I'm planning to build a Japanese ranked match system for the next SSB, SSB4 on the web.

[okawa]

Hello everyone, I'm Japanese. And do you guys know Dan i sen?
Dan i sen is a kind of ranked match system. It's quite popular tournament style in Japan.
I would like to build Dan i sen web system and make it more worldwide.

Does anyone help me? I want volunteer.
I'd like to introduce anything ( like regulations, rules ) of current Dan i sen and discuss them together.

If you find grammatical errors in my words. Inform me and correct them.

 

[okawa]

Site is here.
http://brawlgrade.ninja-web.net/rule.html
Of course it's japanese site.

And, I'm not a current Dan i sen staff.
Next, I try to translate current Dan i sen 's general rules and regulations.

 

[BlueXenon]

I am really excited for this, it would be fun to play people around the world!
I messaged you some english corrections.

People will be more interested when you finish to translate the general rules and regulations.

 

[RelaxAlax]

Yes, sounds interesting. If you can translate the rules I'm sure many will come. There are a few people on the boards who speak Japanese so hopefully they can come to your aid.

 

[okawa]

> Everyone
thanks to your replies.
I have already translated all rules and regulations of them.
I'd like to post these today.

But before, please read these attentions.
1. I'm no any member of this Dan ranked match. That means, SSBB Dan ranked match site and my plans don't have any relations.
2. These regulations and rules have strange expression, so sometimes my literal translation is weird.
3. regulations are worth being used as reference for SSB4 Dan ranked match, but I guess rules are not worth because it depends on the gaming system. But I translate all of them.

When you cannot make sense. Tell me.

 

[okawa]

1. General regulations
The tournament is based on Knockout competition.
A tournament can be participated from 4 to 6 people.
The winner gains 1 point. And the loser losts 1 point.
With +3 points the player promotes. With -3 points the player demotes.
(In case of 1st rank, -3 points player lost the right to participate any tournament at that day)
The winner continues to fight the match, and the loser have to wait the next turn.
Points are kept even if the tournament ends up.
(1st rank players don't keep their points if their points are less than 0)

The tournament ends up when there are 2 promoters, or 2 demoters or up to 2 hours.
But when there are 2 promoters within 50 minutes (30 minutes for 4 peple), the tournament dosen't end up, and the organizer offers a reserve player.
The tournament continues until there's one more promoter or up to 2 hours.
# When the all players agree reserving, the organizer can offer a reserve player even the time has passed 50 minutes.

codicils by the translator
I'd rather say Round-robin competition than Knockout competition.
The higher Dan is better, that is different to rank. As you know the less rank is better.

 

[okawa]

1-2. Match rules
Survival-match 3 stocks
3 stages are permitted to be chosen. Battlefield, Final destination, and Smashville.
Time is 10:00.
No items.
And other rules mustn't be changed.

Zelda and Sheik is granted as one character.
Pokemon trainer is also. But Samus and Zero suit Samus aren't. That means you cannot get off her suit during the match.
The first to win 1 set.

1-3. When the match starts
When the organizer finished suicide, the match begins.
2 players need to face.
When the stage is battlefield, 2 players stand on each floating board.
When the stage is final destination or smashville, 2 players take an enough distance.
ROB need to use Neutral B when the match begins.
Wario need to use Down B when the match begins.
By casting upward or downward Zero suit Samus's shells in order not to disappear them is permitted, but the player mustn't cast to left nor right.
And when the match begins, the player take attention that the shells are not popping.
Even if the player won't use shells, s/he must throw them away after the match begins.

codicils by the translator
Zero suit Samus can use her shells.

 

[okawa]

1-4. When you participate
Participants are required to write their infos and obey this form with in the time of offering.
The form is "code@name character points".
And they are also required to their raw ID shown.

codicils by the translator
"raw ID" refers NicoNico Douga's ID. there users can hide their own ID.

1-5. Forbidden things
A glitch of Metaknight Cape.
Other Glitches that prevents match progress. When it occurs, the player who cause loses the match.
Round-trip of below floor.(one way trip is allowed)
# one way trip is to reach the height of the opposite cliff.
# the player can do one way trip when s/he returns on the floor or gains damage (but magnifier).
Cliff-grabbing more than 60 or more times.
(the violated player loses the match, even if the player defets his/her opponent.)

