I had an epiphany last night

[Cubelarooso]

I'm sorry if this has been said before, I have no idea what to search for. Close it if it has.


Stuff everyone knows:
Sakurai invented Kirby and Metaknight.
No one really knows what the hell is up with Metaknight, as it's never been explained, but there obviously is something.
Sakurai left Hal, who still owns his characters.
Sakurai is making Brawl, which has his characters in it, and (barring another Smash in five years and some crazy possibility of Sakurai buying/making another game for Kirby) this is his last chance with them.
Sakurai introduced a story mode (SSE) into Brawl, something that was completely absent from the previous ones.
Sakurai has stated SSE will have character development.
Halberd, Metaknight's ship, is featured prominently in this mode.
Kirby is featured since the beginning, and has become a team leader.

Last night my mind randomly put all that information together, and it all just became so obvious.
See if you can figure it out yourself first, but

Spoiler

Sakurai's going to use SSE to finally resolve Metaknights goals, alliance, and origins.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

I hope you're right, but even though Sakurai said he will have character development, I don't think SSB is meant to tell us anything about the characters we didn't already know... I mean, maybe we'll see Meta Knight team up with Kirby, but that might not be his ultimate plans, you know what I mean?

 

[Shiny Ivysaur]

A nice idea to be sure, but I'm certain Sakurai already has that blueprinted for the lucky individuals at HAL for them to release at a later date.

 

[SirroMinus1]

MK Should have his own game. sorry if this has nothing to do with anything.

 

[notftomearth7]

Keeping in mind what you said, it'll probably be moreorless a side story. If it is mentioned to frequently though, it will become incredibly annoying.

 

[sheikattack]

It could be that he wants to say something new about his characters, but I don't understand why there won't be another Kirby game, especially if there are already three confirmed Kirby characters in Brawl.

 

[Chaos Paladin]

i dont know ANYTHING about metaknight. idk if theres anything to know or not either. I played air ride but that had no story so it didnt help. ive never seen the kirby anime so idk if meta is good or bad. it sounds logical but not realy that groundbreaking

 

[Pyroloserkid]

I think what he meant by Character Development is a story line solely based on Smash Bros.

I don't think character ties with others in SSE will affect the character in games to come. Although this is a great a logical idea, this is not what I think Sakurai will be doing.

 

[Cubelarooso]

but I don't understand why there won't be another Kirby game

It's not that there won't be any more Kirby games, just that they (likely) won't be made by Sakurai. If he doesn't take this chance to finish his story how he wants it finished, he'll probably never get another one, and we'll never know what the deal is with Meta Knight.

i dont know ANYTHING about metaknight. … idk if meta is good or bad.

Neither does anyone else

 

[raymanbud714]

I believe meta knight... is kinda like say Knuckles, or vegeta. he's stubborn an easily manipulated but extremely powerful i believe hes good but most evil creatures can take control of him because wasnt meta knight made from the nightmares in dreamland?

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Didn't the show or some other source point out MetaKnight and Kirby are of the same species?

 

[dodoromeo]

rofl how trippy would it be if metaknight IS the Ancient Minister lol

 

[InvincibleAgent]

rofl how trippy would it be if metaknight IS the Ancient Minister lol

That would be quite awesome. And he helped Kirby in the past to make sure that the world was set to be broken and carried into Subspace...

 

[Xarias]

Metaknight is like Kirby's rival. Not good or evil, just opposing Kirby. He is an honorable guy, and always fights fair, which is why he always gives Kirby a weapon before they fight.

This is based off what I've experienced in the Kirby games. I dunno what the cartoon says.

 

[pass the syrup]

No. Metaknight's origins will be described in his new movie coming out in 2009, Metaknight: The Beggining...

 

[raymanbud714]

the cartoon i certaintly believe is BS. but xarias is right he is honerable. and is kirbys rival which does make since why hes helping the evil dudes! they probably stroke a deal if meta knight helps them... meta knight gets kirby!

 

[Emokirby4]

I don't think it will be featured too predominantly; however, it's a pretty good bet that Meta's mask will come off, like in so many kirby games. Because of Brawls graphics being far superior to those past kirby titles, it is quite possible that we will get a better feel for what is behind Metaknight's Mask.

