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Insomnia!

Jammer

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I HATE INSOMNIA!

Insomnia, for anyone who doesn't know, is a sleeping disorder characterized by the inability to fall asleep and/or the inability to remain asleep for a reasonable amount of time [wikipedia.org].

Okay, let me explain how it works for me:

I go to bed around 11:30 (23:30, all you Europeans). I lie awake in bed until around 4:00, which is when I fall asleep. I sleep until 7:00am, after which I am unable to get any more sleep. I will not fall asleep until 4:00 the next morning.

That's 3 hours of sleep per night, folks. And some nights I don't fall asleep at all. I didn't fall asleep last night, or the night before, or the night before that, so I've been awake for over 3 days. This happens quite a lot.

The sad part is that I'm used to being constantly tired, and the worst part of having insomnia, for me, is lying awake in bed, staring at the ceiling, extremely bored.

I can't remember the last time I felt wide awake and refreshed. It's ruining my quality of life.

The doctors say my insomnia is due partly to depression and anxiety, and partly to some kind of other sleep disorder.

Who else has insomnia? Sympathy and empathy, please.
 

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Strange, I'm the complete opposite, I sleep like a brick, and I'm a heavy sleeper. Apparently I sleep to much.

But yeah, if you aren't sleeping it's probably stress and anxiety. The best thing to do is lots of exercise during the day. Lots of exercise.

Then, don't try to go to sleep suddenly. Settle down and start preparing for bed about half an hour before hand.

I used to never be able to get to sleep about 3 years ago, super stressed out all the time cause of School, but then I just stopped letting it affect me and now I sleep fine. :)

So it's best to also tackle whatever's getting you stressed. That'll help too.
 

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You've gone to the doctors? Isn't there medication for this?
Yeah, I've gone to the doctors and a sleep specialist. I even got to wear electrodes on my head so they could record my brain waves while I slept (it gets sticky stuff in your hair).

I used to take Ambien and Lunesta, but they didn't make me sleep. Instead, they just confused my thoughts so that they were very strange and incoherent. Let me tell you: 5 hours of racing, unconnected thinking gives you a very bad feeling.
 

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Well, I don't really want to tell strangers on the internet what's going on in my life that's stressing me out.

Let's just say that it's a combination of internal mental illness (chronic depression, ADD) and external factors that can't be easily resolved.
 

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Wow, and I thought me getting only 6 hours of sleep everyday was bad. But 3 hours? That's somewhat life threatening. Could lead to other more severe problems.

Heres what you do. You know the stuff doctors use in surgery to put patients sleep? Yea, ask a doctor to put you alseep, and when you wake up, you'll have your pattern restored!!

Joking~~~

I have no idea how to deal with insomia. Do something that will make you tired, or stay up later, so you'll be completely tired when you fall to sleep. On weekends I stay up to 5 am in the morning, and I fall to sleep within 5 minutes.

my usual bedtime on school days is ...12 am...and I get up at 5am.
 

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If you are taking meds for depression and ADD, you really should think about switching to different ones. I know this is a very scary thing to do, but it's better than not getting any sleep. It is a dangerous cycle, this whole not sleeping thing! I hope you find an answer soon!
 

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I'm actually not taking any meds for those right now, simply because I went for 6 days without sleep when I was on them.

Medications for ADD and depression are usually stimulants, or they mess up your sleep, plus there were other side effects, such as constant stomach pains, so I decided to go without them. I've been drug-free for about 8 months now. I really don't want to go back to taking meds.

Well, this thread wasn't really supposed to be just about me. If there are any other insomniacs, speak up.

It's not that bad--really. I'm used to it.

Oh sorry, it was meant to be a rhetorical question. :dizzy:
Sorry.
Heh, not a problem at all. Don't feel sorry.
 

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I used to experience insomnia when I was younger. I eventually grew out of it (mostly), but when it was still a problem, I had a few ways to deal with it.

I used to write myself to sleep. I find it's more cathartic than reading is. Writing gets thoughts out of your head, reading just puts more in.

I didn't write in bed most of the time. Instead, I sat at my desk or some other chair. It made it that much more comfortable when I got into bed.

