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Enigma14

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I see the same posts and the same arguements and I'm getting tired of it, and when I do ask WHY they want the character back or in, thery never respond.

Mario Series-
Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him.

Bowser Jr.
(Argue why you want him)

Waluigi
(Argue why you want him)

Zelda-
Minda (Never played TP) honestly she would be a great addition then cell-shaded link

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)

STAR FOX-
Wolf
(Argue why you want him)

Falco
(Argue why you want him back)

MP-
Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in

Pokemon-
Jiggs is in, I don't even like Jiggs

(Argue why _____ pokemon should be in)

DK-
(Argue why Dixie or K.Rool should be a PC)

EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!

Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)

Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.
 

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Bowser Jr.
(Argue why you want him)
- I think a small but slow character would be intresting. Basically a small version of Bowser. However, I see alot of intresting moves and ideas involving the paintbrush he uses in Sunshine. As well, the possibility to transform into shadow Mario is also very intresting.

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)
For one he is cell-shaded which would be intresting in Brawl. Also, there is a huge difference between Link and WW Link. WW Link uses alot of twirls, hops, and dashes. Like jumping over his enemy and knocking the hemlet off or rolling around them and cutting thier backside. As well, a clone moveset could easily be altered by implementing Wind Waker or Phantom Hour Glass only items. Such as the Deku Leaf, Skull Hammer, or sea gull bait. (Sorry I never played Phantom Hour Glass).

STAR FOX-
Wolf
(Argue why you want him)
Wolf could be a tad bit slower but more powerful version of Fox. However, to avoid a clone, a obvious different moveset with maybe a more priority on heavy weapons. As well, he is a villain and a canidate for as a Subspace Emissary boss.

Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)
Marth is a much loved SSBM character and a iconic character in the Fire Emblem world. I, howevr, would prefer Micaiah or Black Knight make it in over Marth though.
 

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Thank you for the positive and mature responce.

Way I see it, Bowser Jr. is a clone either way.

He can uses both Bowser's and Mario's movesets, when he turns into Shadow Mario. Only thing he's got going for him other then being in games that are canon, is the paintbrush.

WW Link

For one he is cell-shaded which would be intresting in Brawl. Also, there is a huge difference between Link and WW Link. WW Link uses alot of twirls, hops, and dashes. Like jumping over his enemy and knocking the hemlet off or rolling around them and cutting thier backside. As well, a clone moveset could easily be altered by implementing Wind Waker or Phantom Hour Glass only items. Such as the Deku Leaf, Skull Hammer, or sea gull bait. (Sorry I never played Phantom Hour Glass).

WW is the only Zelda game I've tried to play.

Ok so lets say WW Link is in a battle and he targets someone with 1 button and them does a roll with his sheild and slahes them from behind, couldn't he spam multiple times?

STAR FOX-
Wolf
(Argue why you want him)

Wolf could be a tad bit slower but more powerful version of Fox. However, to avoid a clone, a obvious different moveset with maybe a more priority on heavy weapons. As well, he is a villain and a canidate for as a Subspace Emissary boss.

So he would be a fighter with a aresenal of weapons with long range, and we already got that with Samus.

Fire Emblem post I agree with however many people will disagree. Personally I'd rather see a fight in Brawl between Ike versus BK in SE then both PCs. Also Mikaya as a PC would be awesome, but only Sakurai can say so.
 

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Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him..
I'm not sure I understand how this one is a question, but it IS accurate.
 

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A lot of people fell in love with many of the Melee characters, removing too many of them is a bad idea. In fact if I was Sakurai, I would have brought almost all of them back.
 

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Fair enough.

But If i were to say...

Why do people want Waluigi in Brawl?

I would get flamed. Guess these aren't questions, but I am leaving the answer up to others since I can't see why they would want them in or out.

volbound1700:

Half of them are already confirmed, and he did say he didn't want clones taking up space.
 

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I see the same posts and the same arguements and I'm getting tired of it, and when I do ask WHY they want the character back or in, thery never respond.
Fair enough, but get ready for a small wall-of-text here.

