An AIM conversation I had with an old Poke-friend of mine, who seems to have gone senile. Funny read, if you want to read through the whole thing. I doubt this'll get anyone's attention, I just wanted to share my frustration with the world.
BRanDoRKeR: so out of curiousity, why is Garchomp still Uber?
Rayku: Because people are 100% convinced that Platinum didn't make him any worse
Rayku: and he still *****
BRanDoRKeR: I feel hes worse
BRanDoRKeR: Latias can **** his ****
Rayku: he's not worse
BRanDoRKeR: and so can Scizor
BRanDoRKeR: hes not worse, but the meta is better
Rayku: scarfchomp beats Latias
Rayku: and Scizor cannot **** his ****, sorry
BRanDoRKeR: scarf Latias beats scarfchomp
BRanDoRKeR: now what?
BRanDoRKeR: yes he can
BRanDoRKeR: and you know it!
Rayku: LOL
Rayku: 'cause, you know, Fire Fang/Blast/Flamethrower don't beat Scizor
Rayku: you could toss a match at Scizor and he'd die
Rayku: Scarf Latias beats him, yes. But then, that'd be it
Rayku: and Latias shouldn't be OU anyway
BRanDoRKeR: why shouldnt Latias be in OU?
Rayku: because she's overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: Blissey says no to that idea
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: ANY special attacker is overpowered
Rayku: BLISSEY LOLZ
Rayku: yeah, cool logic
Rayku: so, Darkrai isn't OP
BRanDoRKeR: huh?
Rayku: Mewtwo certainly isn't uber
Rayku: You realize that Blissey walls every special attacker in the game with special attacks save for Kyogre?
BRanDoRKeR: yes
BRanDoRKeR: whats your point?
BRanDoRKeR: how is Latias "overpowered" then when Blissey walls the **** out of it?
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: Latios is overused
Rayku: rather, Latios is uber
Rayku: Blissey walls the **** out of him
BRanDoRKeR: yes
Rayku: but, Latios is still uber
Rayku: that doesn't make any sense?
BRanDoRKeR: true
BRanDoRKeR: why?
Rayku: Because Latios is ****ing too strong
Rayku: 394 x 1.5 + Draco Meteor is -****-
Rayku: Latias's typing, speed and power make her overpowered
Rayku: like
Rayku: Cresselia completely walls Infernape
Rayku: but, Cresselia is UU
Rayku: and Infernape is still OU
BRanDoRKeR: thats the game man
Rayku: Yeah
BRanDoRKeR: your missing that point
Rayku: What ol
BRanDoRKeR: everything has its strengths and weaknesses
Rayku: Yeah
Rayku: Latias has its strengths and weaknesses
Rayku: her strengths greatly overshadow her weaknesses
Rayku: like, seriously
BRanDoRKeR: a **** *** poke in UU could wall an OU poke
Rayku: I want you to go to Smogon and present your logic to them about Latios
BRanDoRKeR: Im not talking about Latios
BRanDoRKeR: never was
BRanDoRKeR: Im talking about Garchomp
Rayku: Well, I am
BRanDoRKeR: you went on the tangent sir
Rayku: because your logic dictates that Latios is not uber
BRanDoRKeR: did I say that?
Rayku: No
Rayku: but
Rayku: once again, l2read
Rayku: your logic dictates that
Rayku: I never said "You said Latios is not uber"
BRanDoRKeR: so where do I need to "learn to read"?
BRanDoRKeR: when I never said anythign like that?
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: you say Latias is overused
Rayku: why do you say that
Rayku: your logic was "Blissey walls it completely"
BRanDoRKeR: I never said that either
BRanDoRKeR: lol
Rayku: right?
Rayku: Yes you did
BRanDoRKeR: I said that Latias counters Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: and thats it
Rayku: dude
Rayku: I'm going to cite you right here and now
BRanDoRKeR: do it
Rayku: excuse me dearly
Rayku: you said Latias is not overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: cite me
BRanDoRKeR: find it
BRanDoRKeR: I dare y9ou
BRanDoRKeR: do it now!
Rayku: BRanDoRKeR: how is Latias "overpowered" then when Blissey walls the **** out of it?
BRanDoRKeR: I was quoting you
BRanDoRKeR: you said shes overpowered
Rayku: What?
Rayku: Yes
Rayku: I said she's overpowered
Rayku: what the **** are you saying LOL
BRanDoRKeR: I dont think so
Rayku: Yes
BRanDoRKeR: I said shes walled by Blissey
BRanDoRKeR: nothing more
Rayku: Dude
Rayku: I don't get you at all
Rayku: Here's what you just said:
BRanDoRKeR: I dont get you at all
Rayku: Me: Latias is overpowered
You: No she's not. She's walled by Blissey
Me, later: You said Latias is not overpowered
You: No I didn't, cite me
Me: *cites you*
You: That's not what I said
BRanDoRKeR: okay okay
BRanDoRKeR: your point with LatiOs?
Rayku: Latios is uber, you agree?
BRanDoRKeR: agreed
Rayku: What makes Latios SO MUCH BETTER than Latias, then?
BRanDoRKeR: you already stateed that
Rayku: Your logic behind Latias NOT being overpowered was "She's walled by Blissey"
BRanDoRKeR: yes she is
Rayku: alright
Rayku: then, I state that Latios is not overpowered, for he, too, is walled by Blissey
BRanDoRKeR: yes he is
Rayku: Why
BRanDoRKeR: because he is lol
Rayku: lmao
Rayku: you have -got- to be kidding me
Rayku: that's your logic?