I opened a window. The fresh air does wonders, and I had the window by my bed cracked open up until January.

And like Eight Sage said, physically exerting yourself during the day helps a lot. Not enough to hurt yourself, of course, but enough to tire you out. Even if it's just a game of frisbee, it'll help.
 

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We're well aware of what the 12-hour clock is Jammer, perhaps you not so much as you left out ante/post meridiem which indicates what time of day, only correcting the error every now and again. Not that it's too important as we're pretty capable of filling in the blanks you ****ing stupid americans you leave behind.

Anyway, rather than leave an unhelpful and almost unrelated post like some forum members I'll say some more.

7 hours of sleep is the healthy amount for a human being, give or take an hour or two, anything outside of this is unhealthy. Doesn't include infants and babies, they sleep for like 16 hours a day on average.

I slept 12 hours today, into bed at 4:00a.m. and out of bed at 4:00p.m. Rather unhealthy if I do say so myself, which I do.

Deal with what any factors you can I guess, reasonably mind, if it's some 7ft, jacked hiemie guy with a gun taking your lunch money I suggest you find another way around it. That said, you didn't look like a short/thin guy in Las Pictoras. Joking about the hiemie part.

Any other medication you can take? Or perhaps just come off the medication entirely just to see what'll happen. Stay off the caffiene perhaps, read a text book, or perhaps just watch The Machinist by yourself, lights off lying down on a couch.

As for the film with Al Pacino, Robin Williams and Hilary Swank, well, I didn't find it that great. It's alright I guess but certaintly nothing near what Christopher Nolan is capable of. How does Al Pacino overcome his insomnia you ask? well that would be spoiling the film, but that's what spoiler tags are for:

Are you sure you want to read this? ok then, he dies at the end.
 

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Eight Sage: Yes, lots of people are telling me to be more active. I'm pretty active already, but I guess I'll try to do more.

frankisvital: True dat with the fresh air. I always have the window open, or, if it's too cold, a fan running. I couldn't sleep without it.

Sporkman: Sorry for insulting your intelligence, I guess. I just didn't want any confusion, and I try to remember my audience at all times. I know that Germans, at least, use a 24 hour clock, so...then again, they are reading it in English, so they should know what I mean. I guess you're right.

Hmm... My pictures made me look tall and fat? I'm 6 foot and 170 pounds (I won't do a metric conversion so you don't get mad, Sporkman), so tall and slightly skinny, I guess.

I'm off all medication entirely right now, and I've tried pretty much every sleep aid there is, short of tranquillizers (I don't think they'll let me use those). I never have caffeine, and my doctor says not to have any lights on at night (so my body doesn't think it's daytime), so I can't watch movies or read a book. I sometimes listen to classical music.

Also, I don't think dying is an acceptable solution to insomnia. The side effects are quite a bit worse than my current condition.
 

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I know a guy that has sleep disorders caused by Anxiety. He was on these meds that would totally turn him loopy, then he'd fall asleep wherever he was sitting.

I'll ask him what he took, and get back to ya.
 

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Have you tried doing nothing in your bedroom except sleeping? There's typically a strong subconscious correlation between activity and environment, and I know one way that some insomniacs are treated is by making sure that they don't correlate their bedroom with anything but sleeping. Could help, I dunno. Only advice I can give is from a small portion of a lecture in a first-year psych course devoted to sleep disorders, and we spent more time on narcolepsy and other ones than on insomnia (although I can tell you 40% of the population suffers from some form of insomnia ^_^), I'm hardly an expert on the subject.

Oh, and 3 hours of sleep a night, though really low, isn't as bad as some people seem to think. First of all, humans can't die from lack of sleep. Rats can, but humans have some kind of system that forces them into short bursts of REM sleep to prevent such things from happening. And, in the case of extreme deprivation, you'll simply collapse and sleep for a long period of time (longest time spent awake was some high school kid who did it for a project, stayed awake for 11 days, at the end of that period he just collapsed and slept for something like 15 hours). Plus it's not impossible for people to be comfortable with that much sleep. I actually spent most of the first semester of grade 12 getting 3-4 hours of sleep a night, for no other reason than because I didn't feel like going to bed before 3 (and getting up at 7 to go to school). I was perpetually tired, but I'm always tired anyway, unless I have like 12-14 hours of sleep a night (and, oddly enough, I tend to wake up on my own well before then, so I rarely pull that off), so it really didn't change much.