Mario Series-
Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him.
Geno represents a segment of the Mario universe that has been forgotten by many. A lot of fans out there find Super Mario RPG to be their favorite Mario game (or favorite game in general). Geno happens to be a center focus throughout the story, and he's overall a really cool character that could be a hit in Smash.

Bowser Jr.
(Argue why you want him)
In the event that Geno does not make the cut (which I think he will), Bowser Jr would be the next best thing. He'd be the answer to many Smash players that always wished that Bowser was just a little bit faster. Of course, that doesn't mean that he'd have to use the same moveset. He has enough games to draw from where he could easily have a unique (and fun) moveset.

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)
Like a lot of people have already said, just because he is "another Link" does not mean that he has to be the same. Sure, he might be blonde, and hey, he might use a sword. But, he doesn't have to use bombs, nor does he have to use the boomerang. He has the Deku Leaf, Grappling Hook, Skull Hammer, Bomb Chus, and (of course) the Wind Waker, just to name a few.

He also is an answer to many Zelda fans out there. What about the people that didn't/don't want to play as TP Link? Contrary to what you may believe, there are people out there that just don't like the adult Link style. I, for instance, would rather play as WW Link any time, any day.

STAR FOX-
Wolf
(Argue why you want him)
Personally, I think he has the best character design out of the Star Fox sand box. He just looks cool, and a lot of people become close-minded because of his similar appearance to a certain other space animal.

If he's in, he's in. Fox's costumes are not going to dictate whether or not Wolf get's into Brawl.

Falco
(Argue why you want him back)
Again, the next best thing (in my eyes). Looking at how Wolf and Falco have developed over the last few years, it would seem that they would actually have very similar movesets (or could, at least). In the end, he probably has a greater chance of showing up, but I've seen more Wolf supporters around here than people pushing for this guy.

MP-
Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in
Ridley: The Anti-Pokemon. He'll be in. He has way too much support to be overlooked this time.

That is all.

Pokemon-
Jiggs is in, I don't even like Jiggs

(Argue why _____ pokemon should be in)
I agree. Jiggs is by far (in my opinion) the worst character idea in this game. Yes, he's even worse than Pichu, Roy, Doc, you name it. Quite frankly, Metapod could be announced, and I would be happy as long as I knew he was replacing Jiggs.

DK-
(Argue why Dixie or K.Rool should be a PC)
Dixie is not much more than a feminine Diddy. King K. Rool is Rare's pathetic answer to Bowser.

So in short, they shouldn't. End of story.

EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!
I hear you. Ness was one of my favorite characters (and now Lucas), because of his originality and cool design. We need to see more of these guys, particularly Ness and Claus.

Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)
Roy won't be making a return. The vast majority of these boards know this. Hell, the vast majority of Smash fans everywhere know this.

Marth, on the other hand, has a lot of things going for him right now. He's hugely popular on a world-wide scale, thanks to Melee. Also, he has a DS remake of his early chapters in the FE series on the way. Really, if I were to expect any other FE rep, my bets would be placed on him first.

Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.
Sonic is a guest character from a 3rd party franchise. Sakurai's not going to give anyone else a chance from the Sonic world. Sorry, Tails/Knuckles/Shadow/Random-Sonic-Character fans, you'll have to settle for playing as the Blue Blur for now.
 

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EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!
Heh, at the moment Mother fans have to spend more time arguing why there should be more than 1 rep.

Also, this thread is a bit odd seeing as it seems like its meant to be asking questions and challenging us to make arguments, yet much of the original post isnt really questions and just ou stating your opinion on the brawl roster in general.
 

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Why people want the character in tends to stem from one primary source: they like him or her. A few other factors sometimes are in play (such as the Mario/Sonic rivalry for Sonic), but thats the gist of it.

Why they're possible/likely/should be in (or not) is another story entirely. You sure thats not the one you're actually interested in?

