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I need help with marth plz

ISUCKWITHMARTH

Smash Rookie
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Hello. I just started playing this game not too long ago because my friends started bringing it into school and we started playing. I use marth but i dont know how to do good with him without the C stick. Ive watched ken videos and almost never uses the C stick and i want to be at the point where i dont use it either soon. Im very bad at the technical stuff but i just want to know what technical stuff is vital to marth and what i should learn. Also any combos or hints would also be helpful. Thankyou
 

Razgriz

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Marth huh? Well first off, know that at a beginner level, Marth gets ***** by Sheik. If any of ur pals like to use Sheik, don't even try with Marth. At professional levels of play, the disadvantage isn't as severe, but at the casual level? Forget about it. In the words of Ken: "Switch to Fox and **** the Ho."

Next thing to know: Marth is all about his grab. Grab often. Against opponents who don't know how to DI (your friends probably don't) The fthrow to fsmash (throw forward and immediately do the forward smash attack) *****. At higher damages, throwing up and juggling is a great strategy. Pretty much never use Marth's upsmash. It sucks. Use his uptilt. It owns the upsmash. Trust me. Juggle ur buddies with it. It's a blast. It's also a good strategy to throw them backwards, and then just sit there waiting for them to techroll back towards you, then you can just grab 'em again without even moving, making them look like an idiot. If they don't do this, just pay attention to what they habitualy do when you toss 'em, and either techchase, smash 'em, whatever works. Marth's grabgame is deadly.

Never use Marth's dsmash: Marth's Down smash sucks. To my knowledge there is never a situation in which another move wouldn't serve you better. Just don't use it.

Shield Grabbing is crucial: This works with Marth better than any other character, because he has the longest grab range of any char (that doesn't utilize a tool of some sort, like Samus and link, whos grabs are consequently slow as hell and almost useless to shieldgrab with.) Shield grabbing is ur best friend. Just sit there with ur shield on, and when somebody tries to hit u from ur front they will be stunned for a short time because they hit your shield; grab 'em, and punish them for being a slow learner with the grab strats I have mentioned thus far. When ur buddies catch on to shield grabbing, the jig isn't up! Often what people do to get around shieldgrabbing is to do an aerial attack and land behind you, so you can't grab 'em. Well, there is a counter for this counter. They still hit your shield, so they still have shield-hit-stun, so if you time it right, you can immediately jump from your shield and nail them with a down-A in the air. (Make sure to DI [directionaly influence away from them with the control stick] after nailing them with this attack)

All's FAir in Love and War: Marth's FAir (his forward aerial attack) is his best move IMO. It is fast as hell. So fast, that you can pull of two of them in a row from a shorthop (a very short jump executed by tapping the jump button for a very short span of time). It's great for combos and breaking ur opponent's combos.

Lord of the Edge: When your opponent is off the edge, Marth is a wizard at edgeguarding with his fsmash.

Seriously, the edge is urs: Wanna know an awsome trick? This works beautifully when you are outnumbered because it makes those numbers mean nothing. This is great in situations when you have a lot of damage and your opponent only needs one decent hit to kill you (e.g. you are on Corneria and you have 110% damage, and you are fighting a Fox, who only needs to grab you and throw you up once to nail you with an UAir (his scissors kick) and kill you. This is also how you deal with overzealous, overconfident, and over-aggressive players of every sort: Grab the edge. Ur opponent, believing he now has the advantage, has already been lulled into a false sense of security. Now, once he approaches you, let go of the edge by pressing away from the course with the stick. (Don't press down, it'll getcha killed) Then air jump, let the stick go neutral and press A to perform a NAir (neutral air attack). Fall back down to catch the edge. Ur opponent will often be unfazed and will continue his attempts to knock you out. Now alternate between pressing down on the stick to ff (fast fall) and jump back up to catch the edge (this will take you out of his range temporarily, and when you grab the edge you are invincible for a short period, so this strategy makes you harder to hit) and performing the ledgehopped (that's what letting go of the edge and air jumping back is called) NAir. Eventually, smarter and more experienced players may catch on, and attempt to shieldgrab this attack. All you have to do in this situation is push away from them as you hit them to DI out of shieldgrabbing range and then DI back towards the stage and grab the edge again. Rinse and repeat to wear down ur opponent's shield. This attack can also kill people if they have high enough of a percentage; all you got to do is DI forward as you NAir and finish the attack while ur behind them. Once your opponent realizes his mistake and backs off, it's often too late, and you can return to a more level playing field.

