Just a Newbie question

[Alexxix]

Well, can you tell me how to deal with shield spammers?

I mean when they just wait and try to catch you with Shieldgrab... again

Ie 1: I try to impact Knee or Nair and they just shield and grab. -_-
Ie 2: I drill shine. They shieldgrab. Then oh sh*t. It´s really annoying.

And Shine spammers too. :/

 

[The Business]

Hit the back of his shield, and do a lot of run up-grabs. You can also do really basic baits like short hop towards their shield, then double jump to bait a grab then fast fall and hit them with an aerial.

And if they're really annoying you with shield grabbing just pick falco and spam lasers until they come over to you, then grab. works with fox too.

Once you get better you can do things like space aerials on their shield, or do constant shine fast fall aerial or double shine shield pressure, but you should practice that on your own to start with.

 

[Sizzle]

You're either not fast falling or l cancelling correctly if they grab you out of drillshine. Drillshine will beat shield grab if you do it correctly. The tricky part about aerials on shield is that the timing is not always the same because you hit the shield at different angles. So instead of just l cancelling because "you're supposed to", make sure you pay close attention to where the aerial hits on the shield and then fast fall accordingly. It's a bit tricky at first because it sounds like your tech skill still needs some work, but pay attention to that and practice it.

 

[CyberZixx]

Hit the back of his shield, and do a lot of run up-grabs. You can also do really basic baits like short hop towards their shield, then double jump to bait a grab then fast fall and hit them with an aerial.

And if they're really annoying you with shield grabbing just pick falco and spam lasers until they come over to you, then grab. works with fox too.

Once you get better you can do things like space aerials on their shield, or do constant shine fast fall aerial or double shine shield pressure, but you should practice that on your own to start with.

I second these ideas. I am a fan of shield grabbing myself (thank you Marth) and these work well.

 

[Bad Cupboard]

grab more and overshoot more

 

[Alexxix]

Oh i didn't kno that,,,
and yeah, i need to practice my tech...

Thank you very much!

 

[Zodiac]

Depends on what character, but you can try jabbing the shield out of their grab range and forcing them to do something oos or retreat, or you can grab them, its really easy for them to spot dodge that though.

 

[Muse_Showbiz]

ok i see u play falcon & fox, isnt it? just like me.

so there are a bunch of options not to get shield grabbed.

1. empty jump -> grab

2. theoreticaly, fox cant get shield grabbed unless they grab you AFTER your shine. tipp: shine shffl (difficult)

3. as fox, you can do shine->grab

4. space your shffls in order to stay behind your opponent afterwards (full jumps also nice)

5. falcon's nair is such a nice move. space your nair backwards, so you can hit your enemy's shield, but you're still too far away to get shield grabbed

spacing is the most important point in this game. in generally, the one who can space better wins. dash dance a lot (especially with fox and falcon). if you see, your opponent is looking for shield grabs und is just staying with his shield while you dash dance, just dash towards him and grab him.
dont play too offensive. be sure, u can't get punished. mix up your movements, so you are unpredictable.

 

[Jockmaster]

1. There really is no reason to ever attack someone's shield in range of their shield grab. Either space the move so that they can't grab you out of it, or try to cross up the aerial so that you go behind them

UNLESS

You have a shine or jab that can come out faster than their grab after l-canceling the aerial, in which case it is a somewhat safe option (though remember, you still have to follow up said jab or shine...some people will be smart and just wait it out to attempt a grab after).

2. If your opponents are spamming shields on you and just shield grabbing a lot, just run up to their shield and JC grab them. This one thing really pisses off a lot of lower level guys, if you just start grabbing the **** out of them. Once you have established to them that you will grab them out of their shield, they will be more wary of using it and you will be able to land more aerials.

 

[Muse_Showbiz]

Dude i never said to attack while the opponent is shielding. Sorry if u missunderstood that.
Its about spacing good that he cant get shield grabbed.

Moreover if u play vs marth with cf, one could go for shield stabs with nair.
But otherwise never shffl towards a shield like u said sir

 

[EbAgItachi]

Well, can you tell me how to deal with shield spammers?

I mean when they just wait and try to catch you with Shieldgrab... again

Ie 1: I try to impact Knee or Nair and they just shield and grab. -_-
Ie 2: I drill shine. They shieldgrab. Then oh sh*t. It´s really annoying.

And Shine spammers too. :/

I think the most basic response to this is that Smash is like Rock/Paper/Scissors:
Attack beats Grab/ Grab beats Shield/ Shield beats Attack

Adding to that..

I think you should reevaluate who the person "spamming" anything is. If I'm playing someone and they're throwing out mindless aerials trying to get a combo started, obviously I'm going to put my shield up, why wouldn't I? Same thing with shines. If I see my opponent really fiending for a shine, it would be idiotic of me to try to challenge it, right? I'm just going to wait until your initial approach is finished, and then look for holes in your pressure that I can exploit and punish.

If whoever you're playing against has figured out your approach to the point where all they have to do is wait for your first move finishes --> shield grab, it means you're being hella predictable.

For "shine spammers" all I can really say that there's rarely an instance in this game where taking their first hit that initially leads into a combo isn't your fault. If your opponent is weaving in and out of your range piercing you with shines, you have to do whatever it takes to not get hit by that first one (and if you do, DI away and recover asap to get back to a neutral state).

Don't think of anything as being spam, cause that mentality can really **** your game up short term, which leads to misplaced frustration, which leads to your game being ****ed up long term. If someone is "spamming" something against you, and it continues to be effective, then it's just them exploiting your bad habits.

 

[Wobbly Headed Bob]

Falcon has this really lame shield pressure that words very well. If you sweetspot a knee into a shield, the blockstun you inflict upon the opponent usually gives you enough time to safely throw out a single jab, which will maintain them in blockstun. Since the jab has very little recovery for the user, you can usually jump safely into another sweetspotted knee. This works frustratingly well against me.

Spacing with Falcon is also really important. If you're using nair to shield pressure, don't just jump into them, but use it so that you're barely hitting with the tips of your hurtboxes, which are usually longer than the opponents grab range. Fast-fall and l-cancel at the right times so that you won't be just a lingering hitbox awaiting to be punished.

Try doing more crossups too so that you can shield-pressure the back of an opponent where they can't shield grab you. You want to be able to more constantly land on the other side of the opponent, rather than right in front of them.

Soon, when you become more proficient at this, you'll realize that it's actually very disadvantageous for an opponent to be stuck in a shield, and they'll stop using it as often.

 

[TerryJ]

Falcon has this really lame shield pressure that words very well. If you sweetspot a knee into a shield, the blockstun you inflict upon the opponent usually gives you enough time to safely throw out a single jab, which will maintain them in blockstun. Since the jab has very little recovery for the user, you can usually jump safely into another sweetspotted knee.

Thank you for reminding me that I don't do this enough.