If you were in charge of roster picking for an upcoming Smash!!

[Burruni]

Warning: Roster is based on the concept of 10 DLC characters. PreBallot: Mewtwo, Lucas, Wolf, Roy Ryu & Ballot: King K. Rool, Inkling, Isaac, Bandana Dee, & Dixie Kong. And... is a bit optimistic in size.

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Returning Veterans & Cuts
Smash 4 Roster (w/ projected DLC) minus Dark Pit & Lucina and with Ice Climbers returning.

Newcomers
1) Waluigi - The King of Mario Spinoffs who keeps growing an odd but definitely present fanbase. Has the identity of a cheating technique character with an arsenal of tools.
2) Paper Mario - The potent RPG of the Mario-verse with a very open moveset potential. Seems like a good quirky Sakurai choice and more likely than Captain Toad to fill out a Marioverse line.
3) Ganon - The main antagonist of the Zelda series in the more occuring body. The heavy warlock with the trident of power. Zelda section of the roster is 2 Links, 2 Zeldas, 2 Ganons
4) Ridley - I honestly believe that by Smash 5, Sakurai's not going to be directing it, Ridley is going to have a bulkier body from a recent Metroid game which works better for a fighter, or both. Not much more needs to be said to accompany his raving support. I don't exactly like the matter but he's one of the more deserving character.
5) Krystal - Not a want thing but one that I foresee coming with Star Fox getting a lot of popularity back with Starfox Wii U and likely one other major release before Smash 5.
6) (Slot) Pokemon - Between gen 7 & 8 which will likely come before Smash 5, I expect for there to be someone worthy enought o take this reserved place... hopefully a grass type to finish that trinity.
7) Anna - Miss Fire Emblem with abundant appearances and growing into a more massive role in FE13 and a mysterious hidden role in 14 only furthers her point while being one of Intelligent System's favorites.
8) (Slot) Fire Emblem - I expect to see a major lord or other protagonist between 14-16 to continue the tradition... hopefully with a lance or axe. Yes, I put Fire Emblem to a roster of 5 unique fighters and a clone. Remove Roy is you're that upset about it.
9) Andy - Advance Wars is a series going on since the NES that I expect to get some love once FE14 comes out. Fire Emblem's lesser highlighted sister series. A mechanic with an army.
10) Chibi Robo - Quirky non-combattive moveset with recent highlighting. The Villager of Smash 4 choices.
11) Isabelle - With how big Animal Crossing is getting and how she's become the very iconic second face for it... I see it coming and could be a bit of a joke in that "assistant" moveset, ironically what I'd compare to WFT.
12) Marshal - Rhythm Heaven is a series that I'd love to see in Smash and Marshal was my choice of an "MC" to have a G&W styled moveset that's a motley celebration of the various microgames of the rhythm collection.
13) Takamaru - Retro of choice. An old favorite from when Sakurai was at the helm who got neglected due to a "lack of western knowledge" which is moot from VC and his role asn AT now.
14) (Slot) Xenoblade Chronicles X (or sequel) character - Xenoblade in terms of being a cult classic made well known by Smash, I consider it the Modern Day Mother series. Of course, characters couldn't quite be a clone of Shulk due to the lack of a Monado weapon but most likely Elma would be a fitting addition.
15) Shantae - The indie character tied heavily to Nintendo with a company that pushes all of their passion projects to the company before some ports. She as a character has a very Smash-centric kind of style that could fit well.
16) Black Mage - Square Enix and more specifically Final Fantasy is definitely a series that is of Megaman or Street Fighter calibur for defining a genre of gaming and mechanics of it. Black Mage being the incredibly iconic design of a class for the series that encaptures the Magic which made the series such a spectacle and has already appeared in Mario titles as of late.
17) Miigician - 4th Mii Fighter Type with a magical moveset. Simple as that.

 

[LemmyKoopa]

Well here's my roster! @Jakor for the Smash Roster maker!

It's what I think the final SSB4 roster will be.

Default Unlockable Returning DLC Newcomer DLC

The last two rows are my possibilities for the question mark next to Banjo and Kazooie.

Do you guys approve? I tried to mix what I wanted, what's popular, and what could be realistic.

(Who should I put as the question mark?)

 

[Amiiboshiibo]

You posted that twice, Lemmy.

 

[LemmyKoopa]

You posted that twice, Lemmy.

Honest mistake! I accidentally ed!