Rayku: "I'm right, you're wrong. Why? Because it's so"
BRanDoRKeR: Latios IS walled by Blissey
Rayku: Yep
Rayku: So is Latias
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: like, I don't think Latios is OU. He's broken as balls
BRanDoRKeR: so is Mewtwo
BRanDoRKeR: and Darkrai
Rayku: Mewtwo is not walled by Blissey
BRanDoRKeR: and every other **** sp atking poke
Rayku: nor is Darkrai
BRanDoRKeR: yes they are
Rayku: Darkrai can put her to sleep
Rayku: and kill her
Rayku: Mewtwo can sub-punch
BRanDoRKeR: what version you talking about foo?
BRanDoRKeR: yippie!
BRanDoRKeR: thats what switching is for
Rayku: erm...
Rayku: what
Rayku: Dude I can say that about anything
BRanDoRKeR: your such a nerd lol
Rayku: You aren't making any sense in the least
BRanDoRKeR: and Im a poke geek? =P
Rayku: Like, this isn't even about Pokemon anymore
Rayku: it's about you proving yourself wrong with your own statements
BRanDoRKeR: Im not proving anything wrong
Rayku: You JUST DID
BRanDoRKeR: my argument is about Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: not these ****ing Lati twins
Rayku: dude
BRanDoRKeR: yes dickbanger?
Rayku: you are going on about that, but you're still answering my questions about Latios/Latias, and you even cited Darkrai and Mewtwo being walled by Blissey
Rayku: how is that talking about Garchomp?
Rayku: Yes, that's the original argument
Rayku: Garchomp is still uber. I personally don't think that, but GOOD LUCK convincing anyone else
BRanDoRKeR: yes it is
BRanDoRKeR: he shouldnt be
Rayku: because I think Scizor is better than Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: sure, we'll go with that
Rayku: dude
BRanDoRKeR: I wouldnt know because Ive never faced that matchup
Rayku: Don't go with my opinion as a statement of fact
Rayku: Scizor loses head to head
Rayku: he gets breathed on and dies
BRanDoRKeR: okay
Rayku: while Scizor takes about 50+% with Bullet Punch
BRanDoRKeR: Garchomp does
Rayku: what?
BRanDoRKeR: you said Scizor takes 50+%
BRanDoRKeR: Garchomp is the one getting hit
Rayku: takes off*
BRanDoRKeR: there yah go
BRanDoRKeR: okay we'll go with that, Garchomp > Scizor, I agree
Rayku: No
Rayku: that's not what I said
Rayku: I said Scizor > Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: whoops!
BRanDoRKeR: thats what I meant XD
Rayku: >.>
BRanDoRKeR: wrong symbol lol
Rayku: However
Rayku: Scizor has hard counters
Rayku: Garchomp still does not
Rayku: unless you count the one pokemon, Latias, that can outspeed/kill him under conditions
Rayku: which, IMO, should not even be in the tier
BRanDoRKeR: so.. you believe Latias should be in Ubers?
Rayku: Yes
BRanDoRKeR: why?
Rayku: That's what my entire schpeel was earlier
Rayku: ...
BRanDoRKeR: what is the difference between her and Gyarados?
BRanDoRKeR: between her and Infernape?
BRanDoRKeR: between her and Metagross?
BRanDoRKeR: answer those
Rayku: wait a second, bro
Rayku: you LITERALLY just asked the same question as earlier
BRanDoRKeR: what question?
Rayku: BRanDoRKeR: why shouldnt Latias be in OU?
Rayku: because she's overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: this is going from dumb.. to dumber.. real quick
Rayku: Dude
BRanDoRKeR: I honestly see NO point whatsoever
BRanDoRKeR: none
Rayku: Because you're asking one question, arguing with ******** points that can be applied to things that obviously contradict your own logic, and then asking the same question again
BRanDoRKeR: every argument that can be made, can easily be made about every other pokemon out there
Rayku: Except
Rayku: Garchomp
Rayku: That's the whole point of him being uber, according to everyone that decided it
BRanDoRKeR: and we disagree
Rayku: What?
BRanDoRKeR: forget it
BRanDoRKeR: this is dumb
Rayku: You don't think he should be uber
Rayku: I really don't care
Rayku: This is dumb because you're making absolutely no sense at all xD
BRanDoRKeR: you dont see it my way
BRanDoRKeR: I dont see it your way
Rayku: No, I do see it your way
BRanDoRKeR: neither are you sir
Rayku: I'm not some close-minded *******
BRanDoRKeR: neither am I
Rayku: Wait
Rayku: you just contradicted yourself again
BRanDoRKeR: sure I did
Rayku: "I don't see it your way"
"I'm not some close-minded *******"
Rayku: You -just- said that
BRanDoRKeR: yay
Rayku: you don't even have to scroll up!
Rayku: ...and then you just admitted to something you denied not ONE statement before
BRanDoRKeR: I think Pikachu should be uber
Rayku: what the ****
Rayku: Why
Rayku: Why should Pikachu be uber
Rayku: state your points
BRanDoRKeR: in a matchup against Gyarados, Pikachu wins
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: That's what switching is for
Rayku: that's -exactly- what you said earlier
BRanDoRKeR: your point?
BRanDoRKeR: dont care!
Rayku: see, I didn't even ask your point
BRanDoRKeR: your not allowed to switch in pokemon
Rayku: ...
BRanDoRKeR: thats why Lati is soooooooooooooooo "overpowered"
Rayku: Latias
Rayku: Latios is overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: because in a one on one, latias is INSANE!
Rayku: and so is Latias
BRanDoRKeR: sure
Rayku: You admit yourself that Latias is insanely powerful
BRanDoRKeR: I was being sarcastic
Rayku: no ****
Rayku: But
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: Blissey counters Latias
Rayku: what else counters her?