 

[Kentalish]

soooo mods why isnt this thread closed? it has nothing to do with anything right?

ontopic:

I think you are right dude but i think he could make more kirby games with Sora

 

[Bosh]

so this whole thread got out of topic really fast in only to pages haha but i think the guy that made this thread has a valid point.

 

[Johnknight1]

soooo mods why isnt this thread closed? it has nothing to do with anything right? ontopic: I think you are right dude but i think he could make more kirby games with Sora

Well...he has three games at Sora to make after Brawl! XD Expect Meta Knight (and Wario) to be the two-faced character in the story, Kirby thd good, and King Dedede to be a tool of the Subspace Army-while he is tricked into thinking he runs the show! XD That's how it ALWAYS end! XD

 

[Level 9]

The game Kirby's Super Star with which Meta Knight gets his persona for Brawl explained most of these things...

My memory isn't 100% but this is what I remember...

Meta Knight is basically your average video game anti-christ, in this case everything Kirby is Meta Knight is not...

Kirby, much like most of Dream Land is VERY lazy and is more then content eating & sleeping his days away unless otherwise provoked... That is something that Meta Knight has no tolerance for & is what provoked him to try and conquer dream land in an attempt to prove to everyone that his way of life was better...

As far as his mask go's... I believe that in the instruction booklet that came with the game under the character profiles it said "He wheres a mask to hide his cute face"... Seems he hates being a pretty boy... lol

 

[Spellman]

The game Kirby's Super Star with which Meta Knight gets his persona for Brawl explained most of these things...

My memory isn't 100% but this is what I remember...

Meta Knight is basically your average video game anti-christ, in this case everything Kirby is Meta Knight is not...

Kirby, much like most of Dream Land is VERY lazy and is more then content eating & sleeping his days away unless otherwise provoked... That is something that Meta Knight has no tolerance for & is what provoked him to try and conquer dream land in an attempt to prove to everyone that his way of life was better...

As far as his mask go's... I believe that in the instruction booklet that came with the game under the character profiles it said "He wheres a mask to hide his cute face"... Seems he hates being a pretty boy... lol

Yeah sounds about right. I figured he wants to hide the fact that he looks like Kirby.

Even though most have seen him without his mask and seen some character development beyond an honorable fight, I think there is still a certain mystery lurking behind him.

Kinda like Mario and Peach. I think it may just be one of those things that might never be explained or looked into in any of the games.

Still a good idea, though.

 

[Level 9]

Yeah sounds about right. I figured he wants to hide the fact that he looks like Kirby.

Even though most have seen him without his mask and seen some character development beyond an honorable fight, I think there is still a certain mystery lurking behind him.

In a somewhat broader sense I almost get the feeling he hates being a dream'ish being in general & dresses himself up in menacing looking clothing to make himself look a little bit more like the nightmare he longs to be...

 

[lukintosh]

Yeah Kirby for Prez!

 

[yogho]

I'm sorry if this has been said before, I have no idea what to search for. Close it if it has.


Stuff everyone knows:
Sakurai invented Kirby and Metaknight.
No one really knows what the hell is up with Metaknight, as it's never been explained, but there obviously is something.
Sakurai left Hal, who still owns his characters.

Not really true, as already stated Metaknight is something like Vegeta.
Aside from Kirby Superstar where Metaknight suddenly became a badguy. He always was a goodguy with honor but he doesn't want to show that. he also always gave kirby a sword before the battle showing him that he was a true oppenent.

Sakurai is making Brawl, which has his characters in it, and (barring another Smash in five years and some crazy possibility of Sakurai buying/making another game for Kirby) this is his last chance with them.

Also not true, there is already a kirby game in devlopment what was first announced for the cube and now has been changed for a release for the wii
(release date and name of the game unkown)

Sakurai introduced a story mode (SSE) into Brawl, something that was completely absent from the previous ones.
Sakurai has stated SSE will have character development.
Halberd, Metaknight's ship, is featured prominently in this mode.
Kirby is featured since the beginning, and has become a team leader.

How do you know? Just one movie doesn't show that Kirby is a team leader plus the Halberd could also just been highjacked by the Minister. You don't know.

Last night my mind randomly put all that information together, and it all just became so obvious.
See if you can figure it out yourself first, but

Spoiler

Sakurai's going to use SSE to finally resolve Metaknights goals, alliance, and origins.