 

[Koopaul]

If I was in charge I'd put a cap on how many characters one franchise can get. Five. I'd make it five so that the roster can be more diverse. No more having 20-something Mario characters flooding the screen. Now we can focus on many other Nintendo franchises.

It will truly be a a roster that shows off Nintendo's library of characters and games.

You're probably wondering: "If Mario can only have 5 characters... Who are they?"

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Toad.

Rosalina and Bowser Jr. can be DLC after the game is released or if we have time to add them.

It's all about priorities. I would prioritize my development team to focus on new characters from new franchises.

If we have time, we can add more Mario characters.

 

[Burruni]

If I was in charge I'd put a cap on how many characters one franchise can get. Five. I'd make it five so that the roster can be more diverse. No more having 20-something Mario characters flooding the screen. Now we can focus on many other Nintendo franchises.

It will truly be a a roster that shows off Nintendo's library of characters and games.

1) Only when we are near 200 fighters would I ever think we'd see 20-something Mario characters.
2) "Shows off Nintendo's Library of Characters and Games" by cutting short major series that naturally have a more diverse character spread in the series that naturally work for being fighters?

I understand some of the passion behind that stance but that... isn't the best approach for it. There are a couple characters/series I'd love to see but taking it out on other deserving fighters from another series just because it has "too many characters from the series" seems lop sided.

 

[Mario123311]

And this is why I say letting the fans make the roster would lead to R.I.P Smash Bros

Dude, this isn't logical at all.

....And this is why I regret even clicking the link to this thread.

- Character from Animal Crossing film replacing Villager... has she even appeared in any AC game?

Considering she practically is the AC player and you can make a villager that looks like her... Kind of?

...Also you said I have "14 parties" ...I don't have any "14 party characters"... I don't even understand what you are trying to say. I didn't include anyone like Master Cheif or anyone from a console that's not even Nintendo per say.

Oh sorry, I probably didn't give you the roster you wanted. HERE is the roster I'm guessing you want :

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Joke aside, I still find it more logical than the ones asking for Geno and Klonoa: Nobody cares who they are at this point and they are even more obscure than Mr. Driller at this point.

 

[Burruni]

....And this is why I regret even clicking the link to this thread.


Considering she practically is the AC player and you can make a villager that looks like her... Kind of?

...Also you said I have "14 parties" ...I don't have any "14 party characters"... I don't even understand what you are trying to say. I didn't include anyone like Master Cheif or anyone from a console that's not even Nintendo per say.

They said you have "14 Third-Parties" By that, they mean 14 characters from a third party company who have made appeareances to Nintendo but their IP or Character Rights are not owned BY Nintendo. Brawl had 2, &. In Smash 4, we have a total of 3 with a 4th on the way: & Ryu. Yours were: Bomberman, Snake, Chocobo, Slime, Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, Megaman, Roll, Sonic, Tails, AiAi, Morrigan, Felicia, and Shantae.

The grounds about the complaints about the 6 Pokemon trainers is that the way by which you describe them would be 18 characters in that one slot. 3 unique pokemon per generation. THAT is a massive time sink for development.

And the issue about Ai replacing Villager is that you have a "nameless" version of a character who uses two of their iconic base designs (namely from cover art, in multiple titles) and replacing them with the named face... from a film. The equivilent of replacing with Ash.... except that Ash has been a long-running staple that has been going alongside the main series and the film was a one-off that never even saw a western release.

That's excluding the matters that you added a Punch-Out newcomer... which is one of 3 Nintendo newcomers on the entire roster who ISN'T a part of that convoluted Pokemon Trainer idea.

 

[Amiiboshiibo]

That's excluding the matters that you added a Punch-Out newcomer... which is one of 3 Nintendo newcomers on the entire roster who ISN'T a part of that convoluted Pokemon Trainer idea.

And let's not forget that this Punch-Out!! character is not an important one like Bald Bull or Mr. Sandman.

 

[Mario123311]

Aaaaand now I'm feeling even more bad to the point that I want to remove my post. Thanks.

And let's not forget that this Punch-Out!! character is not an important one like Bald Bull or Mr. Sandman.

I honestly originally wanted Super Macho Man but you probably don't know the program I am using to make this, do you?
WELP... I offically hate everything now. ((Just tried to make a roster I dreamed of that was somehow logical and this happens...))

 

[Amiiboshiibo]

Aaaaand now I'm feeling even more bad to the point that I want to remove my post. Thanks.


I honestly originally wanted Super Macho Man but you probably don't know the program I am using to make this, do you?
WELP... I offically hate everything now. ((Just tried to make a roster I dreamed of that was somehow logical and this happens...))

