I need questions answered.

[Enigma14]

Again

Geno is owned by S/E. . . they can do w/e they want with him. He is a "Mario character" as in he was made for a Mario game/ originated in Mario games, but he is still owned by a 3rd party and is in no way owned by Nintendo.

Thats probly why he was listed with the mario characters. . . cause he is a Mario character. . . just owned by a 3rd party and not Nintendo which makes him a 3rd party character.

Realy, I wouldn't relay on some member's posted assumptions of his ownership over both S/E and Nintendo stating he is a S/E owned character.

But within the context Geno can only be used in Nintendo games. Think about why he only has appeared in Mario related games. Square can't use him, unless its MArio related.

 

[nobletoast]

King K. Rool is Rare's pathetic answer to Bowser.

Well ending mindless ignorance like this should be enough reason for K Rool to be included in Brawl.

K Rool is a king and a reptile. So ergo he must be a cheap knock off, of Bowser? If K Rool is a rip-off of Bowser because he is a reptile then get Ridley out of contention for a roster spot. And if its because hes an animal king then get King Dedede the smeg out of Brawl. Clearly you have never played a Donkey Kong platformer in your life.

Not only does the character actually have personality trates rather than Bowser he also has more moveset potential. The character himself is shown to be a number of things including stupid, delusional and humorous. All traits Bowser doesnt show. Also he has shown to have a talent for inventions and his varied boss battles over the years show him using a number of contraptions such as boomberangs, jet packs, explosives and cannons. He would also bring his many aliases to Brawl in some shape or form (intergrated into moveset or alternative costumes).

He showed up in the polls as well. Joint 4th if you remeber. So his popularity in Japan isnt a question. He's also popular in the west.

Then there's importance. Well the importance applies to his franchise and not the character but benefits K Rool nevertheless. DK was the game that kickstarted everything that is Nintendo today and intorduced the world to Mario (in Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr long before Mario Brothers exsisted). Nintendo as a business will always judge their franchises's importance on sales and lo and behold - Donkey Kong is the 4TH biggest for Nintendo and 9TH of all time on all platforms. To say Donkey Kong doesnt deserve three reps is not only drasticly wrong but its Fu[king moronic. Im sick of testosterone filled teenage sword-weilder fanboys claiming Fire Emblem needs three reps while Donkey Kong gets shunned. Im a Fire Emblem fan myself but come on stop over estimating its importance.

In Concusion:
K Rool = Not Bowser
K Rool = A Good and Much Deserved DK third rep
K Rool = Impossible to deny having a fighting chance.


*I aknowledge the bad grammer in the sentence above

 

[Enigma14]

If you played any of the Mario RPGS you would know that Bowser is comical in those games.

 

[nobletoast]

If you played any of the Mario RPGS you would know that Bowser is comical in those games.

But Donkey Kong Country and its sequel outdates any Super Mario RPG by two years so any accusations of K Rool being a cheap rip-off from Bowser arnt true.

And yes I have played them and Yes I am a big fan of Bowser also.

 

[A New England Winter]

Comical, yes, but not intentionally

Anywho...
Lucario for Brawl
* Moveset in D/P includes exclusive and unique techniques for Lucario only.
* Is an actual Fighting pokemon
* Has gained popularity from his movie
* A representative for the 4th generation of Pokemon
* Is a very cool and interesting Pokemon; easy to recognize, unique design with a very "cool" aura about it.
* Could potentially replace Mewtwo or Pichu
* Easy to fit into the SSE story
* I WANNA PLAY AS HIM, DAMMIT >:D

Wind Waker Link for Brawl
* Is just as important as, if not more so than, Midna
* A representative of the newer Zelda games, which are very popular
* Could simply be a redesign for Young Link, but with moves from Wind Waker and/or Minish Cap
* Is a funny little dude with potential to be loved/hated in the same way as, say, Jiggs or Pichu
* Would bring an interesting style of play, and character design in general, to Brawl
* once agian, I WANNA PLAY AS HIM DAMMIT >:D

Ridley for Brawl
* He's awesome, and he'd fit in well with the cast of mismatched, offbeat and strange characters
* He's got moveset potential with his wings, claws, tail, and jaws (among other things)
* Would be a new rep for Metroid, a very popular series, other than Samus and Zamus that'd actually fit on the screen. Or, y'know, important. Or not dead.
* I WANNA...you get it...>:D

Krystal for Brawl
* Why not? Would it kill you to have another female/rep from Starfox? IF you don't like her, don't play as her. Just use her as a training dummy.

