Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

[KevinM]

Mac talk to me about something quick.

 

[KevinM]

Does Raxxel/Z25 not interacting with the set up over and over again come over as bad town or scum intent?

 

[Lore]

Does Raxxel/Z25 not interacting with the set up over and over again come over as bad town or scum intent?

Not Mac, but I'll answer too.

It's all in their reactions to it imo. Raxxel seemed chill about it and appears to be newbie town with his mistake, while Z25 was immediately hackles-raised and defensive on it. That's the key difference for me at least.

Especially Z25's thing with him saying that you're nitpicking and not logical. Paraphrasing, but still. It was a weird and quick reaction to the pressure.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Z25 can you explain the third party actions to me again? I’m trying to get a grasp on this wording but why call it like this?

Your overreaction to KevinM looks very poor for minimal pressure. Which is my biggest issue with you right now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Thanks for actually posting about the other stuff Lore

"Everyone who pushed Tom D1 looks better toDay post flip."

*leaves out how you were the main person pushing Tom post-inactivity*

from the post of mine you're referring to:

noone gave good analysis on Tom's nkill yet so ill just throw in my own thoughts

I feel like the people who pushed Tom yesterday, (i guess just me and maven) look solidly not-WW to me.

though I will say there is some semblance of merit to the overarching point here, so I'll respond. I brought up Tom's nkill cuz I was and still am really confused about why he of all ppl would be nkilled. That's it

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Does Raxxel/Z25 not interacting with the set up over and over again come over as bad town or scum intent?

I see the logic here but it doesn't ring that scummy to me. It does come off as bad town, but I will touch on this a bit in my post later

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The first part is personal bias because I literally can’t see a world where it’s TvT and I also think TvT is an extremely safe answer when everyone else was beginning to take a stance on the issue.

Your second part is easy because both anti town factions can also scumhunt in this game. You also just saying you don’t like a slot while being borderline inactive isn’t exactly the picture of committed.

This is the first time you’ve actively played the game and formulated useful opinions, some of which I disagree with but you’re at least attempting to give us something.

Trying to dig my teeth in this and get an idea.

Lunch break over.

Vote: Lore

Tom flipping scum is a big tell here. Also do not like more recent back and forth where Lore looks worse than Mac. I like Mac this game.

Otherwise I would lynch Pythag for non commital posts without much digging.

Part of me dislikes the jump on z25 but the odd wording and bad reactions don’t look good. Mostly from the fact I got nothing on why this started in the first place. Which is my biggest issue.

Also if people actually want to vote me instead of keeping me at arms length, please just do it. I usually wouldn’t care much about how people view my slot but the lack of voting and commitments on me from anyone putting eyes on me is telling.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm a huge fan of a lite lynch but let's not hammer until I get a chance to post more in depth. And until we get some commentary from Maven and Rajam

 

[KevinM]

That puts him at L-2.

You have my vote that will switch if needed so he’s essentially at L-1.

That’s our current cushion.

 

[Lore]

Trying to dig my teeth in this and get an idea.

Lunch break over.

Vote: Lore

Tom flipping scum is a big tell here. Also do not like more recent back and forth where Lore looks worse than Mac. I like Mac this game.

Otherwise I would lynch Pythag for non commital posts without much digging.

Part of me dislikes the jump on z25 but the odd wording and bad reactions don’t look good. Mostly from the fact I got nothing on why this started in the first place. Which is my biggest issue.

Also if people actually want to vote me instead of keeping me at arms length, please just do it. I usually wouldn’t care much about how people view my slot but the lack of voting and commitments on me from anyone putting eyes on me is telling.

This feels like an attempt to earn some town cred by hopping on the popular lynch. The problem is that I can see motivation for Town!Ryu and Scum!Ryu to do this in this situation, so I'm going to think on it for a bit.


Also if I'm going to be lynched, I'd really prefer for it to be a pre-deadline lynch instead of dragging it out. I've said this in literally every game that I've been in lately where I end up L-2, and it's outside alignment. Please be the heroes DGames needs and show that early lynches are fine, right or wrong.

 

[Lore]

Also post-game and after alignments are revealed, I'd greatly appreciate having it explained why Mac isn't scum here. I quite honestly don't get it, yet people are on his side.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also post-game and after alignments are revealed, I'd greatly appreciate having it explained why Mac isn't scum here. I quite honestly don't get it, yet people are on his side.