Don't feel bad. It's okay to have an unrealistic wishlist, we all do. I want Baby Bowser and Funky Kong.

Just don't call it "logical"

 

[Mario123311]

Don't feel bad. It's okay to have an unrealistic wishlist, we all do. I want Baby Bowser and Funky Kong.

Just don't call it "logical"

I only called it "More logical" than well, the ones that have characters that are well, on my "ALL OF MY NO" list. ((Ridley, Klonoa and Geno only being a FEW of them))

 

[Amiiboshiibo]

I only called it "More logical" than well, the ones that have characters that are well, on my "ALL OF MY NO" list. ((Ridley, Klonoa and Geno only being a FEW of them))

I actually agree with that, mostly because I think all of them would be very boring.

 

[Mario123311]

Made something somewhat MORE believable in a way... I doubt alot of these alt coustumes would make it in but... It would be nice to imagine at least. ((a Villager costume of Ai seems possible though so I'll leave that there))

Also the Low-Poly Villager is supposed to represent GCN-styled Villager costumes with the viking hats and cone hats.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I gotta ask: why Piplup of all the Pokemon?

 

[Mario123311]

I gotta ask: why Piplup of all the Pokemon?

I thought of it being some sort of "author appeal" TBH... And he was someone I wanted as a replacement for Pichu in Brawl. ((And if it wasn't obvious, I'd say he was my favorite Pokemon.))

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

If the fans were in charge of roster picking for an upcoming smash, then rest in peace Smash Bros.

- Too many third parties
- The introductions of terrible fourth parties (Shrek, Goku, ect.).
- The addition of video game characters that never had a Nintendo release
- Going crazy with the "left out of the field" choices
- Overrepresentation on certain franchises regardless of them being big or small.

Just the thought of this stuff would be enough to give anyone nightmares. *shudders*

 

[Amiiboshiibo]

If I were in charge, I'd remove every character and make it strictly a Wario game.

I scare myself.

 

[Burruni]

- Too many third parties
- The introductions of terrible fourth parties (Shrek, Goku, ect.).
- The addition of video game characters that never had a Nintendo release
- Going crazy with the "left out of the field" choices
- Overrepresentation on certain franchises regardless of them being big or small.

Just the thought of this stuff would be enough to give anyone nightmares. *shudders*

Aaand this is why I tried to balance personal picks and those who were likely. I think my biggest bias picks were Waluigi and Anna.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Aaaaand now I'm feeling even more bad to the point that I want to remove my post. Thanks.


I honestly originally wanted Super Macho Man but you probably don't know the program I am using to make this, do you?
WELP... I offically hate everything now. ((Just tried to make a roster I dreamed of that was somehow logical and this happens...))

You cant walk into a thread insulting people (calling them illogical)and fanbases
(Geno ridley) and then expect people to pity
you after you get called out for it.
Treat others the way you want to be treated and all that.

 

[Mario123311]

You cant walk into a thread insulting people (calling them illogical)and fanbases
(Geno ridley) and then expect people to pity
you after you get called out for it.
Treat others the way you want to be treated and all that.

Can you stop adding fuel to the fire please? It's passed. But I have the right to say that Geno and Ridley are people I NEVER want to see in Smash due to how their rabbid fans won't shut up about them. I've barely played enough of SMRPG to get to where Geno is and Ridley? Don't get me wrong he is one of Nintendo's iconic monsters... Note I said monster. He's not a character, you simply can't make him work without him being broken or something. And don't even get me started on Klonoa fans who say that an obscure character should be put in over Pac-Man.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Can you stop adding fuel to the fire please? It's passed. But I have the right to say that Geno and Ridley are people I NEVER want to see in Smash due to how their rabbid fans won't shut up about them. I've barely played enough of SMRPG to get to where Geno is and Ridley? Don't get me wrong he is one of Nintendo's iconic monsters... Note I said monster. He's not a character, you simply can't make him work without him being broken or something. And don't even get me started on Klonoa fans who say that an obscure character should be put in over Pac-Man.

Dont say stop adding fuel to the fire and then proceed to immediately insult multiple characters. You're obviously baiting a response by straight up insulting characters.

Now i dont want a warning so i wont argue with you but if you actually arent trolling really think about this, and im serious think about it, but if you dont want to add fuel to the fire why would you go ahead and keep commenting and insulting?