Anyway, on your specific queries:

I agree about Zelda. Midna would be the best new rep IMO, and "WW" Link is just as redundant as the previous Young Link, Doctor Mario, etc, whether hes a clone or not.

On Star Fox, Falco should definitely return - hes the single most popular character from the game, above even Fox himself, and has been around since the first. Hes not as important to the games themselves as Fox, Wolf, or Krystal, true, but he outshines them all in the amount of fan love he has.

On DK, I feel K Rool should be in because the series is too important to just leave with two characters. Its an older series than Mario's even, and was the series from which Mario was spun-off, and was very popular and sold quite well during its Rareware-produced days. K Rool is the third most important character to the games, after DK himself and Diddy, and plainly has more fan support than Dixie. I don't expect K Rool to make it, but I support him.

Earthbound/Mother - I'm not well versed on these, but the fact that there were only three games does make it a smaller series than most (even Star Fox has 5, and it pales compared to Fire Emblem's 10, the dozen plus of Pokèmon/Zelda, DK's nearly two dozen, or Mario's hundred+), which to me indicates its probably not as popular as most of the other series, and the fact that two of those three were Japan-only is against it. Not saying it couldn't, or that there aren't factors I'm not aware of - there likely are, given my knowledge of it isn't even rudimentary - just giving my impressions with the limited knowledge I possess.

On Fire Emblem, click the Marth icon in my signature to see plenty of reasons for Marth's return. The short of it is that he has every reason an FE character could want to do so (more than Ike has, to be sure) and none to be removed. On Roy, yeah, hes likely out for better FE reps like Ike.

On Sonic, I agree, theres no reason another character from his series will make it.

Zevox
 

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Earthbound/Mother - I'm not well versed on these, but the fact that there were only three games does make it a smaller series than most (even Star Fox has 5, and it pales compared to Fire Emblem's 10, the dozen plus of Pokèmon/Zelda, DK's nearly two dozen, or Mario's hundred+), which to me indicates its probably not as popular as most of the other series, and the fact that two of those three were Japan-only is against it.
True, but the pure awesome makes up for the lack of games.
 

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Fair enough.

But If i were to say...

Why do people want Waluigi in Brawl?

I would get flamed. Guess these aren't questions, but I am leaving the answer up to others since I can't see why they would want them in or out.

volbound1700:

Half of them are already confirmed, and he did say he didn't want clones taking up space.
Yes and of the Half, everyone knew all of those would return outside of maybe the Ice Climbers, people doubted them. I am talking about the Melee characters people don't expect to return. Despite people's protests, Roy, Dr. Mario, Falco, and Jigglypuff have sizable fanbases and deserve to return.
 

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I see the same posts and the same arguements and I'm getting tired of it, and when I do ask WHY they want the character back or in, thery never respond.

Mario Series-
Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him.
I'm neutral on the whole Geno debate. On one hand, I see no reason why he shouldn't be included, but on the other I see no reason why he should. Whether he's Mario or third-party, I just see other characters getting in before him.

Bowser Jr.
(Argue why you want him)
Of all the Mario characters in existence, he's #2 on my list of important ones (behind only Toad.) Toad deserves the slot WAY more than B.J., but (unfortuneatly) Toad's chances aren't looking as good as they once were. With Toad out of the way, B.J. has a clear shot at the roster. And, with Dr. Mario out of the way, Brawl will have only four Mario reps, which opens room for two characters.

Waluigi
(Argue why you want him)
Again, going off my list of important characters, Waluigi is right behind B.J. He's a blank canvas for moveset potential (I would expect bombs and stretching limbs.) With there likely to be six Mario reps (Mario, Bowser, Peach, Luigi, B.J. and Waluigi), Waluigi is primed to take the slot after B.J. And, of course, there's always the Mario/Luigi vs Wario/Waluigi factor.

I could also see Paper Mario joining Brawl instead of Waluigi. Guaranteed to have a unique moveset, star of his own line of popular games, and it would stick with the tradition of having two "Marios" in Smash (Luigi/Mario and then Doc/Mario.)