BRanDoRKeR: no ****
Rayku: Keep in mind Blissey still takes 41~% from it
BRanDoRKeR: anything with predictions
Rayku: from a meteor*
Rayku: like what/
Rayku: I need examples, thanks
BRanDoRKeR: no she doesnt
Rayku: Yes, she does
BRanDoRKeR: Im doing a damage calc ir
BRanDoRKeR: sir*
Rayku: I'm going off of what I've seen in the past
BRanDoRKeR: Im going off facts
BRanDoRKeR: numbers
Rayku: and Salamence deals 40-44% with a Draco Meteor at 525 attack
BRanDoRKeR: statistics
Rayku: erm...what do you think I'm going off of?
BRanDoRKeR: Ive never seen that in my life
Rayku: I have
BRanDoRKeR: yay
BRanDoRKeR: party time
Rayku: EVERY time
BRanDoRKeR: hold on while i look
Rayku: No, seriously
Rayku: alright
Rayku: tihnk of this scenario
Rayku: Latias used Draco meteor
Blissey takes damage, doesn't matter how much
Rayku: am I allowed to switch now?
BRanDoRKeR: yes?
Rayku: like, am I allowed to switch Latias?
Rayku: okay
Rayku: I switch to Scizor
Rayku: while Blissey does what
Rayku: Thunder Wave?
Rayku: Awesome
BRanDoRKeR: sure?
Rayku: Blissey switches, Scizor uses either Superpower or Swords Dance, depending on the predicted switch
Rayku: if it's Swords Dance, Scizor now has a Swords Dance
Rayku: and that's silly
Rayku: so, you probably switched to a Pokemon that is Scizor's main counter, because it has to be on your team, otherwise Scizor runs through you like toilet paper
Rayku: (that's me making a point that Scizor is uber, and is overcentralizing)
BRanDoRKeR: I got 26% sir
Rayku: lmao
Rayku: you think Blissey takes only 25% from a 525 sp.atk draco meteor?
BRanDoRKeR: hell yes
Rayku: What're you going off of 405 special defense?
BRanDoRKeR: nope
BRanDoRKeR: 307
Rayku: Would you like to test this now?
BRanDoRKeR: how?
Rayku: I'm honestly curious
Rayku: go on shoddy
BRanDoRKeR: Im not downloading shoddy..
Rayku: you don't have shoddy?
BRanDoRKeR: not anymore, I deleted it cause it was making this comp slow
Rayku: it's not a very big program
Rayku: I don't get how it would make your computer slow
BRanDoRKeR: it always freezes on here
BRanDoRKeR: I dont know why
BRanDoRKeR: ALWAYS
Rayku: It freezes for me al ot
Rayku: but not always
BRanDoRKeR: its like every other battle for me
BRanDoRKeR: the stats I got were...
BRanDoRKeR: 173 min damage
BRanDoRKeR: 204 max damage
BRanDoRKeR: 188.9 average
Rayku: I'm going to get this from a friend
Rayku: and I will copy/paste the results
BRanDoRKeR: 189/714 = 26.5%
BRanDoRKeR: dont trust meh?
BRanDoRKeR: haha
Rayku: Nope
Rayku: I'm curious, also
BRanDoRKeR: do it
Rayku: I'm trying, douche bag
BRanDoRKeR: wait..
BRanDoRKeR: for some reason it didnt count in Choice Specs... I dont know why?
BRanDoRKeR: so I just gave it a +1 stat mod since its practically the same thing
Rayku: >______________________>
BRanDoRKeR: and it came out to be...
BRanDoRKeR: 259 min
BRanDoRKeR: 304 max
BRanDoRKeR: 281.96 average
BRanDoRKeR: so tahts about right
Rayku: You don't believe me, I'm testing this myself
BRanDoRKeR: go for it
BRanDoRKeR: I just gave you the numbers sir
BRanDoRKeR: that told you its around 40%
Rayku: Oh wow
Rayku: you actually AGREE with me
BRanDoRKeR: of course
Rayku: that I -might- know what I'm talking about?
BRanDoRKeR: cause I checked the numbers
BRanDoRKeR: well when shoddy actually gives you % of damage, yes Im going to believe you
BRanDoRKeR: I just had to see it for myself
Rayku: ....
Rayku: you didn't believe me when I gave you % of damage
BRanDoRKeR: nope
Rayku: you even said I was a liar
Rayku: what
Rayku: the
Rayku: ****
BRanDoRKeR: cause I never saw a specs Lati yet
Rayku: but...
BRanDoRKeR: and if I have, no one used DM on my Blissey
Rayku: Salamence and Latias have the same special attack
Rayku: you stated that earlier
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: >__________>
BRanDoRKeR: point?
Rayku: My point is that you proved yourself wrong without me even having to tell you
Rayku: like, just add the numbers
BRanDoRKeR: what did I prove wrong sir?
Rayku: I told you that Latias would take about 40% from Blissey with a Meteor
Rayku: and earlier, you said Salamence and Latias = same special attack, which is true (I was unaware)
Rayku: but, you did not believe me
BRanDoRKeR: nope
BRanDoRKeR: everytime I got hit with a Meteor it did next to nothing
Rayku: Because you didn't believe my real life experience
BRanDoRKeR: I didnt realize it was like 40%
Rayku: Because it was probably a mixed Salamence
BRanDoRKeR: I dont see percentages on wifi like you do on shoddy
Rayku: You should talk to me like I -might- know what I'm talking about
Rayku: instead of talking to me like an ignant foo
BRanDoRKeR: and you should talk to me like Im not a child or an idiot?
Rayku: I don't
BRanDoRKeR: I know what Im talking about
BRanDoRKeR: and Latias IMO is NOT overpowered
Rayku: but...your reasoning behind that was the following:
Rayku: "Blissey walls it"
BRanDoRKeR: like every pokemon out there it has its advantages and disadvantages on all other pokes
Rayku: and "Because it just is"
BRanDoRKeR: Latias is no different
Rayku: Well, then I ask you
BRanDoRKeR: because it does
Rayku: why is someone like Mewtwo uber?
