Items =D

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Why would you go out of your way just to say:


Stupid competitive players... I'm gonna play with items and have all the fun... the way you play sucks...


Seriously... why can't you just enjoy the game the way you want, instead of *****ing about how competitive players take all the fun out of the game...

Way to blow things out of proportion, he definitely didn't say all that.

 

[The_Corax_King]

This thread isn't one for all of you hardcore tournament players out there who play 1vs1 with no items on boring levels like Final Destination...

Of course I'm exaggerating a little...


But this part was an unnecessary jab at competitive players...

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

You're not really smart if you truly beleive that.

Casual players enjoy playing the game. The only reason they're all posting now is because there's not much to do except speculate. When the game comes out, they'll post about the new characters/content for a few months, then leave when they realize that all the discussion about tactics and discoveries and combos requires too much thought. I doubt the system for swapping friend codes here will be much better than the million other cookie-cutter SSB boards out there, so most won't even use smashboards very long for that.

The ones who stay will stay because they not only enjoy playing the game, they enjoy thinking about every aspect of it, and learning new things, and contributing to the community, and competing with others. So they won't be casuals anymore.

 

[tafutureboy]

i havent played with items on in melee for a couple months.... but wityh the arrival of course i'll put them on...i want to try out AT's and some new items....i dont compete (never been to a tourney) but i dont see a difference or harm in using items...it's just a neat little distraction for ecvery now and then (or all the time if you want)

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Casual players enjoy playing the game. The only reason they're all posting now is because there's not much to do except speculate. When the game comes out, they'll post about the new characters/content for a few months, then leave when they realize that all the discussion about tactics and discoveries and combos requires too much thought. I doubt the system for swapping friend codes here will be much better than the million other cookie-cutter SSB boards out there, so most won't even use smashboards very long for that.

The ones who stay will stay because they not only enjoy playing the game, they enjoy thinking about every aspect of it, and learning new things, and contributing to the community, and competing with others. So they won't be casuals anymore.

So in other words

Casuals = too dumb to be hardcore.

New tactics = too hard for casuals to think about.

Yeah ok.

 

[Quetzacotyl]

Overdefensive or what, eh? The original poster makes what at the very worst is a slight jab at competetive players and then proceeds to get jumped on. It's that kind of thing that gives competetive players a bad name.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to an AT and Pokéball only free for all on the smallest stage I can find.

Agreed.

I personally don't play seriously because of two reasons: Firstly, I simply don't have the time. Secondly, I think that looking too deeply into the gameplay and over-analysing the game can detract from the fun of it - I'd consider a four player free-for-all or a Pokeball only match more fun than constantly wave dashing and L-cancelling or compiling a tier list (accursed things) - not meaning to be superficial but to me PERSONALLY it's not fun. It is to others.

The topic creator obviously prefers casual play too and just made a lighthearted crack at professional players. The equivalent of "here're the new advanced techniques, newbies who'd prefer a free-for-all best stay out!". I'd expect casual players to take that in their stride just as I'd expect professional players to take "No items, Fox-only, Final Destination" in their stride. Anything else is just immature.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

IHaveSpaceBalls, are you too dumb to watch Power Rangers?

Of course not, it just isn't interesting. Neither are "advanced tactics" to some people. So stop acting like casual gamers are dumb just because they're casual, ok?

You're right that most of us will leave, but it won't be because of intelligence. Well, maybe it will with some people, but that's not true of everyone.

 

[stepmaniers13]

I'll be playing items on like I always do. Then again I'm one of those people that has to find enjoyment out of every aspect of the game all the time, so that makes sense.

I know after I play the game a while I'll have a match that consists purely of Smoke Balls, just so it'd be the most pointless match ever haha.

That's all I can think of right now, as I usually always have all items on at varying rates.

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Of course I'm exaggerating a little...


But this part was an unnecessary jab at competitive players...

Look at his post count, he's probably new, and I doubt it was a "jab at competative players"

All he was saying was this thread isn't for people who prefer Items off.

Thats it.

Really, not such a big deal.

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

So in other words

Casuals = too dumb to be hardcore.

New tactics = too hard for casuals to think about.

Yeah ok.

Intelligence isn't the issue. It's either ignorance (they haven't heard about the competitive scene, and have no way of learning new strategies/techniques/combos that they don't come up with one their own), or apathy (they don't want to put in the effort/time to learn the game).