Should generally try to avoid it, though, just so nobody thinks I'm condoning it. But 3 hours a night won't kill you, or even physically harm you in any way unless your drowsiness causes you to walk off a cliff or something. Sleep requirements vary widely between people. Anyway, I've clearly strayed from my initial point, so I'll shut up now. Just don't be expecting overnight results from any sort of environmental treatment, it'll take a while to kill any other correlations you may have.
 

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What happens when an Insomniac such as yourself tries to pull an all nighter?
 

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I've had insomnia since 6th grade. In 9th grade, I found out my mom not only had it, but has had it for years and never told me. Perhaps it's hereditary.

Regardless, there are times when I can't sleep. And times when I do sleep and it feels like I just blinked for a longer period of time. It's quite horrible and I wish it on no one.

It's gotten a LOT better since High School where I would go days without sleeping if I didn't take SOME kind of pill. It got to the point where I would be going through whole bottles of sinus medicine just to sleep, fake colds to get NyQuil, etc. And this was around 7th and 8th grade. It was the "haha, I'm sneaking cough medicine to get high!" stuff, it was the "I'm sneaking cough medicine so I don't go bat**** insane from lack of sleep and die." Horrible horrible experiences.
 

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Sweet Zombie Jesus I hate Insomnia.

I had it recently myself duren the school holidays. I stayed up whole nights and slept through parts of the day. It had some amusing moments where I would do something stupid out of it, but mostly it was a pain.

I got over it after a week or so.
But you could simply try pills?
 

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Have you tried doing nothing in your bedroom except sleeping? There's typically a strong subconscious correlation between activity and environment, and I know one way that some insomniacs are treated is by making sure that they don't correlate their bedroom with anything but sleeping.
Yep, I know about this. The only things I do in my bedroom are sleeping, trying to sleep, and getting dressed.

What happens when an Insomniac such as yourself tries to pull an all nighter?
Easy as pie. If it weren't for my ADD, I could do schoolwork for 40 hours straight, easily. As it is, I could do something like play Smash for 40 hours straight. But I don't.

What do you eat/drink 6-8 hours before you go to bed?
I go to bed around 12:00. I usually have dinner at 6:00, and I often have a glass of milk or water right before bed. No caffeine.

But you could simply try pills?
Tried them. They have really weird effects on me: instead of making me sleep, they make my thoughts race uncontrollably. You know how you sometimes are thinking about something, and you wonder how why started thinking about it? It's like that constantly, and my thoughts are about as nonsensical as the average dream. Not fun at all.
 

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Tried them. They have really weird effects on me: instead of making me sleep, they make my thoughts race uncontrollably. You know how you sometimes are thinking about something, and you wonder how why started thinking about it? It's like that constantly, and my thoughts are about as nonsensical as the average dream. Not fun at all.
Take Ambien. Ambien is latin for ****s your world up.
 

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Ambien's the one that was the worst like that.

Lunesta wasn't as bad, but it still didn't help me sleep.

There was a third one, but I forget the name.
 

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and the worst part of having insomnia, for me, is lying awake in bed, staring at the ceiling, extremely bored.
instead of just lying awake in bed, staring at the ceiling...

why don't you play video games? or read a book. or do something! i'd be bored out of my mind if i were to just lie awake in bed, staring at the ceiling. : /
 

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Books put me to sleep. Seriously, even if I really like the book and I'm not even tired. I start dozing off.

I don't actually have insomnia, but being an engineer essentially makes you a mini-insomniac!
 

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why don't you play video games? or read a book. or do something! i'd be bored out of my mind if i were to just lie awake in bed, staring at the ceiling. : /
I'm not allowed to have any lights on.

No TV or even reading lights.
 

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SmashBoards messes up my sleep pattern. That's right SmashBoards! You mess up my sleep pattern!