BRanDoRKeR: alot faster
BRanDoRKeR: higher sp atk and atk
BRanDoRKeR: its plain as day to see that
Rayku: Blissey walls it
BRanDoRKeR: Ive always walled it
Rayku: like, Mewtwo has hard counters
Rayku: but, he's still uber
Rayku: why is this?
BRanDoRKeR: you tell me allmighty pokemon gawd =P
Rayku: I would but I'm asking you the question
Rayku: because I don't believe you know exactly why things are better than others.
BRanDoRKeR: oh I do
BRanDoRKeR: he only has minimal counters
Rayku: like, if I asked you why Metaknight was the best character in Brawl, what would you say?
BRanDoRKeR: next to nothing
Rayku: minimal? I could probably counter a regular Mewtwo set with Mismagius
BRanDoRKeR: honestly couldnt tell you, dont play brawl
Rayku: well, I'm just using that as an example
BRanDoRKeR: I gotcha
BRanDoRKeR: Mewtwo has a movie! thus hes Uber
Rayku: >.>
BRanDoRKeR: you know its true
Rayku: Lucario has a movie
Rayku: he's uber too
BRanDoRKeR: is Mew Uber?
Rayku: Yes, Mew is uber
BRanDoRKeR: why?
BRanDoRKeR: tell me
BRanDoRKeR: is it the fact that they can learn virtually any move?
BRanDoRKeR: yes?
Rayku: are you going to retort with something smart-alic before I actually answer?
Rayku: Yep
Rayku: Alright
BRanDoRKeR: I said that with knowledge, not as a question
BRanDoRKeR: I know thats the answer
Rayku: Mew has access to virtually any move taught via legitimate means in Pokemon. Why isn't Smeargle uber, then? Because Smeargle's best stat caps too low
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
BRanDoRKeR: agreed
Rayku: Ubers are a unique tier because people treat them more as a "banned list" than an actual tier
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: and they're the only tier that does not go off of usage statistics to determine their placing
BRanDoRKeR: meaning?
Rayku: they go off of raw stats, like it should be created
Rayku: Cresselia is UU because of usage statistics. That's how Smogon makes the tier list
Rayku: it doesn't matter if NO ONE IN THE WORLD would ever use Mew, he's still going to be uber
Rayku: Lati@s was relatively common in ubers, yet one got bumped down. Like I said, it's more of a "banned list" than it is a tier
Rayku: and people who play in ubers are more of a "traditional" style of player (it's a Yugioh/Magic term)
Rayku: Traditional basically means "whatever's out there is fair game"
BRanDoRKeR: okay
BRanDoRKeR: and OU people only use the best?
BRanDoRKeR: thus why Scizor and Latias are on every team?
BRanDoRKeR: correct?
Rayku: Latias isn't on every team; I haven't seen any
Rayku: but, Scizor is
Rayku: and because of Scizor being on every team
BRanDoRKeR: regardless, yes thats why OU is different?
Rayku: you are almost guaranteed to see Zapdos/Heatran/Rotom
Rayku: OU is just a tier of the best Pokemon that aren't banned (uber), yes
Rayku: and UU is just The Forgotten Pokemon of OverUsed
BRanDoRKeR: is there a BL tier anymore?
Rayku: If there is, there are literally less than 10 Pokemon on it
Rayku: I haven't checked it in a long time
Rayku: I stopped caring when Raikou got UU
BRanDoRKeR: awwwe..
BRanDoRKeR: I bet that was a sad day lol
Rayku: Yeah. Same day I found out PorygonZ and Cresselia were UU
BRanDoRKeR: lol
BRanDoRKeR: okay, so based on what you said, WHY is Latios OU and Latias OU?
BRanDoRKeR: Latios Uber*
Rayku: Latias is uber as well
Rayku: IMO
Rayku: but, who cares what I think
BRanDoRKeR: agreed
BRanDoRKeR: why IS Latias OU?
BRanDoRKeR: we dont want your opinion, we want fact
Rayku: Why is Latias OU now?
BRanDoRKeR: yes
BRanDoRKeR: and wasnt before
Rayku: well, at one point, Lati@s was OU
Rayku: Lati@s was uber (and still should be) because their bases stats are above 600
Rayku: that was the "barline" for uber requirement
Rayku: which is why, before D/P came out, Tyranitar was expected to hit uber status
BRanDoRKeR: I see
Rayku: since Tyranitars stats are right at 600, and the sp.def boost from SS would hit him above that
BRanDoRKeR: so based on that information
BRanDoRKeR: why is Slaking not Uber?
Rayku: his ability
Rayku: same with Regigigas
BRanDoRKeR: thats stupid
Rayku: why is that stuipd
BRanDoRKeR: if Ubers is based on requirements
BRanDoRKeR: they should be in?
BRanDoRKeR: they hit 600+
Rayku: Yes, they do
Rayku: but, I guess getting wailed on for one free turn doesn't really matter at all?
BRanDoRKeR: guess not
Rayku: >.>
BRanDoRKeR: you know Im agreeing with you
BRanDoRKeR: Im just trying to prove what you say wrong
BRanDoRKeR: Slaking and Regigigas both hit 600+ so based on that, they should be Uber
Rayku: by...giving points that don't make sense?
BRanDoRKeR: they make sense
Rayku: Based on stats, yes, they should be uber
BRanDoRKeR: by all rights, they should be Uber
Rayku: unfortunately, that's not the ONLY requirement that goes into it
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
BRanDoRKeR: and I understand that
BRanDoRKeR: so whats the next requirement?
Rayku: Look it up
BRanDoRKeR: they need a movepool and NON sucky abilities?
BRanDoRKeR: on?
Rayku: on what the next requirement is
Rayku: that last question you asked before I responded "look it up"
Rayku: what else
TL;DR - Garchomp is still uber
BRanDoRKeR: so out of curiousity, why is Garchomp still Uber?
