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But...he still the Knee. Is there a joke I'm missing?
It's much less glorious than it used to be. The active frames for a perfectknee have been greatly reduced and set ups are much harder to pull off.
Oh yeah, that reminds me.
Oh. Well, that's to be expected. Anything that was like that in Melee got nerfed. Fox's up smash, Rest, Fire Jump Punch, etc. Would you rather have Brawl's Knee?
& to make them a bit more unique rather then just clone characters.
This, I don't understand this change. Z-drop was fine in previous games.
That's Rage. That's why Rage is stupid and must be eradicated.
This complain confuses me, considering that nobody complains about the even-larger numbers of neutral special projectiles and up special recoveries.
Because recoveries and most projectiles (some exceptions include Pikachu's and Robin's projectiles) aren't so annoying compared to counters.
To be fair, it has ending lag which leaves someone open. Besides
Counters may be punishable when used out of place. But take for example any heavy character whose main killing moves are usually extraordinarily long winded smash attacks, down airs, etc. A counter may have a chunk of ending lag, but it doesn't compare to the amount of ending lag on a lot of these moves. A punish for one of these attempts should be being left open for the enemy to begin a combo or do a smash attack themselves (which will be comparatively a lot less powerful). The punish shouldn't be an easy down-b in order to hit with the more force and higher knockback, likely KOing them if close to the side of the stage at 50+ percent. I believe some characters should have counters, because for each character there should be some characters who deals with their options better than others. But sometimes it feels like because a majority of the cast has a counter, a majority of the cast possess a problem for these character.
Just because you appreciate something doesn't mean you can't visualize what would make it better. Part of the human condition is to strive for something better than what you have. It doesn't bring any less value to what you possess, you just always want to improve on it. In the context of videogames, there is no better time to try to invest time into fixing something than in fighting games. A game focused on story or visuals always can explore a niche where nothing is objectively wrong. In fighting games there are things that create an unfair/unfun/un-what-have-you experience. We're just having a discussion about what people feel can be improved or built upon.
No one denied the quality of this game, and no one said it was perfect, which is exactly the point. It can be better, and while some of the suggestions are stupid, let me let you in on a secret. No one's going to "take a game for what it is," no matter what game you play, there's always going to be criticisms because there's always going to be something wrong with it.
I can give you that it has a powerful knockback, but I do see that only with Ike's, Shulk's and maybe Meta Knight's. But with Lucina and Marth's especially, the knockback is surprisingly weak. That said, it would be better if they tweaked down the said powerful counters, so it wouldn't kill early.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Coincidentally, I actually want Palutena's Counter buffed, and it ain't truly bias because I'm aware of how laggy the move is, both its starting and ending lag, and plus there's been many times where I would Counter a weak hit, hit the opponent, but the opponent can still hit me back (when they're at low percents) before I could react. That's not how a Counter should work.