 

[Mario123311]

Dont say stop adding fuel to the fire and then proceed to immediately insult multiple characters. You're obviously baiting a response by straight up insulting characters.

Now i dont want a warning so i wont argue with you but if you actually arent trolling really think about this, and im serious think about it, but if you dont want to add fuel to the fire why would you go ahead and keep commenting and insulting?

No, What I mean is I hate having things shoved down my throat everywhere I practically go. "GENO!" "ZOMG PLZ ADD GENO" will get on your nerves pretty quickly.

Now can we all just forget about anything now.

((And before you ask, Yes I am serious about me being generally annoyed at these characters because I hear about them too much I don't want to hear it anymore.))

 

[Koopaul]

1) Only when we are near 200 fighters would I ever think we'd see 20-something Mario characters.
2) "Shows off Nintendo's Library of Characters and Games" by cutting short major series that naturally have a more diverse character spread in the series that naturally work for being fighters?

I understand some of the passion behind that stance but that... isn't the best approach for it. There are a couple characters/series I'd love to see but taking it out on other deserving fighters from another series just because it has "too many characters from the series" seems lop sided.

"Naturally work for being fighters"? Are you kidding me? This is Smash Bros. It doesn't matter what kind of character it is, it can be a fighter. How creative that fighter is is up to the development team. Bowser Jr. could have been a bland Bowser clone if thethe team was running out of time. Dr. Mario could have had a completely original move set if they wanted to give him one. Its all up to the developer's imagination... And time!

Here's the thing. We only have so much development time to make characters. Think realistically. More time spent on Mario characters means less time spent on other characters. I HAVE to cut some characters. And if some characters must be cut, it should be from a franchise that has plenty already.

 

[SmashShadow]

DLC for this game:
Isaac
K.rool
Dixie Kong
Bandana Dee

Newsomers:
Captain Toad
Chibi-Robo
Krystal
Andy (advance wars)
Wonder Red
Inkling
Sceptile
Xenoblade chronicles X protagonist
Bomberman (3rd Party)
Rayman (3rd Party)
FE IF protgonist (if they have interesting moves)
Cranky Kong
Ashley
Impa

Major changes in moveset:
Ganondorf
Dark Pit

Returning Cuts:
Ice Climbers

Alts:
Doc
Lucina

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Oh sorry, I probably didn't give you the roster you wanted. HERE is the roster I'm guessing you want :

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Joke aside, I still find it more logical than the ones asking for Geno and Klonoa: Nobody cares who they are at this point and they are even more obscure than Mr. Driller at this point.

I just pointed out that your roster is not very logical... there's no need to be rude.

 

[Schnee117]

He's not a character, you simply can't make him work without him being broken or something.

Palutena's a Goddess. Yet she's far from broken. I'd say she needs buffs and a better default Special moveset.
Ganondorf's only weakness is the Master Sword and Light Arrows. Little Mac can Punch him Out of the stage.
Shulk in the form he currently his would be really weak against the human side of the cast. But he isn't.

Being broken is far from an issue.
You need some leeway between being accurate to the character and keeping them balanced for the game.

Ridley's a Space Dragon with the defining characteristics of being an intelligent but murderous creature with extreme cruelty.
It's more character than the Villager and even Mario. We also have Miis so the character complaint is really a non-issue.

 

[Mario123311]

I think this has turned into ****post galore now... ((Why did I even enter this thread?))

 

[Schnee117]

I think this has turned into ****post galore now... ((Why did I even enter this thread?))

You wouldn't have gotten such back slash if you hadn't said your roster was "the most logical", didn't insult people or fanbases and showing a lack of knowledge in areas.

I commend you on the boldness of the roster but some of the stuff you said has people questioning it.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Warning: Roster is based on the concept of 10 DLC characters. PreBallot: Mewtwo, Lucas, Wolf, Roy Ryu & Ballot: King K. Rool, Inkling, Isaac, Bandana Dee, & Dixie Kong. And... is a bit optimistic in size.

Spoiler

Returning Veterans & Cuts
Smash 4 Roster (w/ projected DLC) minus Dark Pit & Lucina and with Ice Climbers returning.