Rayku: Because people are 100% convinced that Platinum didn't make him any worse
Rayku: and he still *****
BRanDoRKeR: I feel hes worse
BRanDoRKeR: Latias can **** his ****
Rayku: he's not worse
BRanDoRKeR: and so can Scizor
BRanDoRKeR: hes not worse, but the meta is better
Rayku: scarfchomp beats Latias
Rayku: and Scizor cannot **** his ****, sorry
BRanDoRKeR: scarf Latias beats scarfchomp
BRanDoRKeR: now what?
BRanDoRKeR: yes he can
BRanDoRKeR: and you know it!
Rayku: LOL
Rayku: 'cause, you know, Fire Fang/Blast/Flamethrower don't beat Scizor
Rayku: you could toss a match at Scizor and he'd die
Rayku: Scarf Latias beats him, yes. But then, that'd be it
Rayku: and Latias shouldn't be OU anyway
BRanDoRKeR: why shouldnt Latias be in OU?
Rayku: because she's overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: Blissey says no to that idea
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: ANY special attacker is overpowered
Rayku: BLISSEY LOLZ
Rayku: yeah, cool logic
Rayku: so, Darkrai isn't OP
BRanDoRKeR: huh?
Rayku: Mewtwo certainly isn't uber
Rayku: You realize that Blissey walls every special attacker in the game with special attacks save for Kyogre?
BRanDoRKeR: yes
BRanDoRKeR: whats your point?
BRanDoRKeR: how is Latias "overpowered" then when Blissey walls the **** out of it?
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: Latios is overused
Rayku: rather, Latios is uber
Rayku: Blissey walls the **** out of him
BRanDoRKeR: yes
Rayku: but, Latios is still uber
Rayku: that doesn't make any sense?
BRanDoRKeR: true
BRanDoRKeR: why?
Rayku: Because Latios is ****ing too strong
Rayku: 394 x 1.5 + Draco Meteor is -****-
Rayku: Latias's typing, speed and power make her overpowered
Rayku: like
Rayku: Cresselia completely walls Infernape
Rayku: but, Cresselia is UU
Rayku: and Infernape is still OU
BRanDoRKeR: thats the game man
Rayku: Yeah
BRanDoRKeR: your missing that point
Rayku: What ol
BRanDoRKeR: everything has its strengths and weaknesses
Rayku: Yeah
Rayku: Latias has its strengths and weaknesses
Rayku: her strengths greatly overshadow her weaknesses
Rayku: like, seriously
BRanDoRKeR: a **** *** poke in UU could wall an OU poke
Rayku: I want you to go to Smogon and present your logic to them about Latios
BRanDoRKeR: Im not talking about Latios
BRanDoRKeR: never was
BRanDoRKeR: Im talking about Garchomp
Rayku: Well, I am
BRanDoRKeR: you went on the tangent sir
Rayku: because your logic dictates that Latios is not uber
BRanDoRKeR: did I say that?
Rayku: No
Rayku: but
Rayku: once again, l2read
Rayku: your logic dictates that
Rayku: I never said "You said Latios is not uber"
BRanDoRKeR: so where do I need to "learn to read"?
BRanDoRKeR: when I never said anythign like that?
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: you say Latias is overused
Rayku: why do you say that
Rayku: your logic was "Blissey walls it completely"
BRanDoRKeR: I never said that either
BRanDoRKeR: lol
Rayku: right?
Rayku: Yes you did
BRanDoRKeR: I said that Latias counters Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: and thats it
Rayku: dude
Rayku: I'm going to cite you right here and now
BRanDoRKeR: do it
Rayku: excuse me dearly
Rayku: you said Latias is not overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: cite me
BRanDoRKeR: find it
BRanDoRKeR: I dare y9ou
BRanDoRKeR: do it now!
Rayku: BRanDoRKeR: how is Latias "overpowered" then when Blissey walls the **** out of it?
BRanDoRKeR: I was quoting you
BRanDoRKeR: you said shes overpowered
Rayku: What?
Rayku: Yes
Rayku: I said she's overpowered
Rayku: what the **** are you saying LOL
BRanDoRKeR: I dont think so
Rayku: Yes
BRanDoRKeR: I said shes walled by Blissey
BRanDoRKeR: nothing more
Rayku: Dude
Rayku: I don't get you at all
Rayku: Here's what you just said:
BRanDoRKeR: I dont get you at all
Rayku: Me: Latias is overpowered
You: No she's not. She's walled by Blissey
Me, later: You said Latias is not overpowered
You: No I didn't, cite me
Me: *cites you*
You: That's not what I said
BRanDoRKeR: okay okay
BRanDoRKeR: your point with LatiOs?
Rayku: Latios is uber, you agree?
BRanDoRKeR: agreed
Rayku: What makes Latios SO MUCH BETTER than Latias, then?
BRanDoRKeR: you already stateed that
Rayku: Your logic behind Latias NOT being overpowered was "She's walled by Blissey"
BRanDoRKeR: yes she is
Rayku: alright
Rayku: then, I state that Latios is not overpowered, for he, too, is walled by Blissey
BRanDoRKeR: yes he is
Rayku: Why
BRanDoRKeR: because he is lol
Rayku: lmao
Rayku: you have -got- to be kidding me
Rayku: that's your logic?
Rayku: "I'm right, you're wrong. Why? Because it's so"
BRanDoRKeR: Latios IS walled by Blissey
Rayku: Yep
Rayku: So is Latias
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: like, I don't think Latios is OU. He's broken as balls
BRanDoRKeR: so is Mewtwo
BRanDoRKeR: and Darkrai
Rayku: Mewtwo is not walled by Blissey
BRanDoRKeR: and every other **** sp atking poke
Rayku: nor is Darkrai
BRanDoRKeR: yes they are
Rayku: Darkrai can put her to sleep
Rayku: and kill her
Rayku: Mewtwo can sub-punch
BRanDoRKeR: what version you talking about foo?