Transformation of Zeld and Sheik before the match begins.
Unavoidable grabbing or attacks for the pourpose of wasting time.
(When the opponent gain enough damage to lose his/her stock, thep layer have to end these kind of unavoidable attacks and burst)
Giving the match up. (When the xxxx is trouble, the player might lose the right to participate tournaments)

Launching but regulated Japanese SSBB.
# That means Launching foreign version of SSBB, or on HDD is prohibited.

Hack is prohibited. But when you want replay, only replay hacking is permitted.
Other all hacks are prohibited even if it is music one.
When it is revealed a certain player uses hacks, s/he loses.

codicils by the translator
I couldn't translate "xxxx"

 

[okawa]

1-6. Sudden death
When the time ends up, the player who have more stocks wins the match.
If their stocks are same, the player who have less damage wins.
But if the player grabs the cliff 60 or more times, s/he loses.
(When both players grabs the cliff over 60 times, the less player wins)

When it comes sudden death but time over, players continues to fight.
But they cannot grab the cliff as a special rule, even though grab the cliff a time, the player loses.

1-7. Errors during the match
When errors occur, the previous situations(stage, stocks, %) are replicated as far as they can.(players don't have to replicate cheap play)

1-8. Laggy case
When the player the match is too laggy, s/he can inform of the organizer as a taunt till 09:00, and no stocks are lost.
# The case that it takes more than 30 seconds the organizer suicide, or the case of error, s/he can inform within 30 seconds in when the organizer suicide.
When the organizer feel it's laggy also cancel the match, but the organizer dosen't feel, the match continues.
Even when the player feels it's laggy, the match is cancelled and next player's turn.
It might be cancelled on the way the match.

 

[okawa]

1-9. Promoting and demoting
The player gains 1 point by winning, the player loses 1 point by losing.
With +3 points the player promotes, with -3 points the player demotes.
Points are kept even if the tournament ends up.
(1st rank players don't keep their points if their points are less than 0)

1-10. Special rules for the 1st rank
When the tournament ends up, the player have to break as below rule.
+1, +2 : no penalties
0 : break 3 times
-1 : break 4 times
-2 : break 5 times
-3 : lose the right to participate any tournaments at that day and break 6 times
This rule is also effective even when the player cancels his character(s).
# When participants are short of the tournament, these players can participate it.
But in case of that, the less penalty player has priority to participate that.

 

[okawa]

2. Rules for organizers
The organizer choose Jigglypuff as a character, and choose a stage but 3 stages as above.
When the organizer loses the last stock, s/he have to commit suicide by breaking own shield.
When the organizer finished suicide, s/he have to call the start of the match.
When challengers choose Lucario, the organizer change from 3 stocks, 10:00 to 12 stocks, 11:00 in order not to weaken Lucario.

When the 1st match of the tournament, players have to join as the order,
and from next matches, the next player have to join where the loser of the previous match gets out.

When a player promotes, the organizer offer a reserve in his/her livestreaming channel.
When in the 1st lap, up to 1 reserve. And a reserve player joins the last of the lap.
When 2nd and more lap, reserve player is required, the organizer is able to offer a reserve per a lap, s/he cannot offer 2 or more reserves in 1 lap.

codicils by the translator
I couldn't translate here, because the original sentence has strange meaning.

 

[okawa]

3. Name at Dan i sen
The player cannot change his/her name.
Even if s/he want, s/he have to cancel your account, and s/he has to win the Begginer rank again.
The player's name is confirmed when the player win the Begginer rank.
But if s/he registered the different name as usual, the organizer might write his/her usual name.

When the player joins the room, s/he has to use same name.
But if his/her name is too long not to fill in the name field, s/he can use abbreviation of it.
after joined the room, the player can change his/her name.

 

[okawa]

4. Conditions to be a participant
The challenger choose the opponent which the organizer choose in advance,
and when the challenger win the opponent, the challenger gain 1st rank.
The challenger only can challenge 1 person, 1 time a day.
The time is adapted when the challenger comments.
# for example : the challenger comments at 23:59 10th, s/he also can comments 11th even if the challenger has a match in 11th.