It's 10 past 2 in the morning here, and I'm lying on bed on SmashBoards.

So what I do to fix it is, stay awake for ages, sleep for like 3 hours, wake up and get dragged to school (which I don't have tomorrow, hurrah!), be in a dreamlike state for 6 and a half hours, try desperately to keep myself awake till about 8, then fall asleep.

That fixes my sleep pattern again! :laugh:

You'll fall asleep eventually. Like I said, try targeting the problem in any way you can. Just do something that makes you feel less stressed and takes your mind off of things. You'll sleep better then.
 

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Because then my body will think it's day time or something.

I assume it's your doctor-guy who has you do those things?

It almost sounds like he's trying to make you focus on getting sleep a little too much. You should try just like not caring about trying to get sleep so much. Sure at first it'll probably suck for awhile, but like Pluvia said, eventually you'll get so tired that going to sleep will be nearly all you can do, and it'll also be very looked forward to, rather than dreaded. (believe me I've had experience with what it's like to try go to sleep while almost sub-conciously knowing that I'm not actually gonna fall asleep)

But yeah, after the first few times you do that, then you should just try do exercise (very preferably not really strenuous exercise) n' stuff like that, and with luck you'll be able to get into a good sleep cycle.
 

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Well, the doctor (it's a female, by the way) also said not to think about sleeping, or that I was going to be so tired the next day, etc. She specifically told me to never look at my clock (I still do--it's practically impossible to resist after lying around for 3 hours).

I try not to think about not sleeping. I generally don't, so I don't think worrying about sleep is the problem.
 

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Well, the doctor (it's a female, by the way) also said not to think about sleeping, or that I was going to be so tired the next day, etc. She specifically told me to never look at my clock (I still do--it's practically impossible to resist after lying around for 3 hours).

I try not to think about not sleeping. I generally don't, so I don't think worrying about sleep is the problem.
 

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Because then my body will think it's day time or something.
yeah it is true. my friends and i were speaking about this at dinner last night. something about that your body needs light to trigger something for your body. idk what it is i should have payed more attention.

insomnia could be caused by something that is bothering you such as fear, anxiety, or stress. also it could be some neurological disorder. and it can be also caused by overusing over-the-counter sleep aids.

also what crimson king said it could be heriditary but it is a rare occurence.

also some foods contain tryptophan which help you feel drowsy and want to sleep. for example turkey and milk. so i hope this thanksgiving you are able to sleep more than usual.

you should really try to find a thing that works for you because it could lead to heart disease. we were explaining this to a friend that would not sleep. yeah also someone in my hall is an insomniac. so when i'm up at three-five once in a while he also just walks around the halls and campus. he says he sleeps for three hours like every 3-4 days.

Some traditional remedies for insomnia have included drinking warm milk before bedtime, taking a warm bath in the evening; exercising vigorously for half an hour in the afternoon, eating a large lunch and then having only a light evening meal at least three hours before bed, avoiding mentally stimulating activities in the evening hours, and making sure to get up early in the morning and to retire to bed at a reasonable hour. i found thia on wikipedia but i bet you saw it already.

i hope you are able to find a way to fight your insomnia.
 

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I AM THE KING OF INSOMNIA, but really i havent been able to sleep at the night time since last year either that or i am a vampire... that girl bit me when she kissed me now i remember, does anyone know Vanhelsing's email? @JAMMER; Delete that double post before you get an infraction.
 

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Some Suggestions

Jammer:

Let me start off by telling you a little bit about my sleeping habits/problems.

I've had a few severe nights of insomnia in the summer of 2006, probably from a lack of exercise and lack of the stress I would get from school work and studying. Luckily, I haven't had a night that rough since then, but I feel for you man. I hate lying in bed, saying to myself, "ARG, why won't you fall asleep!" I especially hated the sickening feeling of noisy thoughts racing through my mind. You are not alone, although your case sounds way more severe than mine was.