Zelda-
Minda (Never played TP) honestly she would be a great addition then cell-shaded link
Midna deserves it by FAR.

Let's look at the possibilities:
Midna: (7)
-Star of the most recent console (not handheld) Zelda game.
-Star of the most popular game (which may or may not be a BIG point, but it's a point none-the-less.)
-TP Link model, TP Zelda model, TP Heart Container Model, and Eldin Bridge confirms that Sakurai is using TP as the basis of all his Zelda-related things in Brawl, so, if he needs a new character, he's going to turn to TP first.
-Female (small point, but it still stands.)
-New fan favorite character of Zelda.
-More character development than Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and any other "helper" combined shows that Nintendo put some thought into her and doesn't want her to die away like the other "helpers".
-Midna NOT appearing on Eldin Bridge confirms one of four things:
--She's a PC (YAY!)
--She's an AT (possible, but hopefully not.)
--Another TP-themed level (with Midna as a hazard/background.)
--She's not in the game (insanely unlikely considering how heavy TP is influencing Brawl's Zelda components.)
Cel-Link: (4)
-Star of the most recent handheld game.
-Sakurai's list.
-"Another Link" a lot of people will complain.
-Represents alternate version of LoZ.
Vaati: (4)
-Only reoccurring character outside of Skull Kid, Tingle, and the Triforce.
-Villain
-Only reoccurring villain outside of Ganondorf.
-Represents alternate version of LoZ.
Impa: (3)
-Old-time fan favorite
-Female
-Ninja moveset (easily out-prioritized by Shiek.)
Skull Kid: (2)
-Only reoccurring character outside of the Triforce and Tingle.
-Appeared in TP.
Zant: (2)
-Villain
-Appeared in TP.
Tetra: (2)
-Pirate-themed moveset
-Female
Tingle: (1)
-Massively popular in Japan (hated everywhere else.)
Linebeck:
-Appeared in the most recent handheld game.

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)
I'm sure the only reason anyone even considers him is because he appears on Sakurai's list, which, although gives us an idea of who may appear, isn't 100% proof of a character's entrance. I see Midna and/or Vaati getting in before Cel-Link.

STAR FOX-
Wolf
(Argue why you want him)
One of the only four characters with enough significance to the franchise and is actually capable of being played. Also, he's the best bet for a villian.

Falco
(Argue why you want him back)
He was in Melee and he's important in the franchise. Why not put him?

MP-
Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in
Only reason he needs --> Bowser of the Metroid world. Bonus reason --> Metroid needs more characters.

Pokemon-
Jiggs is in, I don't even like Jiggs
She was in the first two and she has a unique moveset. No reason to pull her out.

EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!
Because the franchise itself is rather insignificant compared to some of the other games represented...

Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)
ROY IS NOT COMING BACK! No questions.

Marth, unlike Roy, has enough significance to the franchise to justify his inclusion. Counting the DS game, he has more appearances than any other Lord in the franchise. And he was the first Lord which kinda makes him the face of the franchise.

Ike represents FE9 (hence his younger model) and Michaiah would represent FE10 as an advertisement.

Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.
As much as I want Tails to be playable, it ain't happening... Smash Brothers is a game that is all about who appears. Whoever appears will sell games. Sakurai knows that, Nintendo knows that, and third-party companies know it. Sakurai will want to spread the appearances out to include the mascots of multipule companies because the mascots of three big companies will sell more compies of the game than three mascots from the same company.
 

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Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in
Ridley is Samus' arch rival, the reason of her current existence and a foe that keeps coming back to haunt her again and again. Metroid, back in the day, was an awesome series...Bleh, don't like the modern ones but Super Metroid is one of the best games of all time.