When the challenger defeats, s/he gains 1st rank.
And the challenger has to use the same character when s/he promotes to 1st rank.
When s/he'd like to change his/her character, s/he has to cancel the character, and defeats the organizer's character again.
His/her points are reset when s/he cancels, and his/her rank is 1st again, points are 0 again.
Whatever the challenger cannot use any alias.

codicils by the translator
I guess this section says about Beginer rank.

 

[okawa]

5. Canceling
The player cannot participate any Beginer rank tournaments for 1 week.
# When the player has 2 or more character, s/he can participate other character(s).
After canceling, s/he cannot cancel again for 90 days.
S/he cannot cancel canceling.

When the player wants canceling, call in smacom or the community of Dan i sen.

codicils by the translator
smacom is here http://smacom2.mysns.tv/
it's Japanese Smashbros. community site

 

[okawa]

6. Livestreaming at Niconico Namahouso
The organizer basially has to offer participants in the livestreaming comments.
And s/he has to choose the participants by random when there are too many participants.
The chosen players have to participate as the order, and have knockout competition.

And if the player dosen't have wi-fi probrems, s/he also can livestream in his/her own channel.

Niconico Namahouso is here http://live.nicovideo.jp/
Organizers have to livestream when the tournament is held.

 

[okawa]

It's all.
I think this rules and regulations need doesn't say much. you need further explanation.
When you feel you want more explanation, ask me.
When you cannot make sense, ask me (but I cannot assert I could answer so that you make sense :s).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This is some pretty complicated stuff here....

 

[okawa]

Dan originally means 'steps'.
In this case, Dan and Dan i have same meaning.

If you guys don't feel strange to use the word rank instead of dan. I'll use it.

 

[okawa]

How about using 'tier' instead of rank?
But Can I say Ordinal expression with 'tier'?

1st tier, 2nd tier ...

 

[okawa]

At first, I'd like to discuss the proper word of 'Dan i sen' in english.
some says it's 'ranked match', but rank and dan is bit different.

for instance
Dan is better where the figure is higher.
1st Dan is the lowest. 2nd Dan is the next. 3rd is more better ....

Do you have ideas what is the proper word of Dan?

I've forgot to post it, sorry.

 

[okawa]

> Swampasaur
please ask me.
these rules and regulations are not good one, I think.
So I'd like to modify even better one for SSB4.

 

[okawa]

tier --> tiered match
rank --> ranked match
grade --> graded match
class --> classfied match

My idea is them. how about it?

 

[Niko Mar]

This is some pretty complicated stuff here....

Can I just play the game......................................

 

[PikaJew]

What.....?

 

[Substitution]

What.....?

I guess it goes as...
How to play.
You have an account, where you obtain a score
You fight opponents in lobbies, the host picks the first player, then the player picks a challenger that host picked in advance.
What happens is what I assume a Round Robin.
Your score goes up after defeating an opponent, losing to said opponent gets your points deducted.
When you get 3 points, you go up a rank, do the opposite, and you go down a rank.
Rules:
You can only challenge one player a day.
When you win as a certain character (lets say Mario), Mario's rank goes up, but you'd have to keep playing as Mario.
If you decide to pick another character, what happens is something called canceling.
If you "cancel", you can't participate for a week, and can't cancel again for 90 days. Though you can avoid this by having more than one main.
Also your points go down to zero, and you go down to the 1st rank.

Hope it helps...

 

[SKM_NeoN]

I assume this is a Japanese ranking system used by the community for games that don't have a ranking system of its own, correct? That's awesome. The idea of bringing it to an international level is quite intriguing.

 

[okawa]

>MisterVideoGaminv
thankts your supplement.

>Rules:
>You can only challenge one player a day.
>When you win as a certain character (lets say Mario), Mario's rank goes up, but you'd have to keep playing as Mario.
Here referes to Beginger rank.
When you defeats the opponent( Beginer ranks's oponent is one of organizers ), you should continue to choose that character.

>SKM_Neon
>I assume this is a Japanese ranking system used by the community for games that don't have a ranking system of its own, correct? That's awesome.

yeah. But when in the videogame center, it seemss some play these ranking match.

 

[okawa]

Anyway These Rules and Regulations are strange and not considered so much.
I would like to consider next Regulations together. Could you help me?