Tom flip is why I am more on board with lynching you.

The only way he could fit scum for me is as a WW. I see exactly why he took early issue with you.

As a goon, I see you as the likely mate given how day 1 with Tom and other interactions played our.

Multiball and all.

I got a few ideas for a WW lynch but that mostly points me to Pythag and Kevin and maybe FF being one candidate. I think one person in the decision making of the Tom kill is a Broomer

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Votecount:

Lore: 4 (Mac, FrozenFlame, Pythag, Red Ryu)
KevinM: 2 (Z25, Raxxel)
Z25: 1 (KevinM)
Mac: 1 (Lore)

Not Voting: 2 (Rajam, Maven89)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

 

[Lore]

Tom flip is why I am more on board with lynching you.

The only way he could fit scum for me is as a WW. I see exactly why he took early issue with you.

As a goon, I see you as the likely mate given how day 1 with Tom and other interactions played our.

Multiball and all.

I got a few ideas for a WW lynch but that mostly points me to Pythag and Kevin and maybe FF being one candidate. I think one person in the decision making of the Tom kill is a Broomer

Your points on me are fair, even if I disagree. But I do think that he is WW-scum, just in case I wasn't clear enough to you.

I also feel like your "a BRoomer chose Tom" is way too wifom for me to trust. It feels weird.

 

[Lore]

Wait how can you see "exactly how he took issue with [me]" but had us pegged pretty firmly as TvT, even to the point of bringing it up again toDay?

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[Lore]

EBWOP: "exactly how he took early issue with [me]"

Left out the Early bit.

 

[Z25]

I'll be real with you and say that I'm being a bit lazy, since I haven't reread Mac's content on you. It has been a long day. But I'm like 90% certain you only said that Mac was focusing on something irrelevant. You didn't straight up call him scum or anything. I'd have to reread and be sure though.

I am still just kinda confused how someone yelling "I'm blatantly town" doesn't throw up red flags. Call my language what you will, but his stuff had been intensely worded to begin with. Town players don't have to say they're town, brag about why they're town, and point fingers at people who question them being town.

Anyway, falling into that meta generalization as a hard rule sounds like a recipe for potential failure, no offense.




Not sure I understand how it's impossible for him to intentionally go against him meta. Kinda a weird point.




Mostly you, to be honest. You kinda pop in, comment on some things, then pop back out. This is in addition to your earlier kinda weird content, especially re: Pythag. I'm not seeing substantial content that would stave off a vote; Tom was coasting as well and rightfully called out on it (especially after it was pointed out that he was online and Liking things), but at least he made a pretty huge post of content after being called out.

More content from you would either push you above Mac for me or drop you below, and I want to see more. If I see continued coasting, that will certainly push you above Mac for me.

I'm chewing on FF as well a bit; most of his posts are "damn I agree with this view from you" with a bunch of extra fluff added, and I can't tell if it's coasting or just him agreeing. I say there's fluff, but he does have actual content mixed in so I'm 50/50 on his agreement being simply genuine agreement.

Currently Pythag and Raxxel are my strongest town picks, with the anti-Pythag stuff still not making sense to me and Raxxel reeking of being newer town.

I'm pretty ugh on Maven and Rajam as well for activity reasons. Maven's takes also felt hastily made in his posts, like his weird point about me "hopping on every bandwagon." If they don't post, I'm 100% fine with purging them and making a point that DGames doesn't tolerate inactivity/coasting anymore.


Kev/Z25 is an interesting argument. Kev started it with saying that Z25 looked weird after Tom's big post then flip, Z25 posted at the same time, and Kev saw Z25's post and "confirmed" his own thoughts.

After that, Z25 was immediately emotional. With my frustration over my misread, it came after being repeatedly asked the same question. It was annoyance at the repetition and tunneling. Here, Z25 sounds emotionally charged at the fact that he got asked anything in the first place. He then has a back and forth with Kev, where imo out of the two Kev looks the best.

By itself, I'd lean toward Z25 messing up and not having read the setup. But the immediate reaction (rather than the delayed from my situation) makes me wary. I'd be open to a potential lynch of this slot, but he's not near the top of my priority. He'd be more valuable game-wise than Maven or Rajam though, but at the same time I'm really tired of inactivity.