DK-
(Argue why Dixie or K.Rool should be a PC)
Simple, because DKC was once the 2nd best selling Series Nintendo had...that was before Pokemon...now it's like the 3rd. Good times...especially DKC 2 (Definetly one of the best games ever as well...It has Pirates!) Anyone that knows of Dixie would know she doesn't and couldn't have the same moveset as Diddy...she's not even a friggin money (No tail)...K. Rool is a funny villain...rather have Captain K. Rool than King...but either way he'd make a great villain.

EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!
Many people cannot understand the Mother series because it is so unique and apart from other games. It may have only had 3 games, but those 3 games made the series better than most with a hell of a lot more games. Unfortunetly, not many people can understand and except how unique it is and how good the storyline to the games is...

Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.
Sonic doesn't need another character...but adding NiGHTS would be cool!
 

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I still don't know one reason why Geno should be in all the people I know don't know him even I didn't know him before I came to SWF
Now that's your own fault now is it?

Because YOU don't know him, no one else's opinion should matter?

He's got plenty of fans that would love to see him in...Want their favorite character revived, since his disappearance from gaming was because a series of unfortunate events.

That attitude of yours seems selfish
 

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Ridley:

He's Ridley. Allow me to reiterate; He's RIDLEY. How could you not want to play as him?

(If I may) Sukapon:

He's from Nintendo's first true fighter, so I think it'd be great for Sakurai to honor him with a spot in Nintendo's modern fighter. He's also just a funny, quirky character. I think it'd be nice to see him again in Brawl.
 

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^If they can work the pyschics for him, if he is in, then he shots down Rayman's chances (I don't really like or hate rayman).
 

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3rd Party choices

(Argue why you want them, Geno isn't considered 3rd party so don't argue about him. Same with Issac and Dixie)

If you still want to argue for previous characters go ahead.
 

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Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him.
I want him in because he is the only good Mario rep left.

Bowser Jr.
(Argue why you want him)
I don't.

Waluigi
(Argue why you want him)
I don't


Minda (Never played TP) honestly she would be a great addition then cell-shaded link
The moveset practically writes itself, she's unique, she IS the most important character in Twilight Princess.

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)
He could have a new moveset but in the end he is just another Link.

STAR FOX-

Wolf
(Argue why you want him)
To have all of the reps Star Fox should have.

Falco
(Argue why you want him back)
He is the most important character in Star Fox after Fox, he is his sidekick, if they gave him a moveset based on Assault, he can return decloned.

MP-
Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in
He is the only good Metroid rep aside Samus.

DK-
(Argue why Dixie or K.Rool should be a PC)
K. Rool should be in Brawl, for DK to have his biggest enemy in the roster, just like Mario has Bowser and Link has Ganondorf.

EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!
I'm really hoping for Ness to return and have Claus as a character too, but I wouldn't mind if they threw in another rep from either game, like Ninten, Ana, Poo, Duster, I like Kumatora but I don't think she is Brawl material.
 

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Now that's your own fault now is it?

Because YOU don't know him, no one else's opinion should matter?

He's got plenty of fans that would love to see him in...Want their favorite character revived, since his disappearance from gaming was because a series of unfortunate events.

That attitude of yours seems selfish
i hate how people get so freaking crazy when they dont want geno in
i mean you cannot make someone want him in
you people need to learn how to calm down and stop going freaking nuts over a puppet
 

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^If they can work the pyschics for him, if he is in, then he shots down Rayman's chances (I don't really like or hate rayman).
Physics? I doubt they'd be much, if at all, different from other characters'. Also, how would Sukapon affect Rayman at all? They're not competing with each other in any way at all. :dizzy:
 

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Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him.
No Geno is third party as he is OWNED by Square Enix, hence why Nintendo never uses him save for a cameo a few years back. To get him in they must ask permission from Square Enix and pay royalties for them to use the character. He is an essentially dead character, why revive him now, why not Mario Hoops 3 on 3 a Mario and SE crossover game? Wouldn't it have made more sense back then.