These are all the techniques I know that are really important, easy to pull off, and will **** noobs. As will all strats, there are ways around them, but noobs and casual players will fall victim to these strategies time and time again. To learn more advanced techniques just look up a proper Marth guide, and I strongly reccomend going to youtube and typing in "ssbm advanced how to play" and "wound of the wind" and "kaze no kizzu" and looking for videos of Ken, Azen, and other pro Marths and immitating them. Enjoy playing as Marth. You've picked an excellent player, with many strengths and few weaknesses.
 

Shai Hulud

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Use the c-stick.

Read AlphaZealot's thread and learn the techs.

For which techs are important to Marth check here.

Once you get the technical stuff down, start using it in real matches. You will probably suck for a long time but eventually it will pay off. When you've really mastered the techs and you can make Marth do whatever you want, then come back for strategies and the like. :)

Edit: Most of what Razgriz said is good advice. The shield-grab will help you a great deal against beginners, but against good Foxes, Falcos, or anyone spacing their aerials properly, overusing sheild-grabs will get you killed. Also, do NOT camp the edge against a Fox or Falco. All Fox has to do is hit you with one shine during your ledgehop and you're gone, and all Falco has to do is hit you with a dair, which he can do from on the stage.
 

Brightside6382

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TI strongly reccomend going to youtube and typing in "ssbm advanced how to play" and "wound of the wind" and "kaze no kizzu" and looking for videos of Ken, Azen, and other pro Marths and immitating them. Enjoy playing as Marth. You've picked an excellent player, with many strengths and few weaknesses.
Meh this part just bothered me. If you seriously want to use Marth DO NOT IMITATE KENS, AZENS, ETC, STYLE. Your are not (random pro) and you do not know why he plays the way he does. Marth is all about style and just playing smart, you can't imitate either so play the way you just feel most comfortable with.
 

Razgriz

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Meh this part just bothered me. If you seriously want to use Marth DO NOT IMITATE KENS, AZENS, ETC, STYLE. Your are not (random pro) and you do not know why he plays the way he does. Marth is all about style and just playing smart, you can't imitate either so play the way you just feel most comfortable with.
Good point. I look at those vids for pointers, but I don't immitate them. I've been told that I have a very stylized Marth (My friends have dubbed it Kakashi style due to my standing around waiting for an attack, and frequently standing still right next to them waiting for them to dodge or attack). I don't look at all like the pro Marths, and it's a good thing.
 

Shai Hulud

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Meh this part just bothered me. If you seriously want to use Marth DO NOT IMITATE KENS, AZENS, ETC, STYLE. Your are not (random pro) and you do not know why he plays the way he does. Marth is all about style and just playing smart, you can't imitate either so play the way you just feel most comfortable with.
Actually I've learned a great deal just by watching matches of pros. It's true, you need to know enough about the game to understand what they're doing it, but once you're to that point you can often discover new ways to use attacks that you hadn't thought about before.

MLG's Video on Demand is free now. They have running commentaries on most of the matches by Wife, Omnigamer, Alphazealot, and others. Check it out.
 

ISUCKWITHMARTH

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Can someone plz explain what is a smash, and a tilt and those other terms. im pretty sure a smash is the C stick and i think tilt is A button? Also are B button attacks any help at all?
 

Dark Sonic

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Before you sheild grab make sure they're actually in you grab range first. Missing a grab is really bad if your opponent knows how to punish you for it. Learn the range of Marths moves and the general direction and distance they send your opponent. You can work on mindgames after you've got a FAir amount of technical skill. lol...FAir. That one move will become your best friend so learn it first xD.
 

ISUCKWITHMARTH

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thanks alot for the advice so far i can already see myself improving. Ive been doing better in 1v1's against my friend who uses fox and i can beat my friend who used falco now. I especially liike the grab and then C stick for the tipper. and when their of the ledge i like to edge hog or just edgeguard by hitting down A attack
 

Razgriz

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thanks alot for the advice so far i can already see myself improving. Ive been doing better in 1v1's against my friend who uses fox and i can beat my friend who used falco now. I especially liike the grab and then C stick for the tipper. and when their of the ledge i like to edge hog or just edgeguard by hitting down A attack
If your friends play with the "space animals" (Fox and Falco) what you want to do is grab them, and throw up, catch them as they fall back down, hit them with a grab attack, throw back up, rinse and repeat. This is called chaingrabbing. When you know you can't grab them again because they went a little to high you can uptilt and then grab them again, or in some cases NAir them and grab them again, and what almost always works after tossing them up is popping out an F-smash with that C stick you've come to love so much. I do advise trying to not use the C stick when you are learning how to play. It can hamper progress, and is best implemented once you are already proficient at the game. I for instance just started using it again after a five year boycott.
 
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