Out of the exchange Kev came out ok imo, but he would immediately look suspicious to me again upon a Mac WW flip. He's very strong and firm in his Mac defense, over something that could be faked.

Your analysis here isn’t something I fully agree with. Especially when you’ve seen me “emotionally charged” in MHA academia the first game we played. Or did you forgot about our huge fight that game?

Regardless, if I flipped town where would your thoughts go? How would kevin look?

Z25 can you explain the third party actions to me again? I’m trying to get a grasp on this wording but why call it like this?

Your overreaction to KevinM looks very poor for minimal pressure. Which is my biggest issue with you right now.

I’m not sure I know full well what your referencing, but it’s the intial conversation I had with Kevin right? I’ve explained this several times, but Two things to note:

1) I honestly didn’t read the op and bought this up yesterday. I figured utopian just copied and pasted the same story from the original thread and his original game idea, but now it was just a goon setup, no wws or anything like that. With a concussion I wasn’t reading huge walls of texts as I didn’t need to mess my brain up. So I didn’t sit down to look over op till yesterday, and in the posts I was taking small glances at( I couldn’t be on here for long until yesterday and had to keep reading to a minimum), I saw no mention that the setup was open and posted. Hence why I was discussing things as I was there.

2) my wording was a bit poor, but my post had nothing to do with considering a full fledged third party here. My post literally was in regards to me trying to figure out how a ww would thing tom should be a target. I talked about how he was one of the four people with a lot of eyes on them and offered reasons that a potentially more expierenced ww might kill tom, based on playa I’ve watched roles in other games act in similar situations. These roles usually be third parties. I was not raising a significant possibility of a third party in this game.

However Kevin read that one post and rather then say much, they just threw a vote down on me.

I didn’t really care tbh, but I was curious so all I literally said was

“I’m curious, what’s your reason behind this?” I didn’t flip out of act emotional I asked a question. If I asked this in response to any other player being voted no one would care. Kevin took this and decided to run with it trying to make the situation bigger then it was to push his idea to the town I was somehow scum. Which I didn’t like the way is content came off so then I responded.

Kevin for several posts refused to give a reason why he put a vote down. Which that should never be allowed in a mafia game. That’s what I deem a scum okay, someone voting to get a wagon going to fulfil their agenda. Which is why I didn’t like what they were doing. I would have the same philosophy should it be any other player he targeted.

I don’t see anything scummy in my posts or responses and in all the time I’ve been playing mafia, I honestly don’t get why people feel it was scummy.

 

[Maven89]

Wtf no quick lynch, I was unable to do a large post yesterday and didn’t want to do another “hey I’m alive will post later post”, I was just going to post later but seeing people are talking about lynching Lore right now? At least wait until tomorrow

If y’all are going to ignore this then I’ll state that my conclusions are that I’m thinking a SvS situation between Lore and Mac is pretty likely. Will post more later.

 

[Z25]

Votecount:

Lore: 4 (Mac, FrozenFlame, Pythag, Red Ryu)
KevinM: 2 (Z25, Raxxel)
Z25: 1 (KevinM)
Mac: 1 (Lore)

Not Voting: 2 (Rajam, Maven89)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

Well I guess the wagons on lore today. The question is are our inactive going to show and hammer...

 

[Z25]

Wtf no quick lynch, I was unable to do a large post yesterday and didn’t want to do another “hey I’m alive will post later post”, I was just going to post later but seeing people are talking about lynching Lore right now? At least wait until tomorrow

If y’all are going to ignore this then I’ll state that my conclusions are that I’m thinking a SvS situation between Lore and Mac is pretty likely. Will post more later.

Interesting, where have you been?

Are you caught up? If so what’s some quick thoughts?

 

[KevinM]

The activity in this game is maddening.

 

[KevinM]

Are you saying you won’t be posting until tomorrow Maven?

 

[Pythag]

I am on a plane about to take off. I will be out of commission for awhile. Interested to see maven lay out some reasoning though

 

[Lore]

Your analysis here isn’t something I fully agree with. Especially when you’ve seen me “emotionally charged” in MHA academia the first game we played. Or did you forgot about our huge fight that game?

