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I finally did it. I am the greatest Fox in the world.

Han Solo

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I had my first shield-break with Fox today. It was all one combo on my roommate's DK. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. Of course it went unrecorded though. It was like a unicorn flying through a double-rainbow.

I know no one is going to believe the noob with 30 posts, so I'll upload a video of me breaking a shield whenever I do it again.

(Also, the thread title is hyperbole)
 

Battlecow

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I think he means shine only

We've discussed this before, that was what he was going for

I know tank can do shines+usmash, but I've never seen shines only.
 

The Star King

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I highly doubt dair -> shines legit combos but that many shines in a row is hard to pull off anyways so congrats I guess
 

Han Solo

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If it makes any difference, the dair wasn't executed at the top of the short-hop. It was input a little lower while fox was falling.
 

SheerMadness

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My melee friend who rarely ever plays ssb64 broke my shield with only shines on console.

And Maddy has broken it a couple times online.
 

SheerMadness

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American version. It was actually on the wii virtual console so he was using a game cube controller. I doubt that makes it any easier though.
 

XKCP

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Shines are the best.

Gratz to the OP for his first shield-break.

I usually just end them with Usmash for style though.

Btw, does anyone else try to reflect projectiles, like boomerang, using Shine cancel? Hard, but very lulz against people. They lose their mind.
 

asianaussie

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what, stop hacking, fox's shine is only for spiking

a shield break with pure shines is objectively more stylish than a boring u-smash break

alternatively, break with the first hit of dair
 

clubbadubba

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Btw, does anyone else try to reflect projectiles, like boomerang, using Shine cancel? Hard, but very lulz against people. They lose their mind.
I pretty much only use shine cancel to reflect projectiles. standing shine is just to slow.
 

clubbadubba

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i prefer to shine cancel projectiles if possible, it usually allows for a good follow up. Its not that hard, just do it vs lvl 9's for a while until you get the timing of each projectile.
 

TANK64

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^^Don't feel bad. Taylor Swift finds everything difficult.

I know tank can do shines+usmash, but I've never seen shines only.
I just did one like the day before yesterday xD (no vid of course ;) , it was against a cpu).


Also, I got a Fox* and Falcon shield break on Darth in the same day :cool:. What a victim.





*The Fox one started with a reflected charge shot.
 

Sangoku

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Huh I didn't make a thread when I broke a shield with Fox.

Congrats anyway, since there aren't so many players who did it.

I maintain that the diffoculty of this is overrated.

:phone:
 

Morin0

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Breaking a shield with Kirby is hard. It's always difficult to space the u-tilt to maintain shield pressure since the hitbox on it is so small.

:phone:
 

asianaussie

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the hitstun is terrible too, they should make it greater, so you can pivot towards the enemy and continue u-tilting if they're somehow too far away
 

clubbadubba

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I think it's pretty difficult personally
Maybe you are trying to do frame perfect shine cancels? I definitely do shine cancels slower for projectiles to be safe. My shine cancels when shining the other character are much faster.

Kirby is the worst
 

B Link

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The thread made me feel like doing another tier list:

Easiest-to-shieldbreak-with tier list (S = easiest)
(This list takes into consideration how often the opportunity arises for specific types of shieldbreaking, e.g. hitting an opponent who is shielding against the wall is rarer than hitting an opponent who is shielding on long platforms. Also, it is in regard to n64 console playing only.)

S
Yoshi
Kirby

A
Mario
Ness
Luigi

B
Link
Samus
DK

C
Falcon
Fox
Jigglypuff
Pikachu
 

RickySSB

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he's joking ricky, the next sentence talks about the u-tilt having too small a hitbox
I am the enemy of the double sence or Irony.

My personal list (from Rickypedia) of easy shield break:

S
Kirby
Yoshi

A
Ness
Luigi
Mario
Falcon

B
Link
Jigglypuff (Pound)
DK
Samus

C
Fox
Pikachu
 

ballin4life

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Maybe you are trying to do frame perfect shine cancels? I definitely do shine cancels slower for projectiles to be safe. My shine cancels when shining the other character are much faster.

