I hate customs

[PraiseTheSquid]

Call me crazy but I really think customs shouldn't be tournament legal.
Some of these customs are simply so ludicrous it amazes me that as a community we have agreed to let them used in competitive play.
Let's be a little specific here.
Imagine customs didn't exist but Donkey Kong's custom Neutral B that blows characters across the map was just a new regular attack he got in smash 4, everyone would complain he's too broken.
This logic applies to many of the customs.
There's no way some of these customs would be on the default character given customs didn't exist.

 

[Waluigi is too big]

There are already thread for this.

Spoiler

if Storm punch is the one you have a problem with, then maybe you should practice more

 

[LancerStaff]

I don't like them either, but for completely different reasons. There's really nothing that powerful.

My problem with them is that it buffs characters arbitrarily and randomly, and really isn't better then the default balance. I liked the sound of 'em in the beginning because of the explanation "Worse characters have worse specials and even randomly distributed moves would fall in the same range, meaning everybody ends up with great specials." The problem being that great characters can still have bad specials, and great specials can become even better. It's not remotely balanced.

 

[Waluigi is too big]

I don't like them either, but for completely different reasons. There's really nothing that powerful.

My problem with them is that it buffs characters arbitrarily and randomly, and really isn't better then the default balance. I liked the sound of 'em in the beginning because of the explanation "Worse characters have worse specials and even randomly distributed moves would fall in the same range, meaning everybody ends up with great specials." The problem being that great characters can still have bad specials, and great specials can become even better. It's not remotely balanced.

I don't really see it as buffs, More like giving characters more options to work against certain match ups. For example, as a ganon main I enjoy being able to approach R.O.B or have a way to get around luma.

edit: another example is how Boss switched to Ice fireballs because he had trouble with Average joe's DK.

 

[LancerStaff]

I don't really see it as buffs, More like giving characters more options to work against certain match ups. For example, as a ganon main I enjoy being able to approach R.O.B or have a way to get around luma.

And then Villager and Rosalina take those advantages away for most. It's random buffs and not any more balanced then default.

 

[PraiseTheSquid]

There are already thread for this.

Spoiler

if Storm punch is the one you have a problem with, then maybe you should practice more

How does one practice against storm punch?

 

[Kurri ★]

How does one practice against storm punch?

Play someone who has uses storm punch? Just go to the DK boards, I'm sure someone is willing to train with you.

Being a Palu main, I may be biased, but I don't really see the problem with them. Just means you gotta learn more match ups

 

[Duck SMASH!]

Call me crazy but I really think customs shouldn't be tournament legal.
Some of these customs are simply so ludicrous it amazes me that as a community we have agreed to let them used in competitive play.
Let's be a little specific here.
Imagine customs didn't exist but Donkey Kong's custom Neutral B that blows characters across the map was just a new regular attack he got in smash 4, everyone would complain he's too broken.
This logic applies to many of the customs.
There's no way some of these customs would be on the default character given customs didn't exist.

The whole point of customs is to increase the options available to a character, and to add unique properties to their attacks that would be out of place anywhere else.
We KNOW that DK isn't actually an airbender, but WHAT IF he could? We KNOW that Luigi doesn't shoot ice, but what if we added it as a reference to his Poltergust 3000 from Luigi's Mansion, which DID shoot ice?
It can be excellent fan service, or a vehicle for the crazier ideas the devs had for characters' specials. I don't see the problem here.

Back to DK, storm punch itself is weakened a lot, and the windbox is only a major threat offstage. It has no super armor, and can still be interrupted by a quick attack or grab.
It is not in any way broken. Just practice dealing with it more and don't get gimped by the windbox offstage. Recover low, and Dk has no chance of blowing you back with it (but he can still spike you with his several meteor smashes).

 

[Sixfortyfive]

1) Donkey Kong is allowed to be a decent character with decent moves.

2) http://smashboards.com/threads/a-mo...aracters-should-not-be-allowed-at-evo.392853/

3) Get gud.