Regardless, if I flipped town where would your thoughts go? How would kevin look?

It's not that it's because it's charged; it's because it was quickly charged. Does that make sense?

If you flipped town then I'd pretty clearly have to reread Kev with that in mind, along with any other slots who were on your wagon. I just don't see scum behavior in Kev hopping on the way that he did, it seemed pretty natural. But with a town flip, obv I'd have to reconsider that.

Honestly the bigger thing to me would be the people who defended you during that, if that makes sense. My reread priority would be Kev > defenders > wagon people.

Wtf no quick lynch, I was unable to do a large post yesterday and didn’t want to do another “hey I’m alive will post later post”, I was just going to post later but seeing people are talking about lynching Lore right now? At least wait until tomorrow

If y’all are going to ignore this then I’ll state that my conclusions are that I’m thinking a SvS situation between Lore and Mac is pretty likely. Will post more later.

Well that's a spicy take.

 

[Lore]

Poorly worded post, meant "bigger thing" referring to defenders vs the people on the wagon.

Enjoy the flight, Pythag.

 

[Lore]

Z25 KevinM Thoughts on Ryu's vote on me, plus his given reasoning later?

 

[Z25]

Z25 KevinM Thoughts on Ryu's vote on me, plus his given reasoning later?

Seems kinda of sudden. He had some thoughts on you yesterday, but he’s takes about several people. He offered a lot more detail on everyone else before he voted you though. Which is odd that he did that. If he was intent on you, I would imagine you would have had more of a focus in his recent posts. His vote might also be because of the post indicating your suspicions of him, and he could be jumping on. The wagon that was slowly forming, assuming be paid attention to vote count.

I don’t think his post is set up the best, but his reasons in the after post I can kind of understand. It more just feels a little left field t me tbh.

 

[Maven89]

Are you saying you won’t be posting until tomorrow Maven?

No, I was talking about yesterday. I’ll be posting today when I’m off work

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Your points on me are fair, even if I disagree. But I do think that he is WW-scum, just in case I wasn't clear enough to you.

I also feel like your "a BRoomer chose Tom" is way too wifom for me to trust. It feels weird.

I am trying to put my shoes in a WW situation. Why kill Tom? Did they see obvious scum? If so why was he the go to pick.

Is it WIFOM? Yeah it is but I am thinking what tip off or reason to do it.

Points me to past games in my eyes. Not solid completely but it’s an idea I had.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait how can you see "exactly how he took issue with [me]" but had us pegged pretty firmly as TvT, even to the point of bringing it up again toDay?

Vote: Red Ryu

People need to vote more on Red Ruy.

If people want me dead they should put their money where their mouth is like this.

 

[KevinM]

Nah you can go after Lore, but don’t feel bad I hate your slot just as much. (Love you though muah)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

aiight im home now, post inc

Wtf no quick lynch, I was unable to do a large post yesterday and didn’t want to do another “hey I’m alive will post later post”, I was just going to post later but seeing people are talking about lynching Lore right now? At least wait until tomorrow

If y’all are going to ignore this then I’ll state that my conclusions are that I’m thinking a SvS situation between Lore and Mac is pretty likely. Will post more later.

this is very interesting to me and super coincidental given what i'm about to post. but alas should make for an interesting night of mafia. i have a couple immediate questions for about this but am gonna wait till you state your case

 

[#HBC | Mac]

comprehensive thoughts about the game and the players in it (this ones a doozy)

ill start with z v kev

so initially i had no idea was Kevin was getting at when he first voted z25 (besides the stuff re: Tom's last post). i had to reread the interaction a couple times and wait for some of Kevin's follow up posts to really grok it. and because of that I was sympathetic to Z and Raxxle's point about not understanding what the scumread was about. but KevinM's point about z25s defense rang true, especially the ad hominen was kinda wierd and came out of nowhere. z25s defense does remind me of issues I had with Lore