 

[Enigma14]

Krystal and Ridley ok, but another Link?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Krystal and Ridley ok, but another Link?

We don't need another Link. We don't need to characters that are one person and no Zelda/Shiek doesn't count b/c it's a transformation. Putting 2 characters of 1 person is a waste of a space that could belong another needed character.

 

[Enigma14]

We don't need another Link. We don't need to characters that are one person and no Zelda/Shiek doesn't count b/c it's a transformation. Putting 2 characters of 1 person is a waste of a space that could belong another needed character.

Tell that to WW Link, Paper Mario and clone fans, please.

 

[Chaosblade77]

Tell that to WW Link, Paper Mario and clone fans, please.

I still don't understand the logic behind WW Link, he is not a separate character, he is just as separate from TP Link as TP Link is from OoT Link. The only reason people think he has more of a chance to get in as another Link is because his graphics were different and because there were two Links in Melee.

To say that he has potential for a totally unique moveset from Link: You could say the same about MM Link EASILY. OoT Link wouldn't be hard to do it to either. We don't need four links. We don't even need two.

Paper Mario is the same way. We had Doc and Mario in Melee, they could easily go out of their way to keep Doc and give him a different moveset, give Paper Mario his own moveset, and I am sure they could find plenty of other Marios to make unique. Raccoon Mario, anyone?


Positions taken by a character that is the same person as another character could easily be filled by a totally new and different character. Regardless of what Link you have, he is still going to have his base sword attacks, yes? Just different special attacks.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Exactly. If you want to make more Links, why don't we just go and make more Marios Frog Mario, Mario from Super Mario World 1,2 and 3, Mini Mario, Mario from DK. That's enough Mario for you or should I continue my list?

 

[Black/Light]

But within the context Geno can only be used in Nintendo games. Think about why he only has appeared in Mario related games. Square can't use him, unless its MArio related.

Geno, according to NINTENDO, is a S/E IP character meaning they own the rights to use him how ever they please. They can do w/e they want with him. . . .they simply don't care about him seeing as he was only in one Mario game from over 10 years ago. They didn't even put him into Mario 3 on 3. . . .pretty clear they don't care about Geno being in their games with or w/o Mario.

 

[Lgndknight]

just for Geno, sorry if these are old, but they are TOTALLY RELEVANT!

1. one game. no getting around it, he's a supporting character in one game.
2. a cameo does absolutely NOTHING for his chances. It's just one of Nintendo's little things, and I doubt they paid much for that. it made sense though, if not for another 15 seconds of fame.
3. Hasn't really been the star of any games, unlike EVERYBODY else in smash. on the back of SMRPG, I don't thin kit says. YOU GET TO BE GENO!!!!!!!!

 

[Chaosblade77]

just for Geno, sorry if these are old, but they are TOTALLY RELEVANT!

1. one game. no getting around it, he's a supporting character in one game.
2. a cameo does absolutely NOTHING for his chances. It's just one of Nintendo's little things, and I doubt they paid much for that. it made sense though, if not for another 15 seconds of fame.
3. Hasn't really been the star of any games, unlike EVERYBODY else in smash. on the back of SMRPG, I don't thin kit says. YOU GET TO BE GENO!!!!!!!!

Geno's role in SMRPG was not a minor role though. He actually had a very major role in the game. Since it consisted of repairing the Star Road and he was the only one who had any clue what was going on, I think that makes him pretty important. Although Mario "starred" in the game, the story after the first two worlds was based around Geno.

 

[Enigma14]

Geno's role in SMRPG was not a minor role though. He actually had a very major role in the game. Since it consisted of repairing the Star Road and he was the only one who had any clue what was going on, I think that makes him pretty important. Although Mario "starred" in the game, the story after the first two stars pieces was based around Geno.