Newcomers
1) Waluigi - The King of Mario Spinoffs who keeps growing an odd but definitely present fanbase. Has the identity of a cheating technique character with an arsenal of tools.
2) Paper Mario - The potent RPG of the Mario-verse with a very open moveset potential. Seems like a good quirky Sakurai choice and more likely than Captain Toad to fill out a Marioverse line.
3) Ganon - The main antagonist of the Zelda series in the more occuring body. The heavy warlock with the trident of power. Zelda section of the roster is 2 Links, 2 Zeldas, 2 Ganons
4) Ridley - I honestly believe that by Smash 5, Sakurai's not going to be directing it, Ridley is going to have a bulkier body from a recent Metroid game which works better for a fighter, or both. Not much more needs to be said to accompany his raving support. I don't exactly like the matter but he's one of the more deserving character.
5) Krystal - Not a want thing but one that I foresee coming with Star Fox getting a lot of popularity back with Starfox Wii U and likely one other major release before Smash 5.
6) (Slot) Pokemon - Between gen 7 & 8 which will likely come before Smash 5, I expect for there to be someone worthy enought o take this reserved place... hopefully a grass type to finish that trinity.
7) Anna - Miss Fire Emblem with abundant appearances and growing into a more massive role in FE13 and a mysterious hidden role in 14 only furthers her point while being one of Intelligent System's favorites.
8) (Slot) Fire Emblem - I expect to see a major lord or other protagonist between 14-16 to continue the tradition... hopefully with a lance or axe. Yes, I put Fire Emblem to a roster of 5 unique fighters and a clone. Remove Roy is you're that upset about it.
9) Andy - Advance Wars is a series going on since the NES that I expect to get some love once FE14 comes out. Fire Emblem's lesser highlighted sister series. A mechanic with an army.
10) Chibi Robo - Quirky non-combattive moveset with recent highlighting. The Villager of Smash 4 choices.
11) Isabelle - With how big Animal Crossing is getting and how she's become the very iconic second face for it... I see it coming and could be a bit of a joke in that "assistant" moveset, ironically what I'd compare to WFT.
12) Marshal - Rhythm Heaven is a series that I'd love to see in Smash and Marshal was my choice of an "MC" to have a G&W styled moveset that's a motley celebration of the various microgames of the rhythm collection.
13) Takamaru - Retro of choice. An old favorite from when Sakurai was at the helm who got neglected due to a "lack of western knowledge" which is moot from VC and his role asn AT now.
14) (Slot) Xenoblade Chronicles X (or sequel) character - Xenoblade in terms of being a cult classic made well known by Smash, I consider it the Modern Day Mother series. Of course, characters couldn't quite be a clone of Shulk due to the lack of a Monado weapon but most likely Elma would be a fitting addition.
15) Shantae - The indie character tied heavily to Nintendo with a company that pushes all of their passion projects to the company before some ports. She as a character has a very Smash-centric kind of style that could fit well.
16) Black Mage - Square Enix and more specifically Final Fantasy is definitely a series that is of Megaman or Street Fighter calibur for defining a genre of gaming and mechanics of it. Black Mage being the incredibly iconic design of a class for the series that encaptures the Magic which made the series such a spectacle and has already appeared in Mario titles as of late.
17) Miigician - 4th Mii Fighter Type with a magical moveset. Simple as that.

Your roster is my dream roster
K.Rool
Ridley
Ganon Beast

 

[Mario123311]

I never said it was "the most logical of all". I was saying it was at least "more logical than the ones that ruin theirs with Geno and such"... And I only said that because I was sick of seeing such obscure/impossible characters on such lists. don't think I'll be coming back to this thread now, honestly.

 

[Amiiboshiibo]

I never said it was "the most logical of all". I was saying it was at least "more logical than the ones that ruin theirs with Geno and such"... And I only said that because I was sick of seeing such obscure/impossible characters on such lists. don't think I'll be coming back to this thread now, honestly.

- Says obscure characters ruin fake rosters
- Adds character from a Japanese only movie in their fake roster

Quality logic.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I never said it was "the most logical of all". I was saying it was at least "more logical than the ones that ruin theirs with Geno and such"... And I only said that because I was sick of seeing such obscure/impossible characters on such lists. don't think I'll be coming back to this thread now, honestly.

"obscure characters"
*roster has a character from a japanese only movie (not even a game)*

uh huh.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I never said it was "the most logical of all". I was saying it was at least "more logical than the ones that ruin theirs with Geno and such"... And I only said that because I was sick of seeing such obscure/impossible characters on such lists. don't think I'll be coming back to this thread now, honestly.

- says that including Ridley/Geno ruins the roster
- creates roster with 14 third-parties, 18-in-1 character and obscure Japan-only non-video game character
- calls it more logical

 

[Mario123311]

....I honestly don't want to come to this thread ever again, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut for a few years then. I regret even saying anything anymore.