BRanDoRKeR: yippie!
BRanDoRKeR: thats what switching is for
Rayku: erm...
Rayku: what
Rayku: Dude I can say that about anything
BRanDoRKeR: your such a nerd lol
Rayku: You aren't making any sense in the least
BRanDoRKeR: and Im a poke geek? =P
Rayku: Like, this isn't even about Pokemon anymore
Rayku: it's about you proving yourself wrong with your own statements
BRanDoRKeR: Im not proving anything wrong
Rayku: You JUST DID
BRanDoRKeR: my argument is about Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: not these ****ing Lati twins
Rayku: dude
BRanDoRKeR: yes dickbanger?
Rayku: you are going on about that, but you're still answering my questions about Latios/Latias, and you even cited Darkrai and Mewtwo being walled by Blissey
Rayku: how is that talking about Garchomp?
Rayku: Yes, that's the original argument
Rayku: Garchomp is still uber. I personally don't think that, but GOOD LUCK convincing anyone else
BRanDoRKeR: yes it is
BRanDoRKeR: he shouldnt be
Rayku: because I think Scizor is better than Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: sure, we'll go with that
Rayku: dude
BRanDoRKeR: I wouldnt know because Ive never faced that matchup
Rayku: Don't go with my opinion as a statement of fact
Rayku: Scizor loses head to head
Rayku: he gets breathed on and dies
BRanDoRKeR: okay
Rayku: while Scizor takes about 50+% with Bullet Punch
BRanDoRKeR: Garchomp does
Rayku: what?
BRanDoRKeR: you said Scizor takes 50+%
BRanDoRKeR: Garchomp is the one getting hit
Rayku: takes off*
BRanDoRKeR: there yah go
BRanDoRKeR: okay we'll go with that, Garchomp > Scizor, I agree
Rayku: No
Rayku: that's not what I said
Rayku: I said Scizor > Garchomp
BRanDoRKeR: whoops!
BRanDoRKeR: thats what I meant XD
Rayku: >.>
BRanDoRKeR: wrong symbol lol
Rayku: However
Rayku: Scizor has hard counters
Rayku: Garchomp still does not
Rayku: unless you count the one pokemon, Latias, that can outspeed/kill him under conditions
Rayku: which, IMO, should not even be in the tier
BRanDoRKeR: so.. you believe Latias should be in Ubers?
Rayku: Yes
BRanDoRKeR: why?
Rayku: That's what my entire schpeel was earlier
Rayku: ...
BRanDoRKeR: what is the difference between her and Gyarados?
BRanDoRKeR: between her and Infernape?
BRanDoRKeR: between her and Metagross?
BRanDoRKeR: answer those
Rayku: wait a second, bro
Rayku: you LITERALLY just asked the same question as earlier
BRanDoRKeR: what question?
Rayku: BRanDoRKeR: why shouldnt Latias be in OU?
Rayku: because she's overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: this is going from dumb.. to dumber.. real quick
Rayku: Dude
BRanDoRKeR: I honestly see NO point whatsoever
BRanDoRKeR: none
Rayku: Because you're asking one question, arguing with ******** points that can be applied to things that obviously contradict your own logic, and then asking the same question again
BRanDoRKeR: every argument that can be made, can easily be made about every other pokemon out there
Rayku: Except
Rayku: Garchomp
Rayku: That's the whole point of him being uber, according to everyone that decided it
BRanDoRKeR: and we disagree
Rayku: What?
BRanDoRKeR: forget it
BRanDoRKeR: this is dumb
Rayku: You don't think he should be uber
Rayku: I really don't care
Rayku: This is dumb because you're making absolutely no sense at all xD
BRanDoRKeR: you dont see it my way
BRanDoRKeR: I dont see it your way
Rayku: No, I do see it your way
BRanDoRKeR: neither are you sir
Rayku: I'm not some close-minded *******
BRanDoRKeR: neither am I
Rayku: Wait
Rayku: you just contradicted yourself again
BRanDoRKeR: sure I did
Rayku: "I don't see it your way"
"I'm not some close-minded *******"
Rayku: You -just- said that
BRanDoRKeR: yay
Rayku: you don't even have to scroll up!
Rayku: ...and then you just admitted to something you denied not ONE statement before
BRanDoRKeR: I think Pikachu should be uber
Rayku: what the ****
Rayku: Why
Rayku: Why should Pikachu be uber
Rayku: state your points
BRanDoRKeR: in a matchup against Gyarados, Pikachu wins
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: That's what switching is for
Rayku: that's -exactly- what you said earlier
BRanDoRKeR: your point?
BRanDoRKeR: dont care!
Rayku: see, I didn't even ask your point
BRanDoRKeR: your not allowed to switch in pokemon
Rayku: ...
BRanDoRKeR: thats why Lati is soooooooooooooooo "overpowered"
Rayku: Latias
Rayku: Latios is overpowered
BRanDoRKeR: because in a one on one, latias is INSANE!
Rayku: and so is Latias
BRanDoRKeR: sure
Rayku: You admit yourself that Latias is insanely powerful
BRanDoRKeR: I was being sarcastic
Rayku: no ****
Rayku: But
Rayku: Alright
Rayku: Blissey counters Latias
Rayku: what else counters her?