I've recently been experiencing some bizarre sleeping disorders, though they are not consistent or even frequent. This morning (or should I say yesterday morning) I woke up at 9am to check if the hot water was back so I could shower. I had gone to sleep at 5am so I only had 4 hours of sleep, but when I tried to go back to sleep after my shower, I found myself waking up every hour, afraid that I'd oversleep until like 2pm (because I had school work to take care of). Just last Sunday, I fell asleep on a greyhound bus, and about an hour or two into my nap, I would suddenly wake up (consciously), but I'd still be "asleep." I think I was experiencing "sleep paralysis," a state in which you are consciously awake but your body is too tired to move, I believe. I couldn't open my eyelids or even yell for help, and my limbs felt completely lacking of energy, but I was able to snore more loudly hoping the person sitting next to me would snap/shake me out of it.

I've fallen asleep:
-with loud music or other noise
-with the light on.
-while watching a movie (usually while lying down on my side),
-while watching something on my computer/youtube.
-while trying to read something, usually assigned reading for one of my classes.
-in the afternoon, despite getting a full night's rest.
-in a sitting position on buses, cars, in lecture.
-on hard floor, carpet, grass
-with my legs crossed. Yes, as in, on my back, with my right foot planted on the bed, right knee erected, and left side of my left ankle resting on my right knee. I do this quite often actually.
-I think I've almost fallen asleep one time while I was floating on my back in a pool (7th grade).
-I've even dozed off while standing upright in the shower after an extensive homework session one night.


The point is that even people who have been able to sleep under ridiculous circumstances, like me, can still suffer from insomnia. Anyways, onto the suggestions:

Mindset: Don't force sleep on yourself, let sleep come to you.

Try to:

-read something while on your back/side in bed, then lay it open and on your stomach and to the side of your bed, then "rest" your eyes with the intention of going back to your reading but never doing so. This is literally just like a sleeping pill.

-watch smash videos/any movie THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN on youtube/etc, while on your back (for smash videos: applies only if you have a laptop). If what you are watching is new to you, you may become too attentive in focusing on new details. I've fallen asleep while rewatching the PC Chris vs HugS set from MLG Orlando, and if I'm tired I fall asleep by the second match. Pop in one of your favorite DVDs and watch it in a comfortable position (on your back/side) The point is to let your mind unwind. I know that you're not allowed to do this, but this actually works, at least for me.

-avoid thinking about your plans tomorrow. An excited or nervous mind is too restless to help you fall asleep. A technique that works for me is to think about dreaming. Think of incoherent and absurd things and stories that you would think you would dream. This really lets your mind unwind and go in an aimless direction that can ease the mind into sleep.

-write up a post about sleeping habits and suggestions like I am Lol, I feel drowsy.

-the warm milk thing has worked for me. Take a warm shower too. The warm water from the shower head beating against your back/spine/shoulders/neck is very soothing.

-let me just say that listening to music has had varying effects on me. In the summer I had insomnia, listening to music would actually not help me go to sleep faster....but lately, listening to my ipod, specifically to an album starting from the beginning in order, has helped me tune out all of the outside noises and fall asleep more easily.

-go to lecture, read a book in bed, watch something you've seen already

-do something monotonous, like leveling up. I remember drifting into sleep while trying to raise one of my Pokemon to level X, while training in the wild. I've even once fallen asleep during a FF VII battle and when I woke up my party was almost all dead (I had one character remaining who cast Phoenix on himself). Works like a charm.

-go for a light but somewhat lengthy jog sometime in the afternoon, or do some cross country running early in the morning.

-as a kid, my mom would comb the front of my hair, or my dad would drum his fingers on my stomach, and I'd knock out in a few seconds. I dunno, maybe have your girlfriend do this to you? XD

-reread my post and go over all the points I made/suggested.


Basically, sleep is a psychological mindgame. If you seek sleep and are desperate for it, it'll be a drag (unless you're not an insomniac and you're exhausted). If you are trying to give attention to other tasks, while in a comfortable position preferably, suddenly sleep is wanting you XD.

Wow, I wrote a lot. My last post was only 10 characters long, Lol. Time to sleep.
 

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I got some fun samples from my doctor, yesterday. Ambien CR, and Rozerom. Haven't tried any yet, but I'll let all y'all know once I do.
 
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