If possible I would like this to all be deleted at this point. I really don't want to be reminded of this.

 

[Mrrp_The_Sheep]

Well then, what an interesting thread... (best part is, I made the icon of the villager girl)
I am just going to post my roster in here and see what happens

 

[Mario123311]

Okay, Before anything I just want to point out I am severly sorry for all of the drama in this thread now. ((I am a ****ing idiot))

But there is a few things I want to disclose:

1. Why did I replace Villager with Ai in my early roster? Well, Smash has given quite a few nods to a few of it's animated spin-offs, Even if they were obscure. ((One example being Luigi's anime colors in 4.)) And technically she would have probably kept the name "Villager" across shores but with a different look as some sort of nod and such... Then again I hear about people unhappy about the Pokemon Anime getting any nods at all, even "Pokemon Speak" in general...

2. Klonoa and Geno are people who honestly haven't even had many games, Geno was in, well 1 Mario game and has not appeared since and yet people want him in just for appeal even though we clearly have enough of the Mario cast. Klonoa on the other hand is a touch'e subject that gets me riled up due to the fact there are people out there who bash Pac-Man claiming this obscure little Sonic-like creature that makes Bubsy look interesting (IMO) should be put in over Namco's main mascot and face of gaming alone. Ridley? Well, I am just with Sakurai with that one: I don't think he could be put in without being utterly butchered. And I have seen a sized down Ridley for Brawl... it looked ******** in all honesty.

((Hey, Maybe he can be put in and prove me wrong. I have yet to see)) And why I blame the people who keep requesting them? Well, Sakurai already calls them what I think fits best. "Children". Sometimes we can't cater to everyone now can we? And yeah I somewhat put too many 3rd party characters in my first roster but that was me trying to cater to you all without putting in anything "out of the ordinary". Would you rather me put in Goku or Shrek or characters that are actually somewhat related to Nintendo and such.

And again, It's okay to want a certain character in. I wanted Mr. Driller to be in for a while but don't go around calling Geno "Very likely to get in".

3. I never called my first roster "completely logical". I only was saying, pretty much: "Sad thing is this roster is more believable than a lot of the rosters I see online". And I say that because I see plenty of ridiculous ones with characters that aren't even Nintendo like Master Chief, would outright not work in my eyes, Or are filled with uninteresting/generic characters... We already have plenty of sword fighters honestly.

4. Maybe I'll use this roster for a fangame honestly. We'll see. I still think it's less boring/messed up as Super Smash Flash 2's roster.
((Which excluded for christs sake.))


Now that I'm done all I would like to ask is to completely move on from this drama, I already seen enough from the ZDoom forums, most especially with Brutal Doom's (racist and socialpathic) creator. Play nice and honestly, again: You all have dream rosters and I don't reply directly to yours with a bashing.

((Lovely how many things can set a majority of a fandom off))

 

[Zerp]

Yellow is what I'd add if I went insane with my bias.
Red is unlockable.
Green is alts, and as much as I want Jirachi, it would be a bit crazy to add him right now, so he's alt for Mew.

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Changes to vets:
is now default skin, is the alt, restores the shoulder bash as his f-smash, d-air is butt bounce, and B is now a command grab that leads to Ring-a-Ding Toss or him rapidly shaking a victim.

Sing is now a "charge" move, meaning the longer you hold it down, the larger it gets. Rollout is replaced with a music note projectile, that is slow but sends the opponent to sleep. She is also given buffs to ensure she is even stronker than Brawl Meta Knight.

Despite how much I harbor negative feelings about him, is now Luigified to differentiate himself from , it would be a disservice to his fans not to. His neutral B is now charged in the same fashion as Little Mac's KO Punch, his side B is now a dash where he thrusts his sword forward, lighting anything touched by it aflame. His final smash is a single sword swing, which engulfs the whole stage in a fire.

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Newcomers:

Pretty much the no-brainer Mario newcomer.

Paper Mario deserves to have a rep for itself, and he'd be very unique, he can turn into a paper airplane, toss a literal living Watt, and even ride a Yoshi for a bit.

Kirby is a franchise in need of expansion, and Bandana Dee is the fourth main character.

If Fire Emblem has 4 reps, Kirby can definitely have 5. Not only that, Dark Matter is far and away one of the more unique newcomers.
Impa: No explanation neccesary, no?

Groose is quite polarizing, but the good traits from adding him are far too much for me to ignore him.

King K. Rool is one of those characters who is probably quite a bit overdue at this point. Really no reason not to add him.