Kirby is the worst
yeah i try to do perfect shine cancels maybe that's my problem


shield break tier list:

All the time tier:
Yoshi
Ness
Kirby

Sometimes tier:
Mario
Luigi

Rarely tier:
Samus
Link

Basically never tier:
DK
Jiggs
Falcon
Pikachu
Fox


I feel like I've seen random shield breaks with Pika from repeated usmashes, whereas IIRC I've only seen one Fox shield break in my life (shines).

Jiggs might have some ways to break shield using Rest on shield or using pound, but why the hell would you do that when you can just grab?

DK I think I've seen it from giant punch
 

Morin0

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I once managed to break a shield with Jigglypuff's rest on a non-CPU player. I can't remember if I managed to wake up on time or if I got punished afterwards.
 

SheerMadness

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You have to take difficulty into account. So Kirby is the easiest since all you have to do is stand there and up tilt and shield breaks are pretty common.

Ness and Yoshi are obviously a lot harder thus way more room for error (can you even mess up a kirby shield break lolol??).
 

Morin0

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You have to take difficulty into account. So Kirby is the easiest since all you have to do is stand there and up tilt and shield breaks are pretty common.

Ness and Yoshi are obviously a lot harder thus way more room for error (can you even mess up a kirby shield break lolol??).
You can mess up Kirby's up-tilt shield break depending how far they are from you. For example, if you're facing away from them and they're pretty close to you, you can have the ultimate u-tilt that is able to combo/juggle them if they don't shield and the full shield stun if they are shielding. If you're facing them and they manage to get hit by your u-tilt, it's kind of a light tap but you're still able to juggle them if they aren't shielding but if they are you still have a decent amount of shield pressure but they can escape it if you're too far away and your u-tilt barely reaches them. So basically a Kirby can mess up the shield break if they don't space properly and realign accordingly because the u-tilt pushes them away. If you're in this situation, you can just turn around or pivot accordingly to get that shieldbreak.

I find Ness easier to shieldbreak than Yoshi. Ness and Yoshi have it bad because if you don't time it correctly, you can get punished and since DJC requires your second jump, you're ****ed if you get hit out of it. Yoshi has no recovery and well, we all know how horrible Ness is. My only gripe with Ness is that like Fox (shine cancelling), sometimes I DJC too quickly and no move comes out so I guess that's a pretty common error.
 

blaze3927

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Rarely tier:
Samus

Basically never tier:
DK
Jiggs
...
you must be new here

samus: up B (requires weaker shield/ ledge cancelled arial), Samus U smash
DK: any aerial, GIANT punch

jiggs: dair x 10000000000000000000000000, aerial, fsmash, rest

seen more than 10 of these,
 

Sangoku

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Maybe we should get back to the shield thread to discuss shieldbreaks? That was my initial idea, but I've been too busy/unmotivated for a long time...
As I said in my thread, It could be cool to rate all the shieldbreaks by how situational they are and how difficult they are. Then we could establish a character shieldbreak tier list (that we could also post in MATTS! various tier lists thread).
 

The Star King

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shield break tier list:

All the time tier:
Yoshi
Ness
Kirby

Sometimes tier:
Mario
Luigi

Rarely tier:
Samus
Link

Basically never tier:
DK
Jiggs
Falcon
Pikachu
Fox
I think Samus shieldbreaks are at least as frequent as Luigi if not more, otherwise really good list (unlike any other tier list you've made :troll:)
 

ballin4life

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I think Samus shieldbreaks are at least as frequent as Luigi if not more, otherwise really good list (unlike any other tier list you've made :troll:)
you know we submitted almost exactly the same tier list for that back room tier list thing? i guess putting mario 4th was enough to make it a horrible list though ;)
 
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