Bowser Jr.
(Argue why you want him)
Seriously if you think that he is a clone you must be a moron. He is small, slow, light aand strong. He has a magical paintbrush and a howl that can pierce anyone's eardrums not to mention that he is an actually important character to the series right now having major roles in both Super Mario Sunshine and New Super Mario Bros as well as a role in Super Mario Galaxy. This guy will stick around for a while and represents the now of the Mario franchise.

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)
Because you don't know a single thing about this guy. Cell Shaded Link represents a lot more than just Wind Waker he also represents The Minish Cap, Four Swords, Four Sword Adventures and Phantom Hourglass, from a single one of these games alone you could make a fun and unique moveset but with the combination of all the games you could make a moveset that involves controlling the wind, shrinking and having three doplegangers as well as so much more, he has so much potential it isn't funny.

DK-
(Argue why Dixie or K.Rool should be a PC)
Well let's see Donkey Kong is the world's 9th best selling series as well as Nintendo's fourth best selling series behing Mario, Pokemon and Zelda. It has a lot of games and both these characters have unlimited potential. Dixie Kong fights with her and is a great jumper, how many other simians fight using their hair (aside from her little sister) none! And K.Rool has appeared as a King, a Pirate, a Scientist and a Boxer, how could he not have a fun and unique moveset seriously.

EarthBound/Mother
How come there can't be more then 2 reps? there were 3 games!
Well let's see not a single one of them was released worldwide and none of them have had above average sales so why the hell should they get three reps? When a MASSIVE franchise like Donkey Kong only has two? What the hell!

Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)
Marth is going to be the first lord to star in three games as his third (which is a port of his first or second) will be released on the Nintendo DS not to mention the fact that he was the first lord ever and the fire emblem symbol is his sword the Falchion. He's a shoe in!
Micaiah is the lord from the New Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn she is a white haired, female mage and could bring a lot to the table with her magical powers and I don't think that IS would want their series being represented as just a bunch of swordsmen because it has so much more and Micaiah represents a sorely underrepped and underappreciated part of Fire Emblem.
 

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Waluigi
(Argue why you want him)
becuse people hate him. :)

Minda (Never played TP) honestly she would be a great addition then cell-shaded link
becuse I like her, and she could have a cool move set.

WW Link
(Argue why we need another blond haired, bomb, boomerange, sword user)
because he can uses his WW only things to NOT be the blond haired bom boomerang, sword user, he can be the leaf, skull hammer, other ww waker stuff user.

Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in
Dragon. from. space.
good move set.
cool looking.
metorid rocks.
Dragon. from. space.

Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.
because we don't
 

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Don't have much to say about this topic. . . .but here.



Geno=owned by S/E. No getting around it. They would have to ask for him like they did Sonic.
 

Enigma14

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Yeah they asked for him, but they could of easily used Toad or someone else, but no they asked for Geno.
 

Enigma14

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From http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13783&hl=

"The legal situation surrounding Geno (and Vaati) is not the same as Sonic and Megaman. Yes, Geno is third party and owned by Square Enix but Nintendo really has more say in the character. Why? Because Geno was in a Mario game (a first party franchise owned by Nintendo) that makes him a Mario character. There's no getting around that. Because of this, Square Enix cannot legally use him outside of this context because (as the copyright says at the end of all Mario games) Nintendo owns all the scenarios that occur in the Mario games. Geno was part of the story in Super Mario RPG thus pulling him into the scenario AKA the story and plot points of the game. My point was proved both during the offical Melee and Brawl polls when Geno was, despite his legal situation, categorized as a Mario character and seperated from the other third party characters."

"Now that is cleared up, let me explain things further. Because Geno is a Mario character, Square Enix cannont legally refuse Nintendo the rights to him if they wish to use them nor use him outside the context of a Mario game unless Nintendo is involved with the project. In the end, Nintendo basically controls the situation surrounding him and that makes Geno pretty much worthless to Square Enix. For further proof of this, ask yourself this: Why was Geno in a Mario game that Square Enix played no part in developing? Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga was developed by Nintendo and Alpha Dream. It is even questionable whether or not Square Enix recieved some of the profits based on Geno's inclusion in the game."