Fixed.

Anyways yes Mario was only dragged into it because he first had to save Peach, then he chose to find Mallow's parents then he chose to help Bowser.

If Mario did decide to quit at Bowser's keep game over, Geno would have been on his own to fix Star Road, however Geno was only trying to fix his road by getting the stars so at the same time he saves both star road and the world with Mario's help only because the others urged him on and because Geno said that Bowser cant get his keep back unless Smithy is gone.

 

[lethminite]

"EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!"

i hope this is a joke, i know the games are meant to be good, but so are FE (i've never played either)
i don't think we need 10+ FE characters, or every kong.
there was a starcraft game, we need hydrilisks. (jk)
it's one series, it's got it's recognition from being in every smash bros., but it's small and close to *** only, compared to lots of other series that don't even have one, it doesn't need 2 at once, let alone 3.
could it have 3? yes. should it have 3? no

every series that gets a second rep, is getting it over a series that has none. do you really think of all Nintendo, mother is worth ~8% of the roster?

 

[Enigma14]

"EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!"

i hope this is a joke, i know the games are meant to be good, but so are FE (i've never played either)
i don't think we need 10+ FE characters, or every kong.
there was a starcraft game, we need hydrilisks. (jk)
it's one series, it's got it's recognition from being in every smash bros., but it's small and close to *** only, compared to lots of other series that don't even have one, it doesn't need 2 at once, let alone 3.
could it have 3? yes. should it have 3? no

every series that gets a second rep, is getting it over a series that has none. do you really think of all Nintendo, mother is worth ~8% of the roster?

Its not a joke. Its a question, duh. Ok fine what about this? If there is 40-50 characters then yes they deserve at least 3 reps.

 

[lethminite]

their arn't 40-50 characters in 3 games, unless you are counting everything as a character. (kinda like pokemon)

pokemon had 151 characters at the time of 64, was hugely popular and got 2/12 characters, for melee there was whoknows (251?? i lost track) and it got 3 reps and a clone. if mothers popularity was the same as that of pokemon was, then yes they should.

i would guess mother should have lucas +1-2 ATs, unless the japan popularity was so massive it rivals pokemon.

 

[Enigma14]

their arn't 40-50 characters in 3 games, unless you are counting everything as a character. (kinda like pokemon)

pokemon had 151 characters at the time of 64, was hugely popular and got 2/12 characters, for melee there was whoknows (251?? i lost track) and it got 3 reps and a clone. if mothers popularity was the same as that of pokemon was, then yes they should.

i would guess mother should have lucas +1-2 ATs, unless the japan popularity was so massive it rivals pokemon.

No I meant the roster. Not MOTHER

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

My response in purple

Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him.

Geno's legal situation is tricky. I still think he'll make it, though thanks to demand and Sakurai's personal interest. And don't give me that "he wasn't the main character" He might as well have been, given the story. Oh, and Sheik says "hi". At least Geno was actually PLAYABLE in the game he was in.

Bowser Jr.
(Argue why you want him)

He's be alright. He's the up-and-coming star of the Mario series, though I do have a bit of a bias against him because he killed the Koopa Kids. Either way, it's not completely impossible for the Mario series to have six reps this time around, and after Geno, he's the next best thing. I'd much rather see Geno, but both being in the game would make me happy.

Waluigi
(Argue why you want him)

Yuck, NO! He's got nothing going for him. The only game where he did anything but be worthless filler was DDR: Mario Mix, and he was only the first boss. He's an AT at very best.

Zelda-
Midna (Never played TP) honestly she would be a great addition then cell-shaded link

I've never played TP, but she looks like an interesting character. Better than WW Link, that is.

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)


While he's not quite as bad as Paper Mario in the duplicate character aspect, he's still just another Link. At least he has less of a chance of taking away spots from characters who deserve it more.

STAR FOX-
Wolf
(Argue why you want him)

I love Wolf, but it's so hard for me to picture him not being a clone. Well, it's either him or Falco to be decloned for this game, and only one will appear. Something's telling me that Falco will be playable and Wolf will be an SE boss. It's completely up in the air for now, though...