Conclusion: With the things told at the Dojo we have too little evidence that this is true. Also everything that you said is not at the order right now.

Everything is just a bit weird here.

This topic can be closed.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Just because some people have offered their opinion doesn't mean the topic can be closed.

Hello! Other people here! You're not the only one that counts!

Anyway, back on topic. I think that the assumption that Meta Knight works with the bad guys is something that the devs are hoping for, so you can be pleasantly surprised when you find out the real truth. I've heard speculation that MK is the AM, which would be cool, or maybe they just stole his ship.

 

[Igneous42]

I hope you're right, but even though Sakurai said he will have character development, I don't think SSB is meant to tell us anything about the characters we didn't already know... I mean, maybe we'll see Meta Knight team up with Kirby, but that might not be his ultimate plans, you know what I mean?

SSE isn't going to be cannon to other series plots. Maybe kirby will be an exception but doubt it.

 

[yogho]

Just because some people have offered their opinion doesn't mean the topic can be closed.

Hello! Other people here! You're not the only one that counts!

Anyway, back on topic. I think that the assumption that Meta Knight works with the bad guys is something that the devs are hoping for, so you can be pleasantly surprised when you find out the real truth. I've heard speculation that MK is the AM, which would be cool, or maybe they just stole his ship.

This topic is currently not equal to the dojo. So it can't be discussed because there is already a new game of kirby in progress and this game is not a part of the kirby games plot it's a game that stands alone so that's why this topic can be closed.

If you want to share these kinds of opinions you are better off at a kirby forum.

 

[Evolver]

btw there is allready a annouced Kirby game for WII

@topic:
in think the develpment will only stick to smash , and if the characters change then this will be in their acutall games

 

[MR.WIGZ]

i though meta was kirbys mentor and all the stuff kirby was doing was just training for an even bigger task

 

[Rx-]

Metaknight has always been somewhat questionable. I hope he is an unresolved and indifferent criminal who always fights for the winning side. What do you guys think?

 

[MR.WIGZ]

I don't think it will be featured too predominantly; however, it's a pretty good bet that Meta's mask will come off, like in so many kirby games. Because of Brawls graphics being far superior to those past kirby titles, it is quite possible that we will get a better feel for what is behind Metaknight's Mask.

his mask came off in superstar

 

[InvincibleAgent]

This topic is currently not equal to the dojo. So it can't be discussed because there is already a new game of kirby in progress and this game is not a part of the kirby games plot it's a game that stands alone so that's why this topic can be closed.

If you want to share these kinds of opinions you are better off at a kirby forum.

The topic is the storyline of the SubSpace Emissary mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Meta Knight's involvement in it.

If you want to ignore that, then you are a spammer.

Back on topic:

To Mr. Wigz:

... Okay? Yes, Brawl's graphics are superior to Super Star's. So if his mask comes off, it will be in keeping to what the person you're quoting is saying.

 

[yogho]

The topic is the storyline of the SubSpace Emissary mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Meta Knight's involvement in it.

If you want to ignore that, then you are a spammer.

Back on topic:

To Mr. Wigz:

... Okay? Yes, Brawl's graphics are superior to Super Star's. So if his mask comes off, it will be in keeping to what the person you're quoting is saying.

I'm a spammer? This topic is about the plot of metaknight in the story line of the kirby games. And that plot will be told in ssbb. ACCORDING TO THE OP.

And i think that's not true, infact i think there will be none.

Again, THIS GAME STANDS ALONE. It will not involve any plots of other games.

If this topic is about metaknight involvement in ssbb then i think that metaknight will have his own 'made up' plot in the ssb universe and it will not involve any of the kirby games.

Thinking about that, did any character got his own major plot in a ssb game?

No.

 

[Ryudragon29]

I'm a spammer? This topic is about the plot of metaknight in the story line of the kirby games. And that plot will be told in ssbb. ACCORDING TO THE OP.

And i think that's not true, infact i think there will be none.

Again, THIS GAME STANDS ALONE. It will not involve any plots of other games.

If this topic is about metaknight involvement in ssbb then i think that metaknight will have his own 'made up' plot in the ssb universe and it will not involve any of the kirby games.

