How would you give better representation to a franchise?

[Acadian Flycatcher]

Yoshi, F-Zero, Donkey Kong, Earthbound, Ice Climbers, etc.

What items, assist trophies, stages, characters, Smash Run enemies, bosses, music, etc. would you choose to better represent these franchises?


Yoshi

New Character: Baby Bros.

Ice Climber like duo of Baby Mario and Baby Luigi. Lot of their moveset inspiration comes directly from Yoshi's Island. They are stronger as a duo, but when one is killed off they can still perform all their attacks, they are just weaker. Their intro animation is the stork flying overhead and dropping them in their blankets.

Neutral Special

• Screech: Babies scream at the top of their lungs to send a projectile soundwave forwards. This slightly stuns enemies. Lower range, higher damage.
• Bullet Seeds: They used the Bullet Seeds from Yoshi's Island to shoot a quick batch of watermelon seeds forwards. More range, less damage.
• Huffin Puffin Throw: throw one of those crazy birds that would follow Yoshi around like eggs. Medium range, medium damage.

When both Babies are alive for the move, they shoot on either side of them.

Up Special

• Stork Carry: They hold onto the storks feet as they fly up. Good horizontal and vertical recovery.
• Cape Spin: Jump on each others heads and do a cape spin. Not much vertical, but afterwards they can float back down with Super Baby Mario's cape.
• Bouncy Ball: much like Mega Man and Sonics, they spawn that bouncy ball from Yoshi's Island with the arrow on it. Ball remains on the ground for a bit.

Down Special

• Bubble Shield: They spawn the bubble that Baby Mario gets when he is hit off Yoshi. Provides protection from projectiles and opponents attacks. They get stuck in the bubble, and when you deactivate it, it shoots out whatever was stuck in it.
• Sun Flower Shield: They spawn the special sun flower collectible from Yoshi's Island. Projectiles are reflected in different directions from it. When deactivated it shoots out the peddles in every direction.
• Blanket Shield: The Babies curl up in their blankets that just straight up reflect projectiles back.

Side Special

• Poochy Attack: Quickly summons Poochy to lunge forwards. The Babies hold onto his tail as he drags them forwards. Each fighter/object caught in his path will be chewed on and carried with them until the move stops.
• Yoshi Copter Attack: Summons the Yoshi Copter to fly forwards while the Babies are in tow. This attack is weaker than Poochy, but it can be angled diagonally. Fighters get caught in the propeller like Pit's side b in Brawl.
• Chain Chomp Attack: This one comes directly from Mario Kart: Double Dash. They summon a chain chomp that lunges forwards. Much quicker than Poochy and Yoshi Copter, but doesn't go nearly as far. Does the most damage and upon impact the fighter immediately gets launched forwards.

Final Smash: Super Baby Mario/Luigi

Assist Tophies

• Bandit: he runs around on the stage after fighters. If he catches one he carries them right off the edge. You can wiggle out of it.
• Fuzzy: Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy. A bunch spawn all over the map. They work exactly like they did in Yoshi's Island. Touch one, and the stage has the craziest acid trip you've ever seen.
• Sun Flower Sprout: a small seed appears and falls into the ground. Suddenly the grew sun flower starts growing upwards. The leaves offer platforms to stand on. No other assist trophy (besides that flipper thing in brawl) offers new platforms to use.

Items

• Flying Question Mark Cloud: the winged question mark cloud acts like a party ball. It spawns up high in the air and flies around. When hit, it opens up items rain down to the ground.
• Egg Block: this will be one of the most unique and technical items. An egg block spawner appears hovering in the air. Fighters can either jump up from under it, or just hit it to make eggs pop out. You can get three. Once you walk into the eggs, they follow you around like Pikmin. They act as a throwable item, which means even though they are taking along with you, you cannot use standard attacks or throws without getting rid of them. They have serious aim, and can bounce off surfaces. Can be angled in any direction.
• Heart Tree: the heart tree from Yoshi's Story that has all the fruit on it. It sprouts from the ground and drops fruit from time to time. It can be attacked to drop more frequently. Each fruit has a different power up for the player. The options are to increase health, speed, attack and defence.

 

[Substitution]

I think Sakurai's doing a fine job as it is, I don't see anything I would change up really.

 

[alex6309]

For F-Zero, simply give Ganon's old moveset to Black Shadow, Blood Falcon, or anyone else who could use the moveset.

Yoshi is fine as is since there isn't too much to take in from the series. All it needs are a map or two, Yoshi, some smash run/adventure mode enemies, and some trophies.

DK deserves a 3rd rep, the return of the barrel cannon from Melee and possibly some more ATs.

EarthBound is fine as is. All it needs are good maps and maybe another AT.

Ice Climbers? What could be added?

 

[Nielicus]

I think I can't judge now based on what we've seen, but so far so good. I'll say DK deserves another rep even though I don't want then to have one

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

Damn.. no one has any options?

F-Zero with one character and an assist trophy?
Earthbound with 2 items and potentially 2 characters?
Yoshi with 1 characters and (kind of) 1 Smash Run enemy?
Donkey Kong with 2 characters, 3 Smash Run enemies and about 3 items?

Nothing?

 

[Wyoming]

I'll never understand why some people think we need another Yoshi character.

