IC Shield Pressure

[Shy Guy!]

How can i practice my shield pressure on IC's alone?

Also does anyone have any preset combos they like to do on IC? If so please share

 

[Little England]

Just fight a CPU ICs. (cpus never shield, but you can get used to the timing of hitting two chars lol) When I shield pressure ICs I never do the "traditional" shield pressure. Instead I use double shines, shine grabs(to dthrow), UAIR (yes uair, it hits twice and is bound to poke through one of their shields and if not you are still safe, and any other aerial as long as you are behind their shields or space it far enough away from the so you can't get grabbed.

Another amazing thing you can do is just space a fsmash. It doesn't even have to be amazing spacing because it'll push them back a ways so you can't get grabbed. Chu says he can't get around Falco's fsmash, so I don't think anyone else will lol.

As far as combos go, it's a similar process to comboing Marth except ICs will die easier off the top so you can use shine to kill them on Yoshi's, PS, Rainbow Cruise, Battlefield and less often FD(which you should probably ban btw) and FoD.

More than you asked for but w/e. =D

 

[Doomblaze]

Fsmash> ice climbers
standard pressure works alright too though.

 

[Shy Guy!]

Very good info man, i play against ic alot and i dont like swithching to fox or anyone else much to play them, and a big thing against me is messing up my SHFFL's and it leading to a chain grab session to a down smash.

 

[FoxLisk]

just play cfal. i dont play cfal and my cf does better against icies than my falco.

 

[Shy Guy!]

I cant get in the habit of grabbing after SHFFLing an attack into their shield. What do you do? jab, grab? I am so used to shining after SHFFLing into a shield

 

[FoxLisk]

grab works if they assume you're gonna shine. shinegrabbing is an option. aerial dd grab is really **** and for some reason only M2K's fox ever really used it.

 

[PB&J]

falco doing shield pressure on icy's is unheard of..it doesnt work..f smash is your best bet but even that can get u ***** when used at the wrong time. try to use dair reverse up tilt,fsmash. and im only posting in hear because i know this match up better than alot of people with icys and i know what falco can do to them but try to do shine grabs too..it ***** everyone

 

[Shy Guy!]

Thanks PB, but also i was asking about falcon. After a shhfl'd attack into shield what follows it? can it only be a grab?

 

[PB&J]

with falcon if u nair icys shield knee right after..knee ***** icys..it even goes through there blizzard sometimes..but just try mixing it up and u well get the results you want

 

[FoxLisk]

oh. with falcon i hear you can grab but really you can just run around and stomp or knee the middle of their shield and raptor boost when they have their shield up with their back to you (unless they're good at bairing it... then be more judicious). im serious, im really not good at the character or the matchup, it's just so easy to **** them up unless they are really good at the matchup.

 

[Shy Guy!]

I will have to try it myself tomorrow when i play, thanks for all the tips!

 

[PB&J]

try no to stomp too much..icy's can **** it with bair or wavedash oos to grab or smash

the more u play them though u should get the hang of it

 

[Shy Guy!]

I rarely play Falcon so this is all helpfull. Whats, in your opinion, the best counter to IC? Or your best or favorite counter character to them

 

[BigD!!!]

dont try to do prolonged shield pressure to climbers

l cancel, shine, and get out of there is your best bet

grabbing and dthrowing works pretty good, and i bet ftilt is ok after you space an aerial

i'd recommend nair instead of dair, i feel like its more reliable at not getting shield grabbed

 

[Shy Guy!]

Thats what i try but im in the habit of shield pressure SHFFLing i dont have to reflexes to grab after a shhfl attack yet, well sometimes i remeber and do it lol.

And i never figured out why the down air was considerd more risky

 

[FoxLisk]

i know with fox fthrowing ICies can work if you don't abuse it, i'd assume falco's is usable too.

 

[PB&J]

if u want to be good at fight icys..dont worry about throwing them unless they are next to the ledge besides that ..DONT GRAB THEM..U DONT HAVE TOO..THEY CAN PUNISH U FOR IT . icys are hard to get good against because there are so few icy players..playing icys will teach u very quickly not to mess up..like ever, because once they grab u..its done if they know what they are doing. just space well and remember there is two of them be aggressive against them is my best advice..its hard to camp them because they can throw ice blocks and throw nana across the stage with a blizzard..just space and u will win alot

 

[Shy Guy!]

Bet, good advice dude

 

[Little England]

if u want to be good at fight icys..dont worry about throwing them unless they are next to the ledge besides that ..DONT GRAB THEM..U DONT HAVE TOO..THEY CAN PUNISH U FOR IT .

I don't agree with this. How can they punish dthrow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiiUIGlo5xg 5:30

 

[X1-12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4eemzARjdM

PC chris D-throws all the time and it seems to work, the matches are old though.

 

[PB&J]

ahh..i dont have any vids of it but if u down throw my icys..ill **** u..if u grab me with falco u will die..when i do play icys..which is rare these days..i dont loose to falcos..i know this match up..yeah pc did it..but there are ways to get around that old strategy..but who cares what i say ..keep down throwing an icy if he doesnt know how to punish it..do that to my icy's and u will switch to fox..lol

what is funny is chu dat thinks that falco is the second hardest for icys..i think he just suks vs falco like the majority of the community does .where in the south we think is even but ..icys take away the laser game of falco with ice blocks..forcing u to full jump more and getting up aired by icys , and that should lead to an easy combo to kill falco. play me or uber ice with falco.


and i play alot of falco now so i know the match up from both sides. im just saying how i play the match up with falco. just a different view..thats all

i just read what i wrote. dr pp beat me with his falco but that was when i didnt even play icys for a while then after that i played them again and beat zhu a match in pools with icy's and he switched to fox and beat me..

 

[Little England]

Can you answer my question? all u really said was "well if u play me with falco you're gunna lose" which doesn't help the discussion. =/

 

[PB&J]

ok if u watch the matches again vs pc. all chu dat had to do was wave dash out of shield a split second later and its win win..thats how u do it..

 

[Shy Guy!]

Everytime i downthrow an Ic i get a huge smash in my face enless im lucky

*Also what is the correct DI i should do when being chaingrabbed?

 

[X1-12]

Everytime i downthrow an Ic i get a huge smash in my face enless im lucky

*Also what is the correct DI i should do when being chaingrabbed?

hold C stick directly away and mash direction stick left/upleft i think... and if you escape buffer a roll with Cstick

 

[idea]

why don't you just d-throw them?

- Unknown522

 

[Shy Guy!]

Alright, i always do the wrong DI or i dont DI at all. And i dont down throw because , i think this is why it happens, they get dysynched so if i grab nana by accident pop smashes and if i grab popo nana does the same. Sometime if i see it fast enough when they are seperated ill grab one and if the other comes over he downthrow still hits them, but otherwise i tend to TRY to not grab but sometimes i cant help it its like reflex