Is Samus really THE worst character in the game?

[Shadó Chimera / シャドーキメラ]

Zelda may have gotten buffed but none of her huge glaring weaknesses were addressed. She just got more offensive power that she didn't need.

 

[JAZZ_]

ummm okaaay
wait down smash?? who uses down smash? you need to chill brah

Lets ignore this Loon

 

[SpottedCerberus]

WHATTTTT NO **** THIS FREAD BOWSER???????? WAT IS THIS ****

You silly goose....

 

[Tonetta]

as if the "serious posting" wasn't bad enough around here lol

 

[JAZZ_]

as if the "serious posting" wasn't bad enough around here lol

hey at least some intellectual thought has been used in the "serious posting".

If I dont believe your.... what? Lol

 

[YoshiStar5000]

id be glad to spar with you, one quick question my angry little friend, do you even know how to use BB code? your [/quote is showing

WTF IS BB CODE

No seriously Wut is it

 

[JAZZ_]

WTF IS BB CODE

No seriously Wut is it

0 ___0 seriously?

 

[Tonetta]

WTF IS BB CODE

No seriously Wut is it

it's like morse code, but for BB's

 

[FalKoopa]

You people should have reported him instead of replying to him.

 

[SpottedCerberus]

You people should have reported him instead of replying to him.

What do you mean, you people?

 

[JAZZ_]

You people should have reported him instead of replying to him.

Sorry, He was just to fun to listen too. but yea we should have

 

[FalKoopa]

What do you mean, you people?

I'm sorry. Y'all should have reported him. Better?

 

[IsmaR]

That'll do, Fal. That'll do.

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

Popping in from SassBoards the Zelda boards since you all think she is worse. Hi.

In my opinion, Samus is the worst character in the game. Her moveset and overall design is good (even though she could use an update), but the execution of it in this game was horrible. Some things to point out:

• Jab. Why? There's no reason for it to be that awful.
• Dsmash is abysmal and grants little to no reward.
• Ftilt is also abysmal unless you sweetspot it.
• Pretty much everything she does is slow and laggy, and won't kill.
• Fair, Uair, and Usmash have trouble linking together.
• Brb dash attacking through my enemy.
• Her throws will never kill in a realistic setting.
• Good luck hitting anyone with Nair.

Those are just a few things, I don't feel like pointing out everything because it's 6 in the morning, but all of that is just absurd. It's like she was made bad on purpose. Because of most the bottom tiers getting buffs while Samus remains the same, it's putting her farther back with each patch. On the case of Zelda: her major setbacks are more on her design rather than moves not working like they should, or lacking KO power. What makes Zelda bad is how laggy she is, coupled with her reliance on accuracy when her mobility is so horrible, and her lack of a proper projectile. They fixed her moves that didn't work correctly, such as Fsmash, Usmash, and the Phantom, which have helped her a lot, but don't completely address why she's so bad. Samus is far easier to fix, she just needs added knockback, fixed hitboxes, and better frame data on a few moves and she'll be in a much better position. Zelda on the other hand... She's a mess, but gives more reward for dealing with her shortcomings because of her few good strengths. Samus in this game is just so ridiculous it's not even reasonable. She needs the most fixing out of anyone in the cast right now, and until then, will remain the worst (IMO).
Samus has been my Day 1 secondary, so I'm not saying all this to defend my main, I'm saying it because I actually believe she is terrible on purpose when she shouldn't be.

 

[Tonetta]

Samus is a mid tier character at top level play.

 

[Afro Smash]

She has a lot of things that need fixing, but she also has the tools to overcome her design flaws, Zelda doesn't, and unless she gets some **** like autocancel lightning kicks from a short hop or a major design overhaul no amount of slight buffs or fixes to damage will put her above samus

 

[YoshiStar5000]

Popping in from SassBoards the Zelda boards since you all think she is worse. Hi.

In my opinion, Samus is the worst character in the game. Her moveset and overall design is good (even though she could use an update), but the execution of it in this game was horrible. Some things to point out:

• Jab. Why? There's no reason for it to be that awful.
• Dsmash is abysmal and grants little to no reward.
• Ftilt is also abysmal unless you sweetspot it.
• Pretty much everything she does is slow and laggy, and won't kill.
• Fair, Uair, and Usmash have trouble linking together.
• Brb dash attacking through my enemy.
• Her throws will never kill in a realistic setting.
• Good luck hitting anyone with Nair.

