not THAT much shorter... Certainly not enough for Pauline and Mario to have barely aged while Donkey Kong became a very old cranky ape and his son took his place.

Actually, yes, it's quite shorter.
Male gorillas mature between 11 and 13 years of age.

With Mario and Classic DK being infants around the same time, this means by the time Mario reaches early adulthood and the events of the original Donkey Kong occur, DK has already peaked and is slowly, but assuredly deteriorating. The transition from DK to Cranky however is more exaggerated.
And then there's DK Jr., who went through a clear growth spurt while Mario barely showed any sign of aging...

 

[SuperiorYoshi87]

Hello everyone,

I heard this is where to come too when you want King Krusha Rool in Smash.......I do ever so badly.

Anyone else think that a lack of a DK stage announcement could mean Gangplank Galleon?? Possibly why it hasn't been shown yet because of K.Rools possible playability?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

As doubtful as I am of the possibility, I'd still be concerned that K. Rool could very well end up as a boss if a Gangplank Galleon stage is shown, if Ridley and the Pyroshpere are anything to go by...(let's not get into that though).

 

[Xzsmmc]

I always imagine he/she is the Teen Titan's very own 'Raven'

That's honestly not too inaccurate an assessment.