"Now let's compare Geno with Sonic. Sonic makes millions of dollars for Sega every year and is their biggest icon. Geno is a character that was playable in one game that sold about 2 million copies worldwide more then a decade ago and has basically been sitting in a filing cabinet since 2003. See a difference? I certainly do."

"So there you have it. Geno's legal situation laid out in black and white. Yes, Nintendo will still have to get permission to use him and probably have to pay a minor fee (would you like to compare the "rental" cost of Sonic's or Megaman's copyrights to Geno's?) for him but, in the end, Geno is very, very different from other third party characters."
 

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I see the same posts and the same arguements and I'm getting tired of it, and when I do ask WHY they want the character back or in, thery never respond.

Mario Series-
Geno
(I want him in) He's not third party, he's co-owned, Nintendo just needs to give S/E credit for him, since they co-created him.
Yes, but his current status are unknown, maybe he'll do it for AT, MAYBE.

STAR FOX-
Wolf
(Argue why you want him)
Best rival, EVER. At least in Nintendo's futuristic series.

Besides, he can easily have a different moveset from Fox, right?

Falco
(Argue why you want him back)
Falco... he can return, he gots a huge supports, right?

Metroid
Ridley- I don't care if he's a PC or a boss or both, but i do hope he is in.
I say boss, didn't the title of the song told ya something?

Fire Emblem-
I can't see Roy getting in cause he was a promotional ad. Marth has a chance but I can't see him coming back either.
(Argue why you want Marth or Roy back or anyone else in)
I want both Marth and Roy back, but Marth got better chances that's a fact. Roy has a 50/50 chances of returning IMO, either PC, AT or nothing. Oh, Sigurd should be the other FE rep, NOT the Black Knight.

Sonic-
I don't see why we need another Sonic rep.
QFAT, I totally agree.
 

Enigma14

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They can too refuse them to use him, and they can also demand royalties and a large section in the credits.
True however Nintendo has more use for him and legally Square can't use him unless its Mario related, Brawl is going to be a best selling game so of course they can have money, but for credits it depends on what Sakurai/Nintendo uses for Brawl.

Roy-kun

Geno won't be a AT, hes either a PC or not in the game at all. They will not have had the trouble and time wasted just for him to be a AT.

Im hoping for the PC aspect.
 

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Many people expect Fox's series to have 3-4 reps yet Mother can't have more then 2?

Sure Mother set the stage for Pokemon and AC but how come they can't have more then 3 reps?
 

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Bowser Jr.
I am not really interested in Bowser Jr just... because. I don't have any real reasons, I just think another character would be better in the game.

Waluigi
Filler character in his own games. Really, we don't need fillers as playable in Brawl, there are more than enough worthy characters.

Zelda-
Minda
I think LoZ is well represented with it's current three (or four is Sheik returns) characters. She is popular, but only in a single game.

WW Link
Link is in game, by the same logic that people use to argue WW Link you could also say "Let's include OoT Link, and MM Link" since they would all have different special abilities based on what Link had in that specific game.

STAR FOX-
Wolf
Basically, he would replace Falco from Melee, because he would be better for SSE. Would play similar to Fox, but have a different moveset based more on strength than speed.

Falco
See above. I wouldn't mind seeing him back but Wolf would be a better character in general.

MP-
Ridley
Metroid simply needs another rep, it's a huge, popular series and deserves another rep, Ridley has been in every game, and is the perfect candidate.

Pokemon-
I don't like Jigglypuff but "it" has a fanbase that support it, especially inside Japan. This fanbase has drastically weakened though. Will probably still make it in Brawl though.

Lucario, basically to replace Mewtwo and get some newer generation Pokemon in there. Four playable reps is enough.

Pichu = dropped.

EarthBound/Mother
Clause for second rep, that will do. As for your comment, there have been tons of Mario, Pokemon, Fire Emblem games (and more, but you get the point) and they don't get a rep from each individual game, especially Pokemon and FE.