Those are just a few things, I don't feel like pointing out everything because it's 6 in the morning, but all of that is just absurd. It's like she was made bad on purpose. Because of most the bottom tiers getting buffs while Samus remains the same, it's putting her farther back with each patch. On the case of Zelda: her major setbacks are more on her design rather than moves not working like they should, or lacking KO power. What makes Zelda bad is how laggy she is, coupled with her reliance on accuracy when her mobility is so horrible, and her lack of a proper projectile. They fixed her moves that didn't work correctly, such as Fsmash, Usmash, and the Phantom, which have helped her a lot, but don't completely address why she's so bad. Samus is far easier to fix, she just needs added knockback, fixed hitboxes, and better frame data on a few moves and she'll be in a much better position. Zelda on the other hand... She's a mess, but gives more reward for dealing with her shortcomings because of her few good strengths. Samus in this game is just so ridiculous it's not even reasonable. She needs the most fixing out of anyone in the cast right now, and until then, will remain the worst (IMO).
Samus has been my Day 1 secondary, so I'm not saying all this to defend my main, I'm saying it because I actually believe she is terrible on purpose when she shouldn't be.

I agree there. She needs buffs

 

[Macchiato]

When Ganon and Zelda exist who have basically no Favourable match ups, I dont think Samus can be worst. Even if her future is as a pocket character, the fact she has a fair few Favourable match ups makes her definitely not the worst imo, and I don't think she's bad to begin with since most of her problems come from poor up close options, but this can be overcome with good use of her zoning tools

LOL ummm beats and probably more. Please do research before you start straight out false facts. Yes, many of Zelda's MUs are slight disadvantages but she doesn't any REALLY bad MUs.

She has a lot of things that need fixing, but she also has the tools to overcome her design flaws, Zelda doesn't, and unless she gets some **** like autocancel lightning kicks from a short hop or a major design overhaul no amount of slight buffs or fixes to damage will put her above samus

isn't samus the one with her best approach as walk > dtilt?

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Samus is better than Sheik imo

 

[Tonetta]

isn't samus the one with her best approach as walk > dtilt?

since when did samus ever need to approach a non-reflector character?

 

[Macchiato]

since when did samus ever need to approach a non-reflector character?

when then could shield every projectile or jump. or roll...

or when they got a lead in percent

or when they got a better projectile game

 

[Tonetta]

lol if you think roll goes unpunished

 

[Macchiato]

lol if you think roll goes unpunished

it is when your opponent is across the stage when your as slow as samus

 

[Tonetta]

So the samus has bad positioning as well? So in your theorized situation where one player perfect shields everything and the other is too terrible to figure out how to position properly, yeah samus needs to approach.

 

[Macchiato]

So the samus has bad positioning as well? So in your theorized situation where one player perfect shields everything and the other is too terrible to figure out how to position properly, yeah samus needs to approach.

Even if the samus positioned the still can shield, jump, spotdodge, or roll. Have you been playing on FG lately?

 

[Tonetta]

playing on FG is a waste of time, similarly to this conversation.

 

[Afro Smash]

I said basically none, not none, and I'll need a justification for why those are favourable MUs, and even if all are true that's still like half the favourable MUs Samus has, so my point remains

 

[Cress!]

Popping in from SassBoards the Zelda boards since you all think she is worse. Hi.

In my opinion, Samus is the worst character in the game. Her moveset and overall design is good (even though she could use an update), but the execution of it in this game was horrible. Some things to point out:

• Jab. Why? There's no reason for it to be that awful.
• Dsmash is abysmal and grants little to no reward.
• Ftilt is also abysmal unless you sweetspot it.
• Pretty much everything she does is slow and laggy, and won't kill.
• Fair, Uair, and Usmash have trouble linking together.
• Brb dash attacking through my enemy.
• Her throws will never kill in a realistic setting.
• Good luck hitting anyone with Nair.