BRanDoRKeR: no ****
Rayku: Keep in mind Blissey still takes 41~% from it
BRanDoRKeR: anything with predictions
Rayku: from a meteor*
Rayku: like what/
Rayku: I need examples, thanks
BRanDoRKeR: no she doesnt
Rayku: Yes, she does
BRanDoRKeR: Im doing a damage calc ir
BRanDoRKeR: sir*
Rayku: I'm going off of what I've seen in the past
BRanDoRKeR: Im going off facts
BRanDoRKeR: numbers
Rayku: and Salamence deals 40-44% with a Draco Meteor at 525 attack
BRanDoRKeR: statistics
Rayku: erm...what do you think I'm going off of?
BRanDoRKeR: Ive never seen that in my life
Rayku: I have
BRanDoRKeR: yay
BRanDoRKeR: party time
Rayku: EVERY time
BRanDoRKeR: hold on while i look
Rayku: No, seriously
Rayku: alright
Rayku: tihnk of this scenario
Rayku: Latias used Draco meteor
Blissey takes damage, doesn't matter how much
Rayku: am I allowed to switch now?
BRanDoRKeR: yes?
Rayku: like, am I allowed to switch Latias?
Rayku: okay
Rayku: I switch to Scizor
Rayku: while Blissey does what
Rayku: Thunder Wave?
Rayku: Awesome
BRanDoRKeR: sure?
Rayku: Blissey switches, Scizor uses either Superpower or Swords Dance, depending on the predicted switch
Rayku: if it's Swords Dance, Scizor now has a Swords Dance
Rayku: and that's silly
Rayku: so, you probably switched to a Pokemon that is Scizor's main counter, because it has to be on your team, otherwise Scizor runs through you like toilet paper
Rayku: (that's me making a point that Scizor is uber, and is overcentralizing)
BRanDoRKeR: I got 26% sir
Rayku: lmao
Rayku: you think Blissey takes only 25% from a 525 sp.atk draco meteor?
BRanDoRKeR: hell yes
Rayku: What're you going off of 405 special defense?
BRanDoRKeR: nope
BRanDoRKeR: 307
Rayku: Would you like to test this now?
BRanDoRKeR: how?
Rayku: I'm honestly curious
Rayku: go on shoddy
BRanDoRKeR: Im not downloading shoddy..
Rayku: you don't have shoddy?
BRanDoRKeR: not anymore, I deleted it cause it was making this comp slow
Rayku: it's not a very big program
Rayku: I don't get how it would make your computer slow
BRanDoRKeR: it always freezes on here
BRanDoRKeR: I dont know why
BRanDoRKeR: ALWAYS
Rayku: It freezes for me al ot
Rayku: but not always
BRanDoRKeR: its like every other battle for me
BRanDoRKeR: the stats I got were...
BRanDoRKeR: 173 min damage
BRanDoRKeR: 204 max damage
BRanDoRKeR: 188.9 average
Rayku: I'm going to get this from a friend
Rayku: and I will copy/paste the results
BRanDoRKeR: 189/714 = 26.5%
BRanDoRKeR: dont trust meh?
BRanDoRKeR: haha
Rayku: Nope
Rayku: I'm curious, also
BRanDoRKeR: do it
Rayku: I'm trying, douche bag
BRanDoRKeR: wait..
BRanDoRKeR: for some reason it didnt count in Choice Specs... I dont know why?
BRanDoRKeR: so I just gave it a +1 stat mod since its practically the same thing
Rayku: >______________________>
BRanDoRKeR: and it came out to be...
BRanDoRKeR: 259 min
BRanDoRKeR: 304 max
BRanDoRKeR: 281.96 average
BRanDoRKeR: so tahts about right
Rayku: You don't believe me, I'm testing this myself
BRanDoRKeR: go for it
BRanDoRKeR: I just gave you the numbers sir
BRanDoRKeR: that told you its around 40%
Rayku: Oh wow
Rayku: you actually AGREE with me
BRanDoRKeR: of course
Rayku: that I -might- know what I'm talking about?
BRanDoRKeR: cause I checked the numbers
BRanDoRKeR: well when shoddy actually gives you % of damage, yes Im going to believe you
BRanDoRKeR: I just had to see it for myself
Rayku: ....
Rayku: you didn't believe me when I gave you % of damage
BRanDoRKeR: nope
Rayku: you even said I was a liar
Rayku: what
Rayku: the
Rayku: ****
BRanDoRKeR: cause I never saw a specs Lati yet
Rayku: but...
BRanDoRKeR: and if I have, no one used DM on my Blissey
Rayku: Salamence and Latias have the same special attack
Rayku: you stated that earlier
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: >__________>
BRanDoRKeR: point?
Rayku: My point is that you proved yourself wrong without me even having to tell you
Rayku: like, just add the numbers
BRanDoRKeR: what did I prove wrong sir?
Rayku: I told you that Latias would take about 40% from Blissey with a Meteor
Rayku: and earlier, you said Salamence and Latias = same special attack, which is true (I was unaware)
Rayku: but, you did not believe me
BRanDoRKeR: nope
BRanDoRKeR: everytime I got hit with a Meteor it did next to nothing
Rayku: Because you didn't believe my real life experience
BRanDoRKeR: I didnt realize it was like 40%
Rayku: Because it was probably a mixed Salamence
BRanDoRKeR: I dont see percentages on wifi like you do on shoddy
Rayku: You should talk to me like I -might- know what I'm talking about
Rayku: instead of talking to me like an ignant foo
BRanDoRKeR: and you should talk to me like Im not a child or an idiot?
Rayku: I don't
BRanDoRKeR: I know what Im talking about
BRanDoRKeR: and Latias IMO is NOT overpowered
Rayku: but...your reasoning behind that was the following:
Rayku: "Blissey walls it"
BRanDoRKeR: like every pokemon out there it has its advantages and disadvantages on all other pokes
Rayku: and "Because it just is"
BRanDoRKeR: Latias is no different
Rayku: Well, then I ask you
BRanDoRKeR: because it does
Rayku: why is someone like Mewtwo uber?