z25 is a slot that i've been going back and forth on all game. His vote on me was weird and was for bad reasons, but idk i still was gutreading him as just a newer town player. after FF posted about him I started considering him more heavily but last Night i was kinda regretting having him on my scum considerations list. KevinM's points toDay on Z feel merited (though i think the Tom connection is not that strong) and I really don't get a lot of the posts Z's made today. And some of Z25's behavior yesterday was objectively gross, but I'm still not feeling very strong that they're scum. I generally struggle reading newer players and mostly lean towards Dumb over Scum most of the time (in the nicest way possible) and this is how I feel about Raxxle as well. anyway I don't think i'm a good judge of Z's slot, so imma defer to my town cohort. If both Kevin and FF think Z should go, i will support that lynch 100%

and I see what Kevin's saying about Raxxle's chainsaw defense but that slot still seems obv town to me (close or on the tier of FF / Kevin). Him coming at KevinM seemed even more townie, is kinda ballsy to do as a newer scum. And I like the fact that he seems to be thinking for himself and not just going with the flow of what everyone else is saying.

(also as an aside to Z25 and Raxxle, I just wanna say that I think it's suuuuppperrr easy to criticize the Brindor wagon in retrospect when both of yall were nowhere to be found while it was going on. analyzing it is def still the correct thing to do for toDay but just wanted to say say 2c on that)

even though I think Kevin's town, he's a slot I've been paranoid about, esp going into toDay. I had a theory I didn't share at the end of yesterDay that KevinM was mafia with Tom and Lore (yes i was thinking this back then before Tom's flip). 1. because he wasn't wholeheartedly on the Lore wagon until FF expressed that he was 100% down with it. and more importantly 2. because despite acknowledging Tom being inactive as a problem, he advocated for not lynching him (and other inactives) on the basis of activity. Albeit he had dece reasons but with KevinM i still think you gotta judge him by his flips and connections to other people since dude's not gonna scumslip. anyway, reading the him vs Z thing, literally my first thought was that he was potentially trying to push a lynch on Z to stop Lore from getting lynched and upon a scum!Lore lynch he'd look bad.

despite saying lot of negative sounding things about that slot, Kevin's still right near the top of my town list. There's been no posts of his that's pinged me as scummy, dude's been an active player of the game pushing it forward and has been an ally of mine. only reason that im wary he's scum in the first place is cuz im paranoid of him buddying me (which kinda goes in line with what FF had said about KevinM in his first post). But dude's def not gonna be someone I consider until the endgame at least and hopefully by then the game is already won, or im dead so he becomes y'alls problem. for the time being, im feeling great about this town cohort

i been feeling that there's one scum between Kevin, Pythag, FF and Maven, for no legitimate reason. I'm just paranoid that they're all veterans and good at the game amnd the fact that I lean town on all of them when it's statistically unlikely that they're all town scares me.

Pythag, I had my issues with him early game but has been steadily and steadily growing into a bigger town read throughout the game. Dude's active and comes off as actually considering the game. While I obvioussly disagree with it, I can legitimately see why people would say Lore vs I is town vs town. I think worrying too much about the brindol wagon is dumb, but I really like the point Pythag made about Rajam hammering despite saying he's super not caught up on the thread. Rajam hadn't been responding to pings all game, which gave off the appearance that he was only gonna address them as he went a long, so it is weird that he somehow knew the fact that he had to hammer. Also pythag's psots to Lore today (despite me being biased) also look good to him, especially how he brought up my interactions with him re Pythag not agreeing with me. shows hes considering stuff farreal

Rajam, was ok with this slot cuz the catch up seemed genuine, but now he's pretty high on my lynch pool esp after what Pythag said. and im gonna start abiding by the philsophy that inactivity == scum

FF i'm just straight up not gonna support a lynch on this slot this game LOL

and now Maven, so last night and this morning I was thinking about the Kevin/Tom/Lore connection (and whether I was even gonna post about it), was thinking about how my mental model of the game has too many town reads, and was thinking about the inactives and how they deserve to die. Made me feel that maybe I should reconsider my gut town read on Maven and eventually realized there's a case that he's mafia scum with Lore and Tom (super coincidental given what he posted earlier). I've noticed that I've liked Maven's slot despite him doing things that would usually make me wary, i.e: not responding to the billion questions I asked him d1 and the fact that he hadn't contributed that much d1 and seemed to comment on things after they'd been discussed by others (it took him a long while to comment on Lore vs Me). but when he did post I generally liked it. His take on Lore seemed solid at the end of the Day and him voting Tom while noone else was looked reallly good to me. Because of the Tom thing, I still think Maven's not-WW cuz i don't see WW!Maven killing Tom N1.

