Immediate PKT2

[timandcarl]

I've seen some people be able to cut out the loop in their PK thunder and jerk the lightning straight back into them right as they cast, instantly doing a PKT2 downwards. I've tried to do it myself but I can't figure it out. I'd really like to know how so I can do the thing where Lucas goes downwards in PKT2 and glides across the floor of the stage (I just call it floorboarding I dunno what it's actually called). If I can do it immediately I can catch people off guard more with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV689E9vYsk
I dunno if Mega is someone from this forums but this is where I saw it, around 4:45ish when he's fighting Diddy Kong.

 

[prOAPC]

is called edge momentum pk thunder or thundersliding
just run to an edge, and before you leave the ground, perform a pk thunder

 

[Tyr_03]

Nobody ever PK Thunder cancels the thunderslide on Battlefield

It's too cool. Try it. Time the thunderslide off the top platform so it hits the edge of the lower platform to cancel into any move. Most amazing true combo in Brawl hands down.

 

[x9whitey9x]

Tyr, can we get a vid of that? I'm intrigued.
OT: I like this, it sounds like something I should add to my repetoire.

 

[timandcarl]

I tried this for 15 minutes and couldn't get it to work at all. The PKT just seems to work the same way it always does. That sucks that it's only off the edge too, it seems good for things like what Mega did but that chances of that happening and then you SUCCEEDING at pulling it off seem highly unlikely.

Also Tyr I've done that once, I was actually really **** amazed at what happened but never attempted it again. I thought it was a fluke or something.

 

[Brinzy]

Tyr, can we get a vid of that? I'm intrigued.
OT: I like this, it sounds like something I should add to my repetoire.

I just did it a few times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBfQQxkzDMU

You can even blast into opponents, but I was so inconsistent with it that I didn't feel like recording a ton of mistakes.

Maybe I should put what to do in the video...

 

[Tyr_03]

^^^
I think he was talking about PK Thunder cancel though. I haven't ever seen it in a video online and I can't get one on. It's not as hard as it sounds either. I can do it perfectly anytime I want to since I practiced it. Anyone who wants to see send me their codes and put in mine and I'll be happy to send a video of it.

Thundersliding is pretty unexplored territory really. I know how to use it effectively but since I don't have much of a tournament scene and have no way of getting vids online there's not a ton I can do. It'd be great to see this get some wider use or atleast some exploration.

 

[Brinzy]

Ah, PK Thunder cancel. Maybe if I get it down, I can put that up, too...

I actually never heard of Thundersliding until just now, actually. When I blasted into DDD once, I was amazed. Too bad it was a fluke and I wasn't recording...

 

[timandcarl]

Oh, yeah I was talking about PKT cancel...sorry, I didn't know you meant doing what I was mentioning on battlefield like that.

 

[Brinzy]

No, I recorded it mainly because I wanted to share it with another player, and your post inspired me to do that. Still, my mistake about cancel.

(been making a lot of mistakes lately...)

 

[Levitas]

Are you sure you didn't mean the thunderslide, timandcarl? That's what's shown in PK Powa with the diddy, after all. iirc, the cancel is just when you direct the PKT into yourself on the ground and get knocked down without going anywhere.

My terms may have gotten a bit muddled though...

Edit: Sucessor, don't sweat mistakes, the problem only comes from repeating the same ones.

 

[timandcarl]

Nono, what successor was doing in his video is exactly what I meant. See, I didn't know how you jerked the PKT so fast back at yourself that you hit yourself almost immediately as opposed to looping it, because I wanted to do it really fast so I could "thunderslide" (or slide across the floor of the stage with PKT2) so fast that my opponent wouldn't see it coming. But since you can only do it after running off an edge I guess it doesn't have that big of a use for me, except on Battlefield I guess. I still don't know how to do it, though, cause I keep running off the ledge and doing PKT and it still loops every time.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

The timing's tricky, but ideally, you'll use PK Thunder at the same instant you run off the edge of a surface, and your momentum will carry you past where the bolt appears. This reduces the distance the bolt needs to travel to hit you to near-instantaneous. The hard part is not suiciding with it. <_<

 

[Brinzy]

Nono, what successor was doing in his video is exactly what I meant. See, I didn't know how you jerked the PKT so fast back at yourself that you hit yourself almost immediately as opposed to looping it, because I wanted to do it really fast so I could "thunderslide" (or slide across the floor of the stage with PKT2) so fast that my opponent wouldn't see it coming. But since you can only do it after running off an edge I guess it doesn't have that big of a use for me, except on Battlefield I guess. I still don't know how to do it, though, cause I keep running off the ledge and doing PKT and it still loops every time.

It's a little tricky. You might be able to pull it off a little easier with the C-stick. Basically, you just dash and PK Thunder right before you get to the edge. The timing is a little weird, but once you get it down, it's fairly simple. It might be easier to run to the right, because in my experience, if you press down, it'll go to the right anyway. (When I ran left, holding down made it go right anyway.) You know where Lucas does his "omg I'm gonna fall" animation? When you run, PK Thunder right before that point.

Twice now, I've been able to shoot myself horizontally across battlefield, and I did connect with Dedede once. Too bad it was a total fluke. I suppose if one gets really good with it, it could be a legitimate technique, if it isn't one already.

 

[Tyr_03]

There actually are a surprising number of uses for it on platform levels. PK Thunder Cancel I find to be the most useful on Battlefield because it basically gives you a few moments of invincibility because the hitbox covers your whole body and has very high priority which drags opponents if they touch you and combos immediately into almost any aerial. In addition it moves a lot faster than Lucas could normally once it's begun so you can lead it into PK Fire if the opponent is on the ground level for a surprise attack.

The timing on it allows for a ridiculous amount of variance on what direction you send yourself. On Battlefield from the top platform you can send yourself into a floorblast onto the next level platform, floorblast bounce to edge cancel, ricochet across to the other platform, PK Thunder cancel, numerous shallow angles sending you to the ground level, and directly backwards. That's in order from latest timing to earliest I'm pretty sure.

Also, if you notice your opponent begining to predict your direction or they aren't in a good place to hit them you can simply delay your thunderslide by sending the thunder out slightly before hitting yourself. Although this makes it more around the normal speed of initiating PKT2, you have complete control over your direction and can avoid the move getting shielded and punished. This is also useful if you notice that you've mistimed it and aren't going to get the outcome you wanted.

Some stages will almost always lead to ricochet PKT2 when done off the platform such as Yoshi's Island (Brawl) and Halberd. PK Thunder cancels are very easy to do on Lylat Cruise as well if you thunderslide off of the middle platform with the latest timing (depending on how it's tilting at the moment.)

Thundersliding can be great if you know your timings perfectly. I do it enough that I almost always get exactly what I want. I think it has the potential to be a big part of Lucas's metagame in time.

 

[timandcarl]

Alright so I was testing this for 2 hours and finally got it down to a decent success rate. It's pretty cool, but it can also **** you over if you don't direct the ball right in those few short moments because it has a chance of hitting you dead into the ground. If you try this on the platform on Smashville by running off in the opposite direction that the platform is moving, the success rate is much higher because your slide in the air is much more noticeable. You have to do it an opportune time though, because a lot of the time you can easily fall off the stage because it is so small.

 

[IDK]

I guess it doesn't have that big of a use for me, except on Battlefield I guess.

i use it for suicide kills right at the end of a game. mostly when i have 2 or 3 stocks. at one stock... they die first but you better be sure to hit them.