Falco
(Argue why you want him back)

See Wolf

MP-
Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in

He WILL be in the game. Best case scenario, he's playable. Worst case he's a boss. Either way, we win.

Pokemon-
Jiggs is in, I don't even like Jiggs

(Argue why _____ pokemon should be in)

Lucario would be nice, because this game's in desperate need for 4th gen representation, but it's looking bleaker and bleaker as time goes on. That being said, Jiggs and Mewtwo are very likely returning.

DK-
(Argue why Dixie or K.Rool should be a PC)

I know nothing about any of the DK Country games, so I'll take the "More the merrier" stance with these guys.

EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!

Agreed. The Mother series is a fantastic one, yet with the general elimination of Mother 2 influence, ther's not many options. I hate to say this, but Lucas and Claus will probably do.

Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)

Oy...I don't know ANYTHING about Fire Emblem. I just don't want Roy back. I never liked him.

Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.

As much as it pains me to say this, there shouldn't be any more playable characters, though. The Grey Fox AT pretty much promises us a Tails/Knuckles AT, however, so that makes me happy. Plus, Robotnik (or, very hopefully, Metal Sonic) is probably going to be a SE boss.

 

[lethminite]

No I meant the roster. Not MOTHER

no, as i said, i don't think they should have 8% of the roster
their are other series who don't have a rep and even with a 50 roster, wont have a rep.
you see all these support threads, each one as people wanting a character from a series, if mother gets 3 thats 2 more of these threads that go unaswered.

look at ness, the moment it looked like he wasn't in, lots of the fans went, "oh well, we have lucas, lets support masked man". there were ones that object to lucas as they only played mother 2.

you already have lucas, i can see giving a 2nd rep, but 3 is too much. the mere fact that mother fans are so split as to who they want, shows that their isn't one that stands out as who needs to be in.

look at SMRPG, you have about 95% saying geno, and 4% saying geno and mellow, and 1% saying mellow
thats clear who has the fandom, and who should be added, and that they deserve a spot.

smashbros. to me is about geting your favorite character and smashing up other peoples one, it's not about ranking series based on who has the most PCs. however, not every character can make it, so for the smaller series with less direct fanbases they add one character as most people wouldn't mind person B but they would like person A.

look at sukapon, i've never played his game, but i hear there are lots of characters, yet there is only support for one.

mother is an RPG, and RPGs have lots of character development, so each character is deeper then most hero's from other series, that doesn't make them more deserving for brawl.

[/rant]

 

[Enigma14]

no, as i said, i don't think they should have 8% of the roster
their are other series who don't have a rep and even with a 50 roster, wont have a rep.
you see all these support threads, each one as people wanting a character from a series, if mother gets 3 thats 2 more of these threads that go unaswered.

look at ness, the moment it looked like he wasn't in, lots of the fans went, "oh well, we have lucas, lets support masked man". there were ones that object to lucas as they only played mother 2.

you already have lucas, i can see giving a 2nd rep, but 3 is too much. the mere fact that mother fans are so split as to who they want, shows that their isn't one that stands out as who needs to be in.

look at SMRPG, you have about 95% saying geno, and 4% saying geno and mellow, and 1% saying mellow
thats clear who has the fandom, and who should be added, and that they deserve a spot.

smashbros. to me is about geting your favorite character and smashing up other peoples one, it's not about ranking series based on who has the most PCs. however, not every character can make it, so for the smaller series with less direct fanbases they add one character as most people wouldn't mind person B but they would like person A.

look at sukapon, i've never played his game, but i hear there are lots of characters, yet there is only support for one.

mother is an RPG, and RPGs have lots of character development, so each character is deeper then most hero's from other series, that doesn't make them more deserving for brawl.

[/rant]

...Alright you've convinced me.

 

[Chaosblade77]

mother is an RPG, and RPGs have lots of character development, so each character is deeper then most hero's from other series, that doesn't make them more deserving for brawl.[/rant]

I agree with this point, in a way. Just because characters have a lot of development in their respective game does not necessarily give them a better chance for Brawl.