but Maven being aligned with Tom / Lore kinda makes sense: Despite him having a strong scum read on Lore at EoD1, he decided to stay on Tom's wagon instead of join the rest of us in getting Lore killed. esp problematic since his position on the wagon could potentially have turned the tides and brought the momentum needed that'd make a Lore kill actually go through. Also while I was giving him kudos (and still do to an extent) for his vote on Tom, it is kinda suspect that he decided to stay on Tom instead of joining Lore's wagon at such a critical point in time. mafia!Maven could have figured it was a low risk time to disconnect heavily from his scummate Tom. If he had actually advocated the Tom lynch more instead of just pointlessly staying on it at the end of day, then maybe this wouldn't look as bad. He did go ahead and make a post talking about why Brindor should be the play, and while I don't shade him for doing this, it is notable that he goes from being on Tom to voting Brindor, while never trying to make the Lore lynch happen, someone that it seems he has a clear scum read on. and tbh, i'm basing all of this on memory and haven't reread the end of day wagon so i might be off when it comes to some of the details. i'm gonna reread both that and the very early interactions re: Tom's first post between all 3 of them, Lore maven and Tom,

So I've decided i should be giving way more thought to mafia!Maven, esp considering how much room mafia!Kevin has taken up rent-free in my psyche despite Kevin not being scummy at all. on an objective level, Maven has been more scummy than Kevin, so even though I can see connections for both of them being mafia, maven is and should def be a higher prio play.

On some meta stuff, I don't think trying to find the 3rd mafia should even be the priority of town right now or toMorrow. a mafia!Lore lynch means we really need to figure out who WW is (refer to FFs first post d2) and right now I have 0 theories on that. Literally just going off process of elimination I'll say that the following are my considerations for WW:

Rajam
RR
Z25

also literally my entire mental model assumes Lore is mafia and so if he flips Town imma literally just be at a loss for what to think about this game. would still be weird if he flipped WW but atleast I wouldn't feel as bad

and briefly on RR, I think he merits being a scum consideration because inactivity == scummy and I'm trusting Kevin's opinions on the slot. but I generally don't hate the posts the guy makes (despite agreeing that they can come off as non committal), I feel like if he'd been active this entire game he wouldn't be in my scum list.

 

[Z25]

comprehensive thoughts about the game and the players in it (this ones a doozy)

ill start with z v kev

so initially i had no idea was Kevin was getting at when he first voted z25 (besides the stuff re: Tom's last post). i had to reread the interaction a couple times and wait for some of Kevin's follow up posts to really grok it. and because of that I was sympathetic to Z and Raxxle's point about not understanding what the scumread was about. but KevinM's point about z25s defense rang true, especially the ad hominen was kinda wierd and came out of nowhere. z25s defense does remind me of issues I had with Lore

z25 is a slot that i've been going back and forth on all game. His vote on me was weird and was for bad reasons, but idk i still was gutreading him as just a newer town player. after FF posted about him I started considering him more heavily but last Night i was kinda regretting having him on my scum considerations list. KevinM's points toDay on Z feel merited (though i think the Tom connection is not that strong) and I really don't get a lot of the posts Z's made today. And some of Z25's behavior yesterday was objectively gross, but I'm still not feeling very strong that they're scum. I generally struggle reading newer players and mostly lean towards Dumb over Scum most of the time (in the nicest way possible) and this is how I feel about Raxxle as well. anyway I don't think i'm a good judge of Z's slot, so imma defer to my town cohort. If both Kevin and FF think Z should go, i will support that lynch 100%

and I see what Kevin's saying about Raxxle's chainsaw defense but that slot still seems obv town to me (close or on the tier of FF / Kevin). Him coming at KevinM seemed even more townie, is kinda ballsy to do as a newer scum. And I like the fact that he seems to be thinking for himself and not just going with the flow of what everyone else is saying.