We KNOW that Luigi doesn't shoot ice, but what if we added it as a reference to his Poltergust 3000 from Luigi's Mansion, which DID shoot ice?

The Ice Flower is a thing in at least 3 major Mario games, maybe more.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

I don't like them either, but for completely different reasons. There's really nothing that powerful.

My problem with them is that it buffs characters arbitrarily and randomly, and really isn't better then the default balance. I liked the sound of 'em in the beginning because of the explanation "Worse characters have worse specials and even randomly distributed moves would fall in the same range, meaning everybody ends up with great specials." The problem being that great characters can still have bad specials, and great specials can become even better. It's not remotely balanced.

Well that's just straight-up not true. The balance we've seen from customs-on has seen quite a few formerly non-viable or marginal characters rise to prominence (DK, Wii Fit Trainer), while the top tier has gotten remarkably little (Shiek and Diddy simply don't have good customs, and Rosalina's customs don't help her in most of her already-good matchups, whereas numerous characters get crucial tools to use against her). The balance simply is tighter, with considerably fewer non-viable characters and considerably fewer horribly skewed matchups. We've seen this in tournaments, too.

 

[moofpi]

Well that's just straight-up not true. The balance we've seen from customs-on has seen quite a few formerly non-viable or marginal characters rise to prominence (DK, Wii Fit Trainer), while the top tier has gotten remarkably little (Shiek and Diddy simply don't have good customs, and Rosalina's customs don't help her in most of her already-good matchups, whereas numerous characters get crucial tools to use against her). The balance simply is tighter, with considerably fewer non-viable characters and considerably fewer horribly skewed matchups. We've seen this in tournaments, too.

I agree in general, but Rosalina did get many more options that cover any weaknesses she had her in defense. She now has the star bit "Falco laser" for long range, forcing the approach. Teleporting Luma to control space without even being present or having to go offstage, and being about to attack out of teleport. Her Up B customs cover her limited recovery by letting her go even deeper and coming back, or going under the stage to the other side, or getting a hitbox on the way back. I haven't seen too much on her Down B customs but I have heard complaints about the Big Luma that blocks projectiles and hits characters, which covers her match ups against characters without projectiles that wouldn't be bothered by her Gravity Down B.

tl;dr God I hate Rosalina.

 

[DunnoBro]

To call the customs "Arbitrary" or random is faulty.

Customs were obviously designed to help characters function in different environments. This is obvious since most of the top characters that function properly in 1v1 have only decent or worse customs. Others like ganon or dk that stereotypically perform better in free for alls, got customs to help them function in 1v1s.

Does this mean customs were strictly designed with 1v1 competitive balance in mind? No, they weren't. But they weren't random or arbitrary either.

Imagine customs didn't exist but Donkey Kong's custom Neutral B that blows characters across the map was just a new regular attack he got in smash 4, everyone would complain he's too broken.

People aren't even complaining that wind punch is broken now. The cyclone definitely would be argued broken (since it already is) but the wind punch is honestly just a good move. I'm sure some would complain, but on the same scale flare blitz, boost kick, and quick attack were complained about.

Also, people complaining about things being broken doesn't mean they are. (Especially hypothetical complaining)

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I agree in general, but Rosalina did get many more options that cover any weaknesses she had her in defense. She now has the star bit "Falco laser" for long range, forcing the approach. Teleporting Luma to control space without even being present or having to go offstage, and being about to attack out of teleport. Her Up B customs cover her limited recovery by letting her go even deeper and coming back, or going under the stage to the other side, or getting a hitbox on the way back. I haven't seen too much on her Down B customs but I have heard complaints about the Big Luma that blocks projectiles and hits characters, which covers her match ups against characters without projectiles that wouldn't be bothered by her Gravity Down B.

tl;dr God I hate Rosalina.

Yeah, honestly, everything is fine except Rosalina, lol. Character is atrocious.