Those are just a few things, I don't feel like pointing out everything because it's 6 in the morning, but all of that is just absurd. It's like she was made bad on purpose. Because of most the bottom tiers getting buffs while Samus remains the same, it's putting her farther back with each patch. On the case of Zelda: her major setbacks are more on her design rather than moves not working like they should, or lacking KO power. What makes Zelda bad is how laggy she is, coupled with her reliance on accuracy when her mobility is so horrible, and her lack of a proper projectile. They fixed her moves that didn't work correctly, such as Fsmash, Usmash, and the Phantom, which have helped her a lot, but don't completely address why she's so bad. Samus is far easier to fix, she just needs added knockback, fixed hitboxes, and better frame data on a few moves and she'll be in a much better position. Zelda on the other hand... She's a mess, but gives more reward for dealing with her shortcomings because of her few good strengths. Samus in this game is just so ridiculous it's not even reasonable. She needs the most fixing out of anyone in the cast right now, and until then, will remain the worst (IMO).
Samus has been my Day 1 secondary, so I'm not saying all this to defend my main, I'm saying it because I actually believe she is terrible on purpose when she shouldn't be.

The only other thing I'd add is that missiles are just lacking. If they were more like Mii Gunner's, they'd be better. But Gunner just has better missiles overall.

 

[Macchiato]

I said basically none, not none, and I'll need a justification for why those are favourable MUs, and even if all are true that's still like half the favourable MUs Samus has, so my point remains

Samus, favorable match ups against who?

playing on FG is a waste of time, similarly to this conversation.

similar to you saying your invalid points

 

[Afro Smash]

Samus, favorable match ups against who?

similar to you saying your invalid points

Do some research :]

 

[Rizen]

His jab may come out slow, but it combos into itself as well as having kill and combo setups,

^That got patched out sadly but Link did gain Dthrow>Uair kill combos. Link's lower mid tier and better than Samus imo. I'll disappear into the shadows now.

 

[Vyrnx]

Samus, favorable match ups against who?

similar to you saying your invalid points

Luigi...
Don't bother arguing with that.

And why are people coming here and telling us dash attack and uair are bad? I haven't whiffed a dash attack in months.

 

[Tonetta]

similar to you saying your invalid points

Look I understand that you truly believe in what you're saying, and that somehow samus' best approach is down tilt (which is totally wrong). However, I would like if you looked at this conversation from my perspective. A poster who posts 26 times a day comes onto my mains' board to talk **** with broad baseless claims and acts as if one player is god at the game and the other player is dog****. How am I supposed to take you seriously? Just on your post count alone I can tell you do way more talking than listening. If you go the the gameplay thread for samus, you can watch the videos of what good samus play looks like. I have videos in that thread of my own play vs top players in the game, and I can compete with them. Other players like AfroSmash have similar videos. I suggest you take some time off posting to read (or watch) for once.

 

[Vyrnx]

Zelda is my second most used character and honestly Samus is a whole lot better. I'm not saying this because I personally want Samus to be better, but because it's true. Take Tonetta's advice and watch her, Afro, KayJay, etc.

 

[Flux0r]

Samus is a mid tier character at top level play.

That sounds like a bit of a stretch...

 

[-_ellipsis_-]

Anyone else here think that a general buff in mobility would be godsend? I mean, jab linking would be nice, but if Samus was, for instance, fast enough to follow missiles, it would be good times. It would also be awesome to advance and retreat faster than turtle speed. I think if Samus should get any buff, they should start with mobility. My $0.02

 

[Vyrnx]

Anyone else here think that a general buff in mobility would be godsend? I mean, jab linking would be nice, but if Samus was, for instance, fast enough to follow missiles, it would be good times. It would also be awesome to advance and retreat faster than turtle speed. I think if Samus should get any buff, they should start with mobility. My $0.02

That will never happen. They don't change basic character traits like air speed, jump height, run speed, etc. but it would be nice ofc lol

 

[-_ellipsis_-]

That will never happen. They don't change basic character traits like air speed, jump height, run speed, etc. but it would be nice ofc lol

Why not? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it couldn't.

 

[Vyrnx]

Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it couldn't.

It does mean that it won't happen

 

[-_ellipsis_-]

It does mean that it won't happen

You're wrong, plain and simple. Precedence never indicates permanence. Correlation does not mean causation. The developers have the tools to increase run speed for Samus, and all they would need is the will to do so. Saying it won't happen is a decent prediction, I'll give you that, but it's not close to being factual.