Fire Emblem-
Marth should be in, as he still has a unique moveset (Ike has not replaced him). Is a good fast swordsman.

Nephenee :D She uses a lance (original moveset anyone?) and is a beast in FE:poR. Even though she is nothing more than a support character, she is more popular than a lot of characters from the game (probably only the "main" characters and Mia are more popular). She won't get in, but I would cry a river of joy if she did.

Lyn should have been playable even though she was a minor lord in her game. She also had a very large fanbase, could have easily gotten a unique moveset, and was the first FE lord that players got to use in the international FE release.

Sonic-
Third party, doesn't really need anymore reps unless they end up ATs
 

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I agree with most of what you say but still Fox only had 5 games and he gets like 4 reps while Mother had 3 games and they can only get 2, which sounds unfair.

For the FE thing never thoguht of Nephy as a PC and if she were that would be kicksmash!

As for Jigglypuff...IF it was based on the anime then it should be long gone form now since it hasnt been in an ep for a while. That and her popularity has died down.
 

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I agree with most of what you say but still Fox only had 5 games and he gets like 4 reps while Mother had 3 games and they can only get 2, which sounds unfair.
I don't support 4 Fox characters. I say Fox, Krystal, and either Falco OR Wolf. I would personally prefer Wolf, but I think the fans say Falco.

Just so there is no confusion.

For the FE thing never thoguht of Nephy as a PC and if she were that would be kicksmash!
Nephenee > All
I might make a topic for her just to see how much support there is XD
 

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Many people expect Fox's series to have 3-4 reps yet Mother can't have more then 2?

Sure Mother set the stage for Pokemon and AC but how come they can't have more then 3 reps?
Because it is an incredibly small series with only 3 games, none of which have sold phenominaly or been released worldwide. Not a single one. The Starfox series has had 5 games, with a few of them (particularly Lylat Wars) having rave reviews and phenominal sales. Not to mention the series is worldwide.
I don't see how people think that DK can't have at least 3 characters considering it has 23 games, 4th best selling Nintendo franchise (9th out of all series) selling only 4 million less copies than the Legend of Zelda as well as having a lot of characters with unlimited potential (K.Rool for example).
 

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Because it is an incredibly small series with only 3 games, none of which have sold phenominaly or been released worldwide.
Earthbound may not have sold phenomenally in America, but all of the Mother games are extremely famous in Japan, and Mother 3's sales were amazing in it's first week, if what you said was held in high regard, not even Ness would've been in Smash.
 

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From http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13783&hl=

"The legal situation surrounding Geno (and Vaati) is not the same as Sonic and Megaman. Yes, Geno is third party and owned by Square Enix but Nintendo really has more say in the character. Why? Because Geno was in a Mario game (a first party franchise owned by Nintendo) that makes him a Mario character. There's no getting around that. Because of this, Square Enix cannot legally use him outside of this context because (as the copyright says at the end of all Mario games) Nintendo owns all the scenarios that occur in the Mario games. Geno was part of the story in Super Mario RPG thus pulling him into the scenario AKA the story and plot points of the game. My point was proved both during the offical Melee and Brawl polls when Geno was, despite his legal situation, categorized as a Mario character and seperated from the other third party characters."
Again

Geno is owned by S/E. . . they can do w/e they want with him. He is a "Mario character" as in he was made for a Mario game/ originated in Mario games, but he is still owned by a 3rd party and is in no way owned by Nintendo.

Thats probly why he was listed with the mario characters. . . cause he is a Mario character. . . just owned by a 3rd party and not Nintendo which makes him a 3rd party character.

Realy, I wouldn't relay on some member's posted assumptions of his ownership over both S/E and Nintendo stating he is a S/E owned character.
 

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Earthbound may not have sold phenomenally in America, but all of the Mother games are extremely famous in Japan, and Mother 3's sales were amazing in it's first week, if what you said was held in high regard, not even Ness would've been in Smash.
Ness was only in the original because Earthbound 64 was supposed to released.
 
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