(also as an aside to Z25 and Raxxle, I just wanna say that I think it's suuuuppperrr easy to criticize the Brindor wagon in retrospect when both of yall were nowhere to be found while it was going on. analyzing it is def still the correct thing to do for toDay but just wanted to say say 2c on that)

even though I think Kevin's town, he's a slot I've been paranoid about, esp going into toDay. I had a theory I didn't share at the end of yesterDay that KevinM was mafia with Tom and Lore (yes i was thinking this back then before Tom's flip). 1. because he wasn't wholeheartedly on the Lore wagon until FF expressed that he was 100% down with it. and more importantly 2. because despite acknowledging Tom being inactive as a problem, he advocated for not lynching him (and other inactives) on the basis of activity. Albeit he had dece reasons but with KevinM i still think you gotta judge him by his flips and connections to other people since dude's not gonna scumslip. anyway, reading the him vs Z thing, literally my first thought was that he was potentially trying to push a lynch on Z to stop Lore from getting lynched and upon a scum!Lore lynch he'd look bad.

despite saying lot of negative sounding things about that slot, Kevin's still right near the top of my town list. There's been no posts of his that's pinged me as scummy, dude's been an active player of the game pushing it forward and has been an ally of mine. only reason that im wary he's scum in the first place is cuz im paranoid of him buddying me (which kinda goes in line with what FF had said about KevinM in his first post). But dude's def not gonna be someone I consider until the endgame at least and hopefully by then the game is already won, or im dead so he becomes y'alls problem. for the time being, im feeling great about this town cohort

i been feeling that there's one scum between Kevin, Pythag, FF and Maven, for no legitimate reason. I'm just paranoid that they're all veterans and good at the game amnd the fact that I lean town on all of them when it's statistically unlikely that they're all town scares me.

Pythag, I had my issues with him early game but has been steadily and steadily growing into a bigger town read throughout the game. Dude's active and comes off as actually considering the game. While I obvioussly disagree with it, I can legitimately see why people would say Lore vs I is town vs town. I think worrying too much about the brindol wagon is dumb, but I really like the point Pythag made about Rajam hammering despite saying he's super not caught up on the thread. Rajam hadn't been responding to pings all game, which gave off the appearance that he was only gonna address them as he went a long, so it is weird that he somehow knew the fact that he had to hammer. Also pythag's psots to Lore today (despite me being biased) also look good to him, especially how he brought up my interactions with him re Pythag not agreeing with me. shows hes considering stuff farreal

Rajam, was ok with this slot cuz the catch up seemed genuine, but now he's pretty high on my lynch pool esp after what Pythag said. and im gonna start abiding by the philsophy that inactivity == scum

FF i'm just straight up not gonna support a lynch on this slot this game LOL

and now Maven, so last night and this morning I was thinking about the Kevin/Tom/Lore connection (and whether I was even gonna post about it), was thinking about how my mental model of the game has too many town reads, and was thinking about the inactives and how they deserve to die. Made me feel that maybe I should reconsider my gut town read on Maven and eventually realized there's a case that he's mafia scum with Lore and Tom (super coincidental given what he posted earlier). I've noticed that I've liked Maven's slot despite him doing things that would usually make me wary, i.e: not responding to the billion questions I asked him d1 and the fact that he hadn't contributed that much d1 and seemed to comment on things after they'd been discussed by others (it took him a long while to comment on Lore vs Me). but when he did post I generally liked it. His take on Lore seemed solid at the end of the Day and him voting Tom while noone else was looked reallly good to me. Because of the Tom thing, I still think Maven's not-WW cuz i don't see WW!Maven killing Tom N1.

but Maven being aligned with Tom / Lore kinda makes sense: Despite him having a strong scum read on Lore at EoD1, he decided to stay on Tom's wagon instead of join the rest of us in getting Lore killed. esp problematic since his position on the wagon could potentially have turned the tides and brought the momentum needed that'd make a Lore kill actually go through. Also while I was giving him kudos (and still do to an extent) for his vote on Tom, it is kinda suspect that he decided to stay on Tom instead of joining Lore's wagon at such a critical point in time. mafia!Maven could have figured it was a low risk time to disconnect heavily from his scummate Tom. If he had actually advocated the Tom lynch more instead of just pointlessly staying on it at the end of day, then maybe this wouldn't look as bad. He did go ahead and make a post talking about why Brindor should be the play, and while I don't shade him for doing this, it is notable that he goes from being on Tom to voting Brindor, while never trying to make the Lore lynch happen, someone that it seems he has a clear scum read on. and tbh, i'm basing all of this on memory and haven't reread the end of day wagon so i might be off when it comes to some of the details. i'm gonna reread both that and the very early interactions re: Tom's first post between all 3 of them, Lore maven and Tom,

So I've decided i should be giving way more thought to mafia!Maven, esp considering how much room mafia!Kevin has taken up rent-free in my psyche despite Kevin not being scummy at all. on an objective level, Maven has been more scummy than Kevin, so even though I can see connections for both of them being mafia, maven is and should def be a higher prio play.

