Invincible Ledge Stalling

[Comet7]

Okay, I know Falco can do it with his up b (fire something, insert kfc joke), but can he also do it with side b (phantasm)?

EDIT: well he apparently can. i should really use google more before making threads...

EDIT 2: to put something productive here, i think side b is the best stall because of the meteor hitbox it makes. the easiest way to do it is to let go of the ledge, phantasm immediately, and then reverse it imo.

 

[Ghetto Blush]

Phantasm stalling generally is not worth the risk/reward, because if you **** up, you're dead.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Okay, I know Falco can do it with his up b (fire something, insert kfc joke), but can he also do it with side b (phantasm)?

EDIT: well he apparently can. i should really use google more before making threads...

EDIT 2: to put something productive here, i think side b is the best stall because of the meteor hitbox it makes. the easiest way to do it is to let go of the ledge, phantasm immediately, and then reverse it imo.

In PM, there is one frame less ledge intangibility so you just can't do fully intangible ledge refreshs/stalls anymore, besides Sheik's Shino refresh and the Randall refresh.
It isn't worth the risk therefore. You can use side-b to get on the stage though, because if time perfectly you are intangible while you move (although the end of it is punishable). This can help to transition from ledge to centerstage.

 

[SpiderMad]

In PM, there is one frame less ledge intangibility so you just can't do fully intangible ledge refreshs/stalls anymore, besides Sheik's Shino refresh and the Randall refresh.
It isn't worth the risk therefore. You can use side-b to get on the stage though, because if time perfectly you are intangible while you move (although the end of it is punishable). This can help to transition from ledge to centerstage.

I believed this (and swear was told this by different PMBR) but now Strong Bad/ST told me it's always been the same as Melee (not 1 frame less).

 

[Chesstiger2612]

I'm sorry for any eventutal misinformation coming from me, often I only repeat what I heard from sources that seem credible.

 

[SpiderMad]

Lets ask some more PMBR then. Did Demo 1.0 match Melee's ledge invincibility/and time in which you could release the ledge exactly? Please @Shadic @shanus @Magus @ Shell

 

[SpiderMad]

I think I performed the PMBR question asking ritual wrong, hold on

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[Shell]

No idea about v1.0 but I'm pretty sure the intangibility matches Melee frame for frame atm.