Thinking about that, did any character got his own major plot in a ssb game?

No.

Brawl =/= the other Smash.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Why are you hell-bent on getting this topic closed? For your information, Sakurai himself has stated that this game will go beyond the other Smash games in the story department. From the Dojo:

"The Adventure mode also emphasizes character development. You’ll see many famous characters persevering under the weight of their personal histories, shouldering their unique burdens... It’s really something you won’t see anywhere else."

See? This topic is discussing that storyline which, he stated officially, exists! The topic is the story of SSBB's SSE. The subject of past Kirby games has been brought up only to add speculation to the SSE's story, it is not off-topic in any sense.

And that aside, the idea that there will not be a story concerning Meta Knight is nothing more than your personal opinion. These boards are about observations made of Brawl, but before that can happen to any comprehensive extent, these boards are also about speculation of Brawl. So don't try to stop us from speculation, when the topic is clearly on the right forum

 

[Cubelarooso]

Not really true, as already stated Metaknight is something like Vegeta.
Aside from Kirby Superstar where Metaknight suddenly became a badguy. He always was a goodguy with honor but he doesn't want to show that. he also always gave kirby a sword before the battle showing him that he was a true oppenent.

But we still don't know WHY he fights Kirby or WHERE he came from.

Also not true, there is already a kirby game in devlopment what was first announced for the cube and now has been changed for a release for the wii
(release date and name of the game unkown)

But is it being made by Sakurai? No? Then that doesn't disprove what I said at all, now does it?

How do you know? Just one movie doesn't show that Kirby is a team leader

Get with the times, man. There is WAY more than one movie, one of which shows Kirby leading Peach.

plus the Halberd could also just been highjacked by the Minister. You don't know.

That's right, I don't know. I never said I did.
What I do know (based on the videos and what Sakurai said), and what I said, is that the Halberd plays a major role in the SSE.
What I also know (based on the games, Sakurai, and MK's giant ego), and said, is that the Halberd is MK's ship.
Even if he's not the captain, the fact that the Halberd is so important leads me (and hopefully you, too) to believe that MK must also have some role in it. We don't know what that role is, but whatever it is, I think it'll reveal who MK is.

This topic can be closed.

Why?

I don't think it will be featured too predominantly

Well, yeah, of course the entire thing won't be based on that, but it could show up at some climactic point.

SSE isn't going to be cannon to other series plots. Maybe kirby will be an exception but doubt it.

The other games have occasionally drawn stuff from Smash.
Besides, Kirby is a major exception to this. Sakurai made Kirby, so Hal will probably take whatever Sakurai says in the SSE as canon, despite not being stated in previous Kirby games.
I must bring up Master Hand, Crazy Hand, and the Smash ability in Amazing Mirror (which, oddly enough, was the first Kirby game after Sakurai resigned).

 

[InvincibleAgent]

SSE isn't going to be cannon to other series plots. Maybe kirby will be an exception but doubt it.

I wasn't saying it would. I was referring entirely to events that happen within the SSE.

 

[yogho]

No No No, i'm not hell-bent on closing this.

I think MetaKnight's plot (i'm talking about why he's sometimes evil or good etc) will not be told in ssbb. And the OP think's the opposite of it.

If it would be told why will there be other kirby games? The mysterie around MetaKnight stays so that people will play the game. Do you get what i'm trying to say here?
There is already a new game of kirby in development and that game was announced way before ssbb.
So if his major plotline will be told then the new kirby game will be a little bit empty, dont you think?

Maybe there will be a side plot of the kirby universe but nothing big, especially not that big that it will tell the whole plot of metaknight.

Think about it, if you started up the newest kirby game and suddenly metaknight is all different and your thinking: "what the hell ,this isnt right".
Think about the people who dont play ssbb. They will miss a major plot and it's just a bit weird that a big game will be continued on another game that has nothing to do with kirby.

I hope i made my point, still IM NOT HELL-BENT ON CLOSING THIS. I just think this thread is not neccesary.

 

[RedKnight]

I would love more info and stuff on Meta Knight, it would be VERY cool for SE, I think it would also be cool if he had his own game but also not because I remember Shadow the Hedgehog That was a TERRIBLE game, and I dont want o see that happen to MK