 

[Ryuga]

Loving this idea.

 

[okawa]

I don't think everyone could understand these rules and regulations.
So I need to have more explains. Everyone can ask me more questions~

 

[Xiao-Xiao]

I can understand the gist of this rule system. It is interesting, but just needs to be rewritten in clearer English. I'd imagine this same ranking system is used in Martial Arts as well right? Studying those might give a broader understanding.

-Stridez

 

[okawa]

> but just needs to be rewritten in clearer English.
yeah. It's absolutely needed. My english is still more.
I want you all to translate them into.

> I'd imagine this same ranking system is used in Martial Arts as well right?
Sorry, I dunno it, tell me please.

 

[Xiao-Xiao]

Martial Arts= Karate, Kung Fu, TaiKwonDo, etc.

In martial arts institutions where people study these fighting styles (also known as dojos), the dan ranking system is present there as well. http://www.usadojo.com/learning-center/dan-ranking-system.htm

People who have never heard of the term dan and how it is used can get a basic understanding from reading up on this.

 

[popsofctown]

I really like the idea of merging the american community with the Japanese community for smash 4, particularly if low-lag wifi is available for American players.
The unusual rules listed by okawa here highlight the need for more communication and collaboration across the pacific.

The purpose of the Wario fart rule is not immediately obvious to me.

 

[okawa]

> Xiao-Xiao
Thanks to your help, I have finally understood what the "Martial Arts" means.
And I answer your question, it's true. Many Japanese Martial Arts are applied these Dan Ranking systems.
(Tae kwon do is not japanese martial arts, but korean's.)

Okay then, we will consider using words that has relation to dan or something.

> popsofctown
Your name is difficult to pronounce for me XD.
> the american community with the Japanese community for smash 4, particularly if low-lag wifi is available for American players.
But actually there's a big problem among us. Of course we have a big lag ( and time-zone difference ). And I guess even if SSB4 is out, the lag-problem is not solved.
So for now, I have a plan to compete only for same locale players ( of course to avoid the lags ). But I also have a plan the ranking ( and score ) is worldwide.

> The purpose of the Wario fart rule is not immediately obvious to me.
Till the organizer finish suicide, Wario can save their waft about a half minute.
For the purpose to avoid this, when the match starts, Wario have to use down-till B.
I hope you've got my words.

 

[Seraphim.]

Slightly different rules than what I'm used to, but I get the general idea of it. Great idea too.

 

[Meelow]

Seems interesting, I'm excited!

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

ZSS not being allowed to use her armor pieces is just bizarre; it's a part of the character. Also, I don't think this is really the best way to arrange ranked matchs with the extrenal system; requiring a third party to be present in the match introduces a lot of practical problems (it's a huge lag increase and it messes with the timing of time sensitive events both from characters like Wario, R.O.B., and the Pokemon Trainer as well as the progression of most stages... even on Smashville, you have a moving platform and random balloons to consider).

SSB4 will hopefully have a more usable replay system; if that's the case, just have both players submit their replays along with their result claims, and if there's a disagreement, judges can sort it out. If it's impossible to determine who is lying, just give neither credit but keep track of the dispute, and if any player accumulates an unacceptable number of such disputes, you can assume they're always lying, ban them, and retroactively give credit for all previous disputes to the otherwise reputable players they lied about beating.

 

[Xiao-Xiao]

I'm pretty sure it means you can't use the item pieces until the host of the match has killed himself, which is fair.

edit: This system has been used in Japan without fail since the games release, and it works fine because Japan's internet line is very consistent. But here we have freedom be flexible even if the next games wifi isn't great (which would be very suprising). We can just omit the things in the ruleset that don't work for everyone, and change them so the rules make sense.

 

[okawa]

>Amazing Ampharos
> ZSS not being allowed.....
I have translated all of current japanese dan i sen rules as examples. But I think it's no use to have a debate about SSBB rules.
We should argue only regulations for now. Of course it's worth considering the difference the rules between outs and yours.

> SSB4 will hopefully have...
I suppose, originally SSBB dan i sen has also organized in order to gather audience and players in their live streaming.
So this rules strongly refer tournaments have to be live-broadcast.
And I also agree this rules, because when there're dan i sen. it seems it has a much fever. It's definitely interesting.