 

[Dokuro]

Can't we just let people play the game the way they find it fun rather than make jabs at them for not playing the way you do?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to playing matches with Smoke Balls on Very High.

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Intelligence isn't the issue. It's either ignorance (they haven't heard about the competitive scene, and have no way of learning new strategies/techniques/combos that they don't come up with one their own), or apathy (they don't want to put in the effort/time to learn the game).

Well thats not what you put in your previous comment.

1. You can't possibly have not heard of the competitive scene if you've been on these boards for more than a week.

2. Some people don't HAVE time to put in even if they wanted to.

You really shouldn't be so condescending towards casuals.

 

[Link he come to town...]

Lol, my problem is I constantly demand a redo when I play with items because if I lose or if something remotely bad luck happens, I must have another match, as you can tell playing me with items is a bad idea because I get too carried away, oh and falcons speed + any potential explosive = very bad, I most of the time accidentally knee a box and get self-destructed or something, I'm pretty good at avoiding mines and bob-bombs though. I hope that they will have another item that you can hide in the stage, playing with hidden traps is so fun imo, but when I just want to have a straight out duel I don't use any items, it's also fun to win with raw skill too you know.

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

Well thats not what you put in your previous comment.

Yes it is. I wrote "then leave when they realize that all the discussion about tactics and discoveries and combos requires too much thought. " I guess "too much thought" is a bit ambiguous, as I meant "more thought than they're willing to put in," not "more thought they're capable of putting in."

1. You can't possibly have not heard of the competitive scene if you've been on these boards for more than a week.

I was referring to casuals who aren't on these boards.

2. Some people don't HAVE time to put in even if they wanted to.

I have no qualms with those people, because they also don't have time to get 1,000 posts in a month here.

You really shouldn't be so condescending towards casuals.

The OP probably would be happier at GameFAQs, or any of the other hundreds of Brawl boards out there. It's like opponents in casual FFAs; the content of the posts (quality of the matches) will be just as inane anywhere else you go, so why be picky? Also, I'll never meet any of them in person, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[ripman3]

i cant wait to do a match with only ATs and Pokeballs on and set to very high. INSANITY!

 

[Demontree]

I am going to post an idea someone posted on one of my threads ( i dont mean to copy. It was a cool idea). It was called invasion and it was stamina match with ray gun, super scope, bombombs, motion sensor, and incisibility. And then they said that with brawl it would be a whole lot cooler with sticky bombs, cracker launcher and being able to move while shooting. You can check this out at "Fun mode in Hyrule" thread.

 

[LuiStrokes]

Well, some months ago, i used to play w/o items, just "pure" skills, but then, my brother got tired, and we start playing with items on "low" we learnt how to explote all the juice in the items, i think it's better, than simple competitive play, even i learned how to avoid the hammer and hit the carrier w/o being hit.

Conclusion: Stop ****¡ng other people's ideas

 

[ripman3]

Also, just because some of us are casual players doesn't mean that we don't like learning about new tactics. Even if we don't plan on implementing them (because at this point, with brawl coming out, its not worth it), it's still nice to be educated about them.

I'm betting a surprising amount of people will remain on the boards either out of habit or because they genuinely want to get better, and this is the best place to go to learn. And I'm betting that most people will want to get better fast.

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Yes it is. I wrote "then leave when they realize that all the discussion about tactics and discoveries and combos requires too much thought. " I guess "too much thought" is a bit ambiguous, as I meant "more thought than they're willing to put in," not "more thought they're capable of putting in."

Ok.

I was referring to casuals who aren't on these boards.

Thats just confusing because originally we were talking about how these boards aren't going to have casuals on it.

But ok.

Oh and by the way...

I may be casual, but I still know how to wave dash/Lcancel and such..

I just choose not to use it.

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

Ok, by the way.

I may be competitive, but I love basically all the items in Melee. I'm the most likely person in my crew to suggest turning them on in friendlies or having a $1 buy-in item tourney after the normal ones finish.

I just felt like being a douche to someone on a message board.

 

[Rhubarbo]

ZOMG! If you think you are cool for using items, go ahead. Don't think that playing without items isn't fun, it can be a blast if you want to focus ourely on skill. NEVER SAY THAT ITEMS REQUIRE SKILL! While items partially use skill, if you and a foe are on opposite ends of a stage, and an item spawns directly in front of you, you have the advantage!

