I play as a kirby, and whenever I play against a local ness player, he uses ness's Dair when I'm on the ground. if I roll away, I can't punish the ending/landing lag, but If I sheild it, I slide too much to grab him, so he grabs me. If anyone has some advice, it would be greatly appreciated.
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I need an answer for ness's spike
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ballin4life
Smash Hero
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It's difficult to answer these types of questions unless you post some videos of your matches.
Also your question doesn't really make sense since aerials don't have landing lag if you z cancel
It's difficult to answer these types of questions unless you post some videos of your matches.
Also your question doesn't really make sense since aerials don't have landing lag if you z cancel
Cryptic C62
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Even if the opponent is proficient at Z-cancelling, Ness's dair against an opponent on (or near) the ground still leaves him vulnerable. Between the time that Ness starts his dair animation and hits the ground, the only way he can be controlled is left/right motion. If Ness DJCs poorly, he could end up floating a bit longer than intended.The problem facing our Kirby friend here is how to take advantage of these openings.
The most obvious answer in terms of Kirby's moveset is the utilt when facing away from the opponent. The other obvious answer is to not be on the ground! Work off of platforms or just abuse Kirby's 6 jumps. Protect yourself when you do need to land with Z-cancelled aerials (nair or fair should do).
The most obvious answer in terms of Kirby's moveset is the utilt when facing away from the opponent. The other obvious answer is to not be on the ground! Work off of platforms or just abuse Kirby's 6 jumps. Protect yourself when you do need to land with Z-cancelled aerials (nair or fair should do).
Tambor
Smash Journeyman
Don't get hit.
PS @ Crypctic: Ness' dair doesn't need to be z-canceled. Same goes for his uair. Both have no landing lag whatsoever. But it's true, it still leaves him vulnerable at times.
Daedatheus
Smash Lord
If you play as Kirby, use utilt.
Abuse it. Ness's dair may be beast, but Kirby's utilt is even moreso.
Shielding Ness's dair is often not the best idea because it has so much shieldstun, leading either to a free grab for Ness or the breaking of your shield if the Ness can DJC properly.
Have you ever tried dashdancing to avoid the dair? Gets you out of the way and right back in again to punish the missed attack.
Ness players who spam dair get pwned by this.
If he's DJCing his dairs, watch the timing, and you can actually fit in a grab or fsmash (kirby's fsmash is extremely fast and has great range).
Another thing, if you're playing as Kirby, don't use his grab as a punisher. In fact Kirby rarely needs to grab at all, his throws are terrible and he has better options for most situations.
Also, know this matchup - Kirby gimps Ness very easily, so just get him off the stage and screw over his crappy recovery, and safely return to the stage with your many jumps. This matchup is waaaay in Kirby's favour. Your opponent may just be better at the game than you, or you just don't have enough experience or control of your character to be able to formulate new ways to tackle your opponent's style on the fly. So, keep playing, and use the advice here.
Also post videos if possible! You'll get much more useful critiques that way that will get down to the core of your play issues.
Abuse it. Ness's dair may be beast, but Kirby's utilt is even moreso.
Shielding Ness's dair is often not the best idea because it has so much shieldstun, leading either to a free grab for Ness or the breaking of your shield if the Ness can DJC properly.
Have you ever tried dashdancing to avoid the dair? Gets you out of the way and right back in again to punish the missed attack.
Ness players who spam dair get pwned by this.
If he's DJCing his dairs, watch the timing, and you can actually fit in a grab or fsmash (kirby's fsmash is extremely fast and has great range).
Another thing, if you're playing as Kirby, don't use his grab as a punisher. In fact Kirby rarely needs to grab at all, his throws are terrible and he has better options for most situations.
Also, know this matchup - Kirby gimps Ness very easily, so just get him off the stage and screw over his crappy recovery, and safely return to the stage with your many jumps. This matchup is waaaay in Kirby's favour. Your opponent may just be better at the game than you, or you just don't have enough experience or control of your character to be able to formulate new ways to tackle your opponent's style on the fly. So, keep playing, and use the advice here.
Also post videos if possible! You'll get much more useful critiques that way that will get down to the core of your play issues.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
I love killing ness with falcon. Falcon can do so much to ness, I keep saying it his forward tilt ***** ness in so many ways, just have to throw it out there and angle it properly with a bunch of empty shorthops and fairs and ****.
Daedatheus
Smash Lord
No problem.
Don't underestimate Kirby's utilt, especially if Ness is at low damage. If you fmash him when he's near 0% he'll get some free hits on you. Utilt starts comboing from 0%, it's so BROKEN.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
cmon now jiggles and kirby utilt combos take skills what with the rest and all. pro ****. lets not forget shorthopping and using a drill, so pro!!1
a perfect 0-death with yoshi is so much easier more broken.
pikas fsmash 4 edgeguarding is pro 2 u gotta time it u only have like 10 seconds lol
a perfect 0-death with yoshi is so much easier more broken.
pikas fsmash 4 edgeguarding is pro 2 u gotta time it u only have like 10 seconds lol
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Ok, I'll admit I lol'd at this part.
I lol'd at your kirby utilt avatar
Daedatheus
Smash Lord
Practice utilting by tilting the joystick not too far or too fast. If you ever have a technical issue it's solved by simple practice. This issue should take you little time to master.
Also, if you hold up while performing another move that's going to lead into you doing a utilt, then you can utilt from the joystick already being held in the up position. For example dair -> hold joystick up now ("buffer" the uptilt) -> zcancel -> utilt x #
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
I hope you don't mean on n64, that would be sad sorry. Just because it involves tilting the stick and pressing one button...
online with some sh*tbox controller or keyboard, understandable it takes getting used to not ****ing up u-tilts sometimes!
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
If you are using a keyboard and not a controller, then you must use another attack/action (like jump) and then hold up during this. Once you are done with the action and are on the ground (still hold up) then just press A and viola!, up tilt!
(I love the ava Fireblaster. :D)
(I love the ava Fireblaster. :D)
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
I like how you guys automatically think they're using keyboard <_____<
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
I said I hope he's NOT on n64, because if you mess up utilts on console you have problems :S
Wenbobular
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I must agree with Dylan here, if you can't do tilts while thinking about it...go practice for a week against computers or something.
marthmaster04
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LMFAO!, i laughed for like 10 ****in minutes straight at your avatar, that should be Fckin illegal.