His franchise doesn't have a rep yet, and he fits like a glove in smash.

Metroid needs another rep, and Dark Samus is actually quite unique, despite the name.

Probably the most "What?!" out of all my roster choices, but let me explain. He represents all the super-rare pokemon (that you'll never get ) and has the most moveset variety out of any pokemon not named smeargle. Moveset would be based his energy Bubbles and psychic moves so he has no conflict with his alts, Jirachi, Celebi, Manaphy, and Victini.

Will pick up again later.

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[MeleeMario64]

I know well how crazy people go over characters they want.
I've seen some people where you say one bad thing about their precious most wanted and they get all

Not bashing ANYONE in the recent posts here.At all.

I still think it's less boring/messed up as Super Smash Flash 2's roster.
((Which excluded for christs sake.))

Yeah,I really don't understand Lloyd over Pac-Man.PAC-MAN.In a game that's about gaming all-stars,that's pretty illogical.

 

[Kevandre]

-No more than 70 characters. I feel this limit is more than enough to fit as many newcomers as you can push in.
-No more than 2 newcomers to a series. This is simply to avoid oversaturation of a series with representatives.
-You can cut up to 5 characters off the Smash 4 roster. Don't want 'em in your hypothetical roster? Get rid of 'em!
-You can have up to 5 third party characters. Wanna bring back Snake? Think Rayman deserves a home in Smash? Throw 'em in!
-Mii Fighters can count either as 1 slot together or 1 fighter per archetype, your choice

As much as I would love to see die, I'd be a hypocrite if I removed any characters. No cuts, all characters return, but not necessarily like you saw them before.

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(Hopefully he's as good as )
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- She's never felt right to me. At least in her Smash attacks. I feel like manages to have more Samus-y Smash attacks than Samus does. I'd change those up a bit for sure rather than just "Hey my cannon can have a little bit of Fire come out of it!" Also would give her Shinespark, a very difficult to pull off but very useful maneuver.

- I know he probably took the least development time of all the characters, but can you talk about wasted potential? Pit uses several of KIU's weapon types, but disregards others altogether. Pittoo could seriously take advantage of the leftover weaponry and be a real heavy hitter with clubs, palms, cannons, claws... A very easy moveset to visualize.

- I'm not saying turn him into (Mainly because he's coming back too) but Falco really needs to differentiate himself even further. I'd even say he should have a completely different moveset. Or, fine. If you want him to be Fox-like, make him and then give a totally original moveset of his own. It makes more sense for the Starfox team to have similar training. At the very least get rid of the ****ing landmaster.

- I don't even have to say anything here, do I? Everyone's said it a thousand times. Make him either like Project M or make him like Hyrule Warriors (Which is my preferred option).

- Look, it makes sense lore-wise why she would fight like . But at the same time, from the Awakening cutscenes, we know that Lucina and Chrom are a lot more... acrobatic than Marth. Do the ol' flippy-flippy move they both did in the Arena Ferox battle scene. Etc. She could have a very original moveset for herself, which is good because I need to be .

- Don't change his A-moves at all, they're great (Except that they suck compared to in all ways). But give him less-standard Specials. Toon Link should really embrace more of the cartoonish world that he comes from. Use a Deku Leaf for both up B and forward B. Up B to quickly rise up (Like 's kind of) but characters that land on the leaf also get carried up. Forward B to blow opponents backward, but also blowing him backward. Think like Vulcan's Backfire Attack from Smite, but without doing actual damage, just blowing them back. Final Smash bringing out the Wind Waker and making everyone else's gravity be messed up, like the Flying Type Pokemon Stadium 2? Again, potential, potential, potential. Wasted.

- Just make him again. Please. Literally just port in, change nothing.
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- I wasn't a huge Squirtle fan in Brawl, but I could see why other people were. I wouldn't really change much, though I might make his Water Gun become Scald instead.

- The Project M was the finest fighter to ever grace Smash Bros's halls. I'll take her without any changes from the PM version.

- Like I said, we may give this guy's old moveset. Wolf doesn't need to fight like a modified . He should be a lot more vicious, act more like a Wolf. Still use guns etc but he could really be original. Would even be down for quadrupedal version.

- He's almost right, but that down Smash attack is appalling. He could use some different explosives if necessary, though I should play an MGS game before deciding his future past that.

- If the hardware permits it, I don't see why they shouldn't return, unchanged.

- I've explained this before. -style Mask changing between the Deku, Zora and Goron forms. The movesets take care of themselves. Final Smash clearly Fierce Deity.