BRanDoRKeR: alot faster
BRanDoRKeR: higher sp atk and atk
BRanDoRKeR: its plain as day to see that
Rayku: Blissey walls it
BRanDoRKeR: Ive always walled it
Rayku: like, Mewtwo has hard counters
Rayku: but, he's still uber
Rayku: why is this?
BRanDoRKeR: you tell me allmighty pokemon gawd =P
Rayku: I would but I'm asking you the question
Rayku: because I don't believe you know exactly why things are better than others.
BRanDoRKeR: oh I do
BRanDoRKeR: he only has minimal counters
Rayku: like, if I asked you why Metaknight was the best character in Brawl, what would you say?
BRanDoRKeR: next to nothing
Rayku: minimal? I could probably counter a regular Mewtwo set with Mismagius
BRanDoRKeR: honestly couldnt tell you, dont play brawl
Rayku: well, I'm just using that as an example
BRanDoRKeR: I gotcha
BRanDoRKeR: Mewtwo has a movie! thus hes Uber
Rayku: >.>
BRanDoRKeR: you know its true
Rayku: Lucario has a movie
Rayku: he's uber too
BRanDoRKeR: is Mew Uber?
Rayku: Yes, Mew is uber
BRanDoRKeR: why?
BRanDoRKeR: tell me
BRanDoRKeR: is it the fact that they can learn virtually any move?
BRanDoRKeR: yes?
Rayku: are you going to retort with something smart-alic before I actually answer?
Rayku: Yep
Rayku: Alright
BRanDoRKeR: I said that with knowledge, not as a question
BRanDoRKeR: I know thats the answer
Rayku: Mew has access to virtually any move taught via legitimate means in Pokemon. Why isn't Smeargle uber, then? Because Smeargle's best stat caps too low
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
BRanDoRKeR: agreed
Rayku: Ubers are a unique tier because people treat them more as a "banned list" than an actual tier
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
Rayku: and they're the only tier that does not go off of usage statistics to determine their placing
BRanDoRKeR: meaning?
Rayku: they go off of raw stats, like it should be created
Rayku: Cresselia is UU because of usage statistics. That's how Smogon makes the tier list
Rayku: it doesn't matter if NO ONE IN THE WORLD would ever use Mew, he's still going to be uber
Rayku: Lati@s was relatively common in ubers, yet one got bumped down. Like I said, it's more of a "banned list" than it is a tier
Rayku: and people who play in ubers are more of a "traditional" style of player (it's a Yugioh/Magic term)
Rayku: Traditional basically means "whatever's out there is fair game"
BRanDoRKeR: okay
BRanDoRKeR: and OU people only use the best?
BRanDoRKeR: thus why Scizor and Latias are on every team?
BRanDoRKeR: correct?
Rayku: Latias isn't on every team; I haven't seen any
Rayku: but, Scizor is
Rayku: and because of Scizor being on every team
BRanDoRKeR: regardless, yes thats why OU is different?
Rayku: you are almost guaranteed to see Zapdos/Heatran/Rotom
Rayku: OU is just a tier of the best Pokemon that aren't banned (uber), yes
Rayku: and UU is just The Forgotten Pokemon of OverUsed
BRanDoRKeR: is there a BL tier anymore?
Rayku: If there is, there are literally less than 10 Pokemon on it
Rayku: I haven't checked it in a long time
Rayku: I stopped caring when Raikou got UU
BRanDoRKeR: awwwe..
BRanDoRKeR: I bet that was a sad day lol
Rayku: Yeah. Same day I found out PorygonZ and Cresselia were UU
BRanDoRKeR: lol
BRanDoRKeR: okay, so based on what you said, WHY is Latios OU and Latias OU?
BRanDoRKeR: Latios Uber*
Rayku: Latias is uber as well
Rayku: IMO
Rayku: but, who cares what I think
BRanDoRKeR: agreed
BRanDoRKeR: why IS Latias OU?
BRanDoRKeR: we dont want your opinion, we want fact
Rayku: Why is Latias OU now?
BRanDoRKeR: yes
BRanDoRKeR: and wasnt before
Rayku: well, at one point, Lati@s was OU
Rayku: Lati@s was uber (and still should be) because their bases stats are above 600
Rayku: that was the "barline" for uber requirement
Rayku: which is why, before D/P came out, Tyranitar was expected to hit uber status
BRanDoRKeR: I see
Rayku: since Tyranitars stats are right at 600, and the sp.def boost from SS would hit him above that
BRanDoRKeR: so based on that information
BRanDoRKeR: why is Slaking not Uber?
Rayku: his ability
Rayku: same with Regigigas
BRanDoRKeR: thats stupid
Rayku: why is that stuipd
BRanDoRKeR: if Ubers is based on requirements
BRanDoRKeR: they should be in?
BRanDoRKeR: they hit 600+
Rayku: Yes, they do
Rayku: but, I guess getting wailed on for one free turn doesn't really matter at all?
BRanDoRKeR: guess not
Rayku: >.>
BRanDoRKeR: you know Im agreeing with you
BRanDoRKeR: Im just trying to prove what you say wrong
BRanDoRKeR: Slaking and Regigigas both hit 600+ so based on that, they should be Uber
Rayku: by...giving points that don't make sense?
BRanDoRKeR: they make sense
Rayku: Based on stats, yes, they should be uber
BRanDoRKeR: by all rights, they should be Uber
Rayku: unfortunately, that's not the ONLY requirement that goes into it
BRanDoRKeR: yepp
BRanDoRKeR: and I understand that
BRanDoRKeR: so whats the next requirement?
Rayku: Look it up
BRanDoRKeR: they need a movepool and NON sucky abilities?
BRanDoRKeR: on?
Rayku: on what the next requirement is
Rayku: that last question you asked before I responded "look it up"
Rayku: what else
TL;DR - Garchomp is still uber
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