Some games just don't have character development. Look at Mario. All you know is that he is a plumber and he is trying to save a princess. Different games give different background stories, but that is the basis of all of it.

Other games like RPGs are much more detailed when it comes to characters. For example, you could EASILY make a 50 character roster out of Fire Emblem characters alone, and have unique and different movesets for every character. Pokemon is the same way.

I don't think depth is a good reason to give a franchise more or less reps.

 

[lethminite]

(Argue why _____ pokemon should be in)


coz you can teach him fly if he evolves into Kangaskhan he can still fly, and nothing would be funnier that having that as his final smash, then he can glitch and reset the game with out saving and be be missingno. again, about the only pokemon that could evolve has his FS, and would be funny.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Mario Series-
Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him. Wrong. He's third party. He has a good chance.

Bowser Jr.
He's a growing antagonist, and could have a Baby Bowser alt. He looks like a terrorist with his awesome hankerchief. He has appeared in a growing number of canon games and will probably get a good chance.

Zelda-
........

Minda (Never played TP) honestly she would be a great addition then cell-shaded link
Uhh nice reasoning. Anyways, she's probably an AT. She is naturally an AT in Twilight Princess.

STAR FOX-
Wolf
Because he's a recurring antagonist, he gives antagonist flavor, and he's plain awesome.
Falco
Because he has a large fanbase, a good protagonist representative, and is part of the crew.

Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in
I have to say he's both.

Pokemon-
Jiggs is in, I don't even like Jiggs

(Argue why _____ pokemon should be in)

Lucario
Has a movie, large fanbase, and adds to the Protagonist side.
Mewtwo
Has 2 Movies, works quite well as an antagonist, and is widely recognized
Jigglypuff
Anime appearences(in the old days anyways), widely popular in japan, and is from 64.


DK-
(Argue why Dixie or K.Rool should be a PC)
K. Rool adds to the Antagonist side. Antagonists are growing in Brawl.
EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!
Because Ness has a fighting chance and Claus is in Mos Def if Ness is out.
Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)
Marth gets back for remake and his popularity of games.
Black Knight is Antagonist of the newer games, and has a large fanbase.


Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.
I don't see why we need a Sonic Rep Period

 

[Enigma14]

New arguements

Which 3rd party characters do you want? (Geno is exempt because Sakurai lists him under the Mario series and he is co-created with Nintendo)

Should there be a AC rep?

(Argue why)

 

[Deleted member]

If Geno ends up being an AT, I'll cry. I will seriously cry. Geno played a massive role in SMRPG. I here **** like:

"HES A DOLL"

Sure, he's a doll, he's made outa wood. So?

"KILL IT WITH FIRE LOL"

You know, there are a lot of ridiculous things in Brawl already.
A plumber
A monkey named Donkey
A fat man
A yellow rat that can summoned lightning
A blue hedgehog
A king penguin
A bounty hunter
A swordsman. 2 actually
A space fox

Every character has a weekness, besides it isn't easy to kill Geno with fire.

 

[Chaosblade77]

In noobspeak:

NO AC REP EVAR PL0X.

For good reason. Look at the type of game animal crossing is. Now, I guess I can see a moveset along the lines of a golden shovel, an axe, maybe a fishing pole-what am I saying. An Animal Crossing rep would be ridiculous in my opinion. The game is meant to be a life simulation game, think the Sims, except with animals. and E rated.

Smash Brothers + Life Simulation = phailed lyk teh ph1r3.

I can understand a stage. That does make some sense. But I don't see your peaceful little villager going around beating people with shovels and bug catching nets. He freaking runs errands for people and gets NOTE PAPER in return. Obviously not the kind of character for Brawl, in my opinion. The same goes for the animals. They hardly have major roles in the game, as individuals. How is one animal different than another?

Basically, I am just against a playable AC rep. Stage is fine, I guess, but playable... no. I'd rather see a Mii, and I don't even support that.

