Is this game technically difficult?

[Qzzy]

After playing this game for so long, I feel like I might have lost perspective on how difficult this game may or may not be.

Is this is an easy thing to figure out? How much does a person need to be able to do to play this game competently, or competitively? I figure just consistent z-cancels and short hopping, with the rest more about mind games, right?


Would you consider it easier than Melee, or harder? By how much?


I'm asking this b/c the friends i play against are utterly awful on the technical side, and I can't tell if it's just b/c they're lazy or b/c they just suck. They can still pull off wins against me, but they're tech game really hurts them.

I don't know where I'm going with this anymore. I just know that winning b/c of very basic tech skill is no fun, and losing to heavy tech skill is annoying. (why i mostly dropped Melee... Yes, I'm that kind of awful too.).

 

[KosukeKGA]

The game is simple but not as simple as Brawl.

 

[Blue_Angel]

I dunno.. all I can tell you is that the computers are impossibly easy compared to Melee's level 9 (without shffl) especially the mission 51 comps. D: (Jigglypuff sleep ftw)

Brawl.. I actually go over my girlfriends (not literal) house for that so Im not really a brawl player.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Smash64 has a few levels of play that you can compare

Basics - General Smash and grab tactics, seems simple, makes people think this game is far to basic to be competitive.

Advanced techs - Short hops and Cancels (Cancels in this game 100% rid of landing delay from Aerials) once you learn these two fundamental techs, you start seeing things most people never did!

Combos - Smash64 has the most diversity of ALL the smash games in terms of combo flexibly. every char can combo every other char to do damage racking combos!

0-deaths - Holya Shiet! Chars can compleatly destroy other chars from 0%! These combos make up advanced smash, and ultimately are what made me love this game

Mind Games - Same with every other smash game, dont get hit while finding a way to hit your foe!

 

[Seala]

Harder then brawl, easier then melee.

 

[abit_rusty]

Better then brawl, not as good as melee.

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[Fireblaster]

The craziest level this game can get in technical skill is probably with fox or ness, and even then it's nothing most people can't accomplish.

I love this game because the execution barrier (Technical skill required to begin playing the real game, for you non-Sirlin readers) is there but is small compared to other fighting games and it relies mostly on timing and spacing than speed. Being able to space correctly and timing such that your moves always beat your opponents and that you're able to pressure him off from one corner of the level to the next, it mostly requires that you've really played the game a lot and have extensive knowledge of it without requiring lighting hands.

 

[Superstar]

Actually abit, better is a bit subjective.

Melee is harder, but SSB64's combos are flashier, and match execution speed [the speed stocks go to zero] are faster than Melee, that and a huge emphasis on offensive play are why I prefer SSB64 to Melee, despite Melee's higher competitiveness.

I personally don't like Brawl because it's the polar opposite, not because it's easy. The easy is why you quit earlier, not why you hate it [unless of course it's to the point where you are done in a month when you wanted to play for longer...then it's bad, like Brawl].

 

[marthmaster04]

The only thing that i've seen that makes this game difficult is the comparitively smaller amount of DI, the massive shield hit stun, and the massive overprioritazation of some moves. Other than that, it depends more on who you play, the best players can maximize on pressuring, using the gaytarded combos, and massive stun to their advantage.

But unfortunatly ssb64 is such a game that playstyle can STRONGLY determine how a match comes out. I have games where I play some incredible players who hang with the best and barely manage to beat them. whereas later i'll play someone who cant short hop and abuses the same overprioritized moves over and over and have trouble reading them at all because their style is so simplistic. Cmon everyone here has faced that non short hopping bair and grab pikachu, or that utilt full jump uair uair ness.

 

[Dash_Fox]

I think it's neither easier or harder than Melee. They're both good games like that and have no real limit to how good you can be.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

In order to become a really good player,
Takes quicker hand speed than brawl
Takes slower hand speed than melee

The quickest thing as said is either DJC with Ness/Yoshi or Fox combos.

 

[Dash_Fox]

In order to become a really good player,
Takes quicker hand speed than brawl
Takes slower hand speed than melee

The quickest thing as said is either DJC with Ness/Yoshi or Fox combos.

No not really. I think the quickest thing is FFuair from platform ledges or FFuair from going through platforms. That takes quite a bit of technical skill.

 

[Lawrencelot]

This game is somewhat easier than Melee, spacing is a bit more important, but Brawl is the easiest game. As for competitiveness, this game comes really close to Melee, with Brawl rock bottom. As for fun, that's personal, but to me it's Melee>=SSB>>>>>>Brawl

 

[ballin4life]

What do you guys mean by competitiveness? Like what specifically makes melee more competitive than 64?

 

[Wenbobular]

The fact that its community has more than like, 20 people?
There's also only 12 chars in this game

 

[Lawrencelot]

What do you guys mean by competitiveness? Like what specifically makes melee more competitive than 64?

I think it's something like "how much you have to train to become good". Melee isn't much more competitive than 64, the amount of advanced techniques is the main thing that makes a difference. Brawl is less competitive because of camping and spamming and no combo's.

 

[ballin4life]

Yeah it's just that I don't think that is a good thing to have to train. One of the reasons I don't play melee is that I would have to spend a long time just learning all these techniques so I could be even decent. I wouldn't even be playing the game until I learned all that technical stuff.

In 64 the basics are pretty easy and it's a lot more fun to practice combos.

 

[Mr. Rogu]

yes, go watch isai.

 

[Surri-Sama]

The basics are the same for melee and Smash64...basic...hence the word...basic

Melee has a lot more to do with pressure imo
Smash64 has more to do with spacing imo


imo

 

[Fireblaster]

Melee has a lot more to do with pressure imo
Smash64 has more to do with spacing imo
imo

spacing AND timing. Combos would be nothing without timing.

 

[Superstar]

I like to think of it with Scar's definition. The more competitive a game is, the more likely the better player will win. When we use this definition, Brawl is LOL.

64 is very competitive like this. Those that are good 5 stock those that 5 stock others that 5 stock me that 5 stock still more that 5 stock other people that 5 stock nubs. I did not include Isai in this group, or I'd have to put me further down. XD 5 stock giving or taking a stock...of course.

In 64, a good player can make someone lower down look like they completely suck.

 

[Zantetsu]

SSB64: Combo heaven, not too technical, pretty easy combos
SSBM: Technical, punish based/harder to do combos
SSBB: Simple, easy to get used to, no combos
SSBB+: Quite a bit of combos, not too technical, easier to perform combos then 64 imo, really relaxing game

 

[NixxxoN]

SSBB+: Quite a bit of combos, not too technical, easier to perform combos then 64 imo, really relaxing game

Wtf is SSBB+ ????

 

[Superstar]

For 64, I'd swap not too technical to moderate technical.

SSBB+ is Brawl with cheatcodes. Like more hitstun+Z-Cancel, for example.

 

[Zantetsu]

I guess SSB64 could be considered technical in a different way then melee.
Not speed wise, but precise wise.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

melee is by far the most complex
even 7 years since it cam out, new techniques are still being discovered at it takes that much more in order to become good at the game

Most smash 64 techniques are in melee and/or brawl.

Brawl is not complex....but for another reason. Brawl hasn't been out for that long. I don't think it will EVER have the combos or complexity of melee and the combos of smash 64 but it will get a lot more complex eventually

 

[Skrlx]

try playing fox on melee (and actually be good knowing all the techniques)
AND then play ssb64 fox (be good and know all the techs) and you tell me
anyways i pretty much agree with DASH FOX

In 64, a good player can make someone lower down look like they completely suck.

you speak the truth bruddah.

 

[Zen Yore]

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thats just an opinion