There are times when you feel on having fun with items, and there is a time when you desir having a 1 on 1, no items game. Now, I am against Wavedashing due to the fact that it detracts strategy and adds skill in the form of being nimble (the game is nimble enough to begin with).

If you criticisize someone for using items, shame on you! If you are closed minded and think items are the only way to play, shame on you as well!

 

[Speedwobbles223]

I Are Too Dumb For Hxc Play

 

[Zelaurion]

Wow.

Well, this thread certainly blossomed while I was gone. But it hasn't really turned out how I thought it would, it's kind of turned into an argument. It kind of surprised me that some people can be so serious (and in some cases) harsh when talking about a Nintendo party game. It's my opinion that if a game is released with such an emphasis on multiplayer as the Smash Bros series, then it should be enjoyed in multiplayer; and I just enjoy playing with 3 other people and having a laugh more than playing against one person in a skill match. Again, as others have said, I can wavedash and L-cancel and short hop and such, but I choose not to because I feel it makes what should be a light-hearted game too serious. However, this is MY OPINION and I am not trying to offend anyone else by saying it. So can we all just get along?I know it sounds naive, but I'm a n00b so forgive me. =)

 

[soviet prince]

my fav item always has been the beam sword, nothing beats making marth weild 2 swords

 

[flyinfilipino]

Well, when you post a thread like this on SWF, where a lot of people are competitive players, you can pretty much expect this sort of thing.

 

[The Mark]

I love how everyone who isn't a "hardcore" smash player assumes we only play on final D.

People are so naive.

Bad thread is bad.

 

[blazer787]

i hate items because i always get crap and always get hit with explosive containers or have them blowas soon as i throw them

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Well, this thread certainly blossomed while I was gone. But it hasn't really turned out how I thought it would, it's kind of turned into an argument. It kind of surprised me that some people can be so serious (and in some cases) harsh when talking about a Nintendo party game. It's my opinion that if a game is released with such an emphasis on multiplayer as the Smash Bros series, then it should be enjoyed in multiplayer; and I just enjoy playing with 3 other people and having a laugh more than playing against one person in a skill match. Again, as others have said, I can wavedash and L-cancel and short hop and such, but I choose not to because I feel it makes what should be a light-hearted game too serious. However, this is MY OPINION and I am not trying to offend anyone else by saying it. So can we all just get along?I know it sounds naive, but I'm a n00b so forgive me. =)

Don't worry about it.

Some people just look for any excuse to say that they were insulted.

They'd rather be the innocent person being put down by the man!

They're the naive ones, not you.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Well, this thread certainly blossomed while I was gone. But it hasn't really turned out how I thought it would, it's kind of turned into an argument. It kind of surprised me that some people can be so serious (and in some cases) harsh when talking about a Nintendo party game. It's my opinion that if a game is released with such an emphasis on multiplayer as the Smash Bros series, then it should be enjoyed in multiplayer; and I just enjoy playing with 3 other people and having a laugh more than playing against one person in a skill match. Again, as others have said, I can wavedash and L-cancel and short hop and such, but I choose not to because I feel it makes what should be a light-hearted game too serious. However, this is MY OPINION and I am not trying to offend anyone else by saying it. So can we all just get along?I know it sounds naive, but I'm a n00b so forgive me. =)

Well, if you were less confrontational in you opening lines:

This thread isn't one for all of you hardcore tournament players out there who play 1vs1 with no items on boring levels like Final Destination...

... perhaps the thread would have evolved as planned.

Smashboards was established for the smash community as a whole, that includes both competitive players and casual players. I kinda wish these arguments stopped spawning everywhere.

 

[Red Exodus]

Hey guys, who wants to make a thread about what advanced techniques we're looking forward to in Brawl? This thread won't be a thread for all of those scrubs that always play free for all, Link only, with all items on very high, in stamina mode, on boring broken levels like Hyrule Temple.

 

[Davidius]

Hey guys, who wants to make a thread about what advanced techniques we're looking forward to in Brawl? This thread won't be a thread for all of those scrubs that always play free for all, Link only, with all items on very high, in stamina mode, on boring broken levels like Hyrule Temple.

OK guys, look at this. OK, see what I'm doing.

I'm not insulted. It's really that easy!