On some meta stuff, I don't think trying to find the 3rd mafia should even be the priority of town right now or toMorrow. a mafia!Lore lynch means we really need to figure out who WW is (refer to FFs first post d2) and right now I have 0 theories on that. Literally just going off process of elimination I'll say that the following are my considerations for WW:

Rajam
RR
Z25

also literally my entire mental model assumes Lore is mafia and so if he flips Town imma literally just be at a loss for what to think about this game. would still be weird if he flipped WW but atleast I wouldn't feel as bad

and briefly on RR, I think he merits being a scum consideration because inactivity == scummy and I'm trusting Kevin's opinions on the slot. but I generally don't hate the posts the guy makes (despite agreeing that they can come off as non committal), I feel like if he'd been active this entire game he wouldn't be in my scum list.

There’s a lot here to read but I’m actually pretty content with this post. It’s got pretty good breakdowns and I can understand where your coming from. Makes lean even more away from my vote on you yesterday, as a more town read today given everything that’s happening.

One thing I do want to address is your line about the brin wagon. I didn’t vote on it, because I didn’t support it. I wasn’t available online when it happened, but I spoke out against it earlier in the day, and I’ve talked enough about it now. I don’t get why your saying it’s easy to criticize that wagon. That doesn’t change the fact that it definitely was worth looking into, and I would still say those who didn’t vote for it but commented on it, were more then likely critiquing it as they saw as scummy. It shouldn’t matter if you are on a wagon or not though, all wagons should be analyzed as they provide good intel. If that makes sense. Essentially it’s easy to criticize any wagon. I’m not saying that should make anyone look town, just that it isn’t something I think helps or hurts players.

I’m glad you’ve bought some good discussion points though. With the low activity we really need them and hopefully we can get more responses here.

Personally if the inactives stay that way( mostly rajam and maven) I think town should consider them as valuable lynches.

Im considering actually moving my vote to maven, rather then lore today. Let’s see if he surfaces first though with his breakdowns.

 

[Lore]

People need to vote more on Red Ruy.

If people want me dead they should put their money where their mouth is like this.

I want to say it's sketch how you completely dodged the question, but I agree so much with your post that I can't help but respect it.

Such a lack of votes this game.

(also will respond to the other post later, I have a bit of a headache)

 

[Pythag]

Just landed in Denver. Shooting from the hip rn.

If what you’re saying is true,WRT maven,
You could potentially have a Mafia and a werewolf in between RR and maven.

Maven’s jump on RR pinged me because I was looking at Ruy since his first post.

RR being werewolf wouldn’t surprise me, since he has been going for me, I defended Tom, or kill Tom, could be used to make me look bad. He did just say that killing Tom would be an “old player” strat. Could be hoping someone jumps on me then. Idk, I’m just spit balling. But going off what you just said, IF Kevin is clear, that might be where my mind goes.


If your situation is correct I’d read it like this
Rajam - scummy
Maven - mafia
RR - ww
Lore - mafia?
?????- ?????

 

[Pythag]

That whole thing was #HBC | Mac

 

[KevinM]

Z25/RR team how likely Mac? Different alignment? Both Anti-Town?

Who do you lean towards if its 1 town 1 anti-town?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Votecount:

Lore: 4 (Mac, FrozenFlame, Pythag, Red Ryu)
KevinM: 2 (Z25, Raxxel)
Z25: 1 (KevinM)
Red Ryu: 1 (Lore)

Not Voting: 2 (Rajam, Maven89)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.


Unofficial* prodding Rajam

Edit: While it has been more than 48 hours since the day started, I must abide by the 24 hours apart for each prod, as I didn't do the first one until 10 AM or so. So, this prod isn't offical.

 

[KevinM]

Perfect we should get his synapses of Page 5 by tomorrow morning.