- Just gimme . , not . Not that there's anything WRONG with but it just wasn't the same.

- Still okay being what he was. A joke character, but still a beloved one. I know a Pichu main IRL and she's not terrible.
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That leaves me with 11 newcomer slots if I'm stuck with 70 characters (And counting as one). Though I pretty much made ,, , , & into newcomers since they're totally different cats now. All that said, I'm not still counting as newcomers so stuff your rules, friend.

My 9 newcomers, in order of NEED

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Paper Mario - Paper Mario

Paper Mario possibly has the biggest potential of any character ever. He could/should be a summoning-type character where his special moves are all based on partners from all the games. So damn good. Token new Mario character as well. "But hurr we already have Regular Mario, Doctor Mario & Green Mario, why do we need a 4th one?" Because **** you, that's why. Paper Mario would by no means be a clone and would represent a glorious RPG series. Sorry Geno fans... I only picked one Mario RPG-related character.[/collapse]

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Dixie Kong - Donkey Kong Country

Dixie is just lovely. She needs to be in Smash just so bad. And not as a Diddy clone (Which doesn't make sense to begin with). She could have just such a lovely hair-based moveset. Bam. She's a great character, Tropical Freeze really made me like her more than I had before. Donkey Kong really needs more representation. Dixie's a great start to that. (Spoiler for Newcomer #3)[/collapse]

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King K Rool - Donkey Kong Country

We're taking care of the DK series in a Kirby/Brawl-esque way. We realize this probably means no DK characters for a few more games, and that's fine. Let's get them in it. How he hasn't been in Smash yet is absolutely astounding. He's a major villain in a major Nintendo series and it's not like he's 2big or anything like that. He's a very quirky character... He could be so fun! [/collapse]

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Banjo & Kazooie - Banjo-Kazooie

I really don't even need to say anything here... Everyone loves Banjo & Kazooie. ****ing glorious. A perfect fit for Smash. Make it happen!

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Kamek - Numerous Yoshi & Mario games

Kamek is an interesting choice, he could be the first truly ranged magician in the series. Imagine it! He can teleport around and shoot off various Playstation-Buttons at his enemies... Like a more mobile, lighter Zelda, maybe? But almost all ranged moves. Also brings in the broomstick.

Bear in mind, Kamek is primarily a Yoshi series character. He'd have the Egg icon.

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Inkling - Splatoon

The Inklings have a lot of potential as a kind of support-type character... Like, useful on their own but really shine when it comes to teams. Throw some paint down on the ground and your team mates move faster on it and your enemies are slowed. Not like super different speeds but a nice enough difference. A bunch of different weapons make for a varied moveset.
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Isaac - Golden Sun

To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure that Isaac is going to be Smash 4 DLC. But if he's not, well, he should be in Smash 5. I've never played Golden Sun but I really feel like the game has a big fanbase and that his moveset could be incredibly original and fun.

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Chibi Robo - Chibi Robo

Sorry, haven't done a Sunset Shores-flavored Silhouette for him yet. At some point, almost certainly.

I loved the GCN Chibi Robo game. And I really feel like they're working to give him more recognizability and move potential with the recent game reveal and the Photo-Finder game. I'm not sure if he'd start as a fighter or evolve like did, but I would just throw him in there, since he's Nintendo's Belmont now, apparently.

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Impa - Legend of Zelda

She's deserving, and she's really the last Zelda character who needs to show up. I couldn't leave her out, especially when I have three Links...

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Kamui - Fire Emblem If

We'll see how If is, but I've got a feeling it'll be a walk in the park. Kamui seems to be a totally distinct type of character from despite similar status, or being a kind of merge between the two in the new game. She could and should be a totally original character fighting style, but I know how people feel about FE's representation as it is, especially with me bringing back, which is the only reason she is so low on this list.

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Ridley - Metroid

I understand Sakurai's reasoning for keeping him out, but I think he's a little obstinate about the whole thing. Ridley could be the largest character in the game, yes, but that's not too bad. He doesn't have to be absolutely enormous to still be imposing. I think of him as the anti-Mac as well, he'd be absolutely FANTASTIC in the air, but pretty useless on the ground. Aerial Smash Attacks, More flaps than anyone, etc. He could be amazing and I think he deserves a shot. Plus, Metroid really does deserve more characters and there's nobody from the series who could fill that role better than Ridley.

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Breaking the rules here but it barely counts as a newcomer...
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