And for third party, the only one that comes to mind off the bat is Mega Man, for the same reason as Sonic. Classic gaming hero and a long history with Nintendo, perfect for Smash. (Sonic has a long history with Nintendo too though, except he was a rival... I remember the days when every gamer wanted to see Sonic and Mario head to head. Now we get it and today's some of todays gamers complain...)

 

[Baka_Shade]

Hehe, I see "AC rep", and immediately think Armored Core. Now there would be a great third party character (if that even counts as third party). XD

 

[Enigma14]

I can see a AC character going around and hitting people with a shovel or a net, like Link and the axe could work if Hector is going to be a PC or AT. Fishing rod for recovery. He can throw funiture at you.

Yeah...

 

[Black/Light]

New arguements

Which 3rd party characters do you want? (Geno is exempt because Sakurai lists him under the Mario series and he is co-created with Nintendo)

(Argue why)

The thing is owned by S/E. If it's listed as a Mario character than thats because it is a Mario character, just happens to be owned by S/E and not co-owned by S/E-Ninten making it 3rd party.

(Really, saying the thing is "co-owned" isn't going to change the fact S/E are the ones who own it)
edit: Post count 2111!!!

 

[Enigma14]

The thing is owned by S/E. If it's listed as a Mario character than thats because it is a Mario character, just happens to be owned by S/E and not co-owned by S/E-Ninten making it 3rd party.

(Really, saying the thing is "co-owned" isn't going to change the fact S/E are the ones who own it)
edit: Post count 2111!!!

And the fact that he is only used in Mario games and not SE games makes him second party. That and Nintendo and Square co-created him.

FROM WIKIPEDIA:

"This is his first appearance since that game (due in part to Nintendo and Square patching up old differences). Geno was added as a reference to another title designed by Shigeru Miyamoto, Yoshihiko Maekawa and several others (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)"

SEE Geno can't be used unless both campanies are involved meaning hes second party!

 

[LemonKing]

They would need Geno's inclusion to be Approved by SE, but they can't charge Nintendo for the use of the conjoined character. Even if they could it would only be a minimal fee compared to Megaman, Sonic, and Snake.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

They would need Geno's inclusion to be Approved by SE, but they can't charge Nintendo for the use of the conjoined character. Even if they could it would only be a minimal fee compared to Megaman, Sonic, and Snake.

I don't really know much about Geno, but after reading about him being Co-Owned, it's clear to see that he's Second Party.

And getting Second Party Characters in Brawl is no problem whatsoever.

As you can see here:

 

[ValiantVernon]

yea im all in for Geno to be the new character

 

[The Slayer]

Geno maybe getting in, and probably as second party. As long as Nintendo is giving credit for S/E, he shouldn't have problems getting in.

 

[y3nia659]

I want for Fire Emblem 5 representatives.

One representative for the NES era, one for the SNES, one for the GBA, one for the GCN, and one for the Wii

My picks are:

Marth or Celica (the first girl Lord) (NES)
Sigurd or even Leaf or Celice (SNES)
Eirika or Hector, maybe Roy again (GBA)
Ike (confirmed)
Micaiah or Elincia for the Wii representation....

to me thats a fair way to represent all of the franchise with a character per system the franchise has been in. I think it's the best way to pick the Lords becuase they are the main characters after all.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

I want for Fire Emblem 5 representatives.

One representative for the NES era, one for the SNES, one for the GBA, one for the GCN, and one for the Wii

My picks are:

Marth or Celica (the first girl Lord) (NES)
Sigurd or even Leaf or Celice (SNES)
Eirika or Hector, maybe Roy again (GBA)
Ike (confirmed)
Micaiah or Elincia for the Wii representation....

to me thats a fair way to represent all of the franchise with a character per system the franchise has been in. I think it's the best way to pick the Lords becuase they are the main characters after all.

I'm sorry, but that's a hell of a lot of reps for a series that's barely even shown its face in America.

 

[y3nia659]

I know, but the characters are really interesting

 

[y3nia659]

and if you look at it this way....Melee had two representatives, and perhaps the amount can double and maybe there can be four different lords.

 

[Enigma14]

and if you look at it this way....Melee had two representatives, and perhaps the amount can double and maybe there can be four different lords.

Too bad their lords >.> ...