F-Zero gets a new character and more trophies. Already better than Brawl's representation of the series which was pretty decent to begin with.
Donkey Kong should get at least a third character and an assist trophy.

 

[MotivatedDeer]

I think mother 3 deserves some representation (even though Nintendo hates its guts). For example, an alternate costume for lucas could be claus. Also, maybe Sakurai could've made that shadowy purple place where claus and lucas fought a stage or something.

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

I'll never understand why some people think we need another Yoshi character.

F-Zero gets a new character and more trophies. Already better than Brawl's representation of the series which was pretty decent to begin with.
Donkey Kong should get at least a third character and an assist trophy.

That would make Yoshi the only original 12 (10 excluding Jiggs and Luigi) member with only one playable character.
The argument that he's "just Mario" isn't valid.
Why give him his own emblem if he's just Mario?
Just because Yoshi broke off from the Mario franchise and started dealing with his own **** doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented.
There is so much to offer from the Yoshi's Island series, Yoshi's Story, and the other spin offs they could pull from.

 

[Dinoman96]

I think DK and Pikmin could use more ATs and Smash Run enemies than what we've seen so far. It's not totally necessary, but I like the idea of Soda Popinski's pop bottle being a PO!! item (You'd drink it and your speed/attack power increases).

And speaking of which, Glass Joe as PO!!'s Assist Trophy. He'd function like Little Mac, except weaker and any smash attack from the playable characters will sent him flying away.

 

[alex6309]

That would make Yoshi the only original 12 (10 excluding Jiggs and Luigi) member with only one playable character.
The argument that he's "just Mario" isn't valid.
Why give him his own emblem if he's just Mario?
Just because Yoshi broke off from the Mario franchise and started dealing with his own **** doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented.
There is so much to offer from the Yoshi's Island series, Yoshi's Story, and the other spin offs they could pull from.

Besides adding babies to the roster(which already have a negative stigma because of their inclusion in the mario kart games and them being different incarnations of characters already ingame) who else from Yoshi deserves to be in? There are no protagonists in the Yoshi games aside from the Babies who are never playable in games besides Mario Kart.

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

Besides adding babies to the roster(which already have a negative stigma because of their inclusion in the mario kart games and them being different incarnations of characters already ingame) who else from Yoshi deserves to be in? There are no protagonists in the Yoshi games aside from the Babies who are never playable in games besides Mario Kart.

It's tough to think of other options because none have been playable in Yoshi canon.
The Baby Bros. are the only option I could think of because they originated from Yoshi's Island. The babies are a huge part of the Yoshi franchise. Baby Mario is always paired with Yoshi, and they always seem to be saving Baby Luigi. I know these two were more important in Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, but the babies belong in the Yoshi universe.

Out of the 5 main Yoshi series the babies are in 3 of them. And I don't include the original Yoshi, Yoshi's Cookie, Topsy Turvy, Touch n Go.
The 3 Yoshi's Island games have the babies and Woolly World and Story do not.

Other than that...

Bandit doesn't have character potential.
Poochy doesn't have any options.
Kamek isn't specifically Yoshi, and seems to have a bigger role in the New Super Mario Bros. series.
Baby Bowser could be a Squirtle like Bowser, but Bowser Jr. would offer a lot more than the baby.

 

[ChikoLad]

I want to see a Sonic level that isn't Green Hill, but also doesn't look like it, on the 3DS version. I'm fine with Windy Hill on Wii U since the stage looks fun and I love the Windy Hill music, but come on, Sonic has many diverse environments, not just green hill levels. I think Sky Sanctuary Zone or Lava Reef Zone would be a good pick, but if they actually want to reference a handheld Sonic game, give me Dead Line from Sonic Rush, 'cuz this is WHAT YA NEED, WHAT YA NEED. :D

Also, Mega Man should have had a unique stage for the 3DS version.

 

[mario123007]

I want to see a Sonic level that isn't Green Hill, but also doesn't look like it, on the 3DS version. I'm fine with Windy Hill on Wii U since the stage looks fun and I love the Windy Hill music, but come on, Sonic has many diverse environments, not just green hill levels. I think Sky Sanctuary Zone or Lava Reef Zone would be a good pick, but if they actually want to reference a handheld Sonic game, give me Dead Line from Sonic Rush, 'cuz this is WHAT YA NEED, WHAT YA NEED. :D

Also, Mega Man should have had a unique stage for the 3DS version.

I am pretty fine that thry recycle Green Hill Zone(Although this is not my favorite) However, we all wanted to see something new. Even though they are all just third parties.

 

[GunGunW]

F-Zero:
- At least one new stage for each version, though preferably two
- A new character (Pico, Goroh, Shadow, etc. whatever)

Star Fox:
- Falco and Wolf return
- A new stage on both versions
- apparoids in smash run

Donkey Kong:
- King K. Rool and Dixie Kong as newcomers
- Two new stages per version
- Rambi and Enguarde assist trophies

Metroid:
- Two new stages per version
- more metroid items
- another meroid assist trophy

 

[Violenceman]

I have a few ideas myself...

Yoshi
Newcomer: Shy Guy
Assist Trophies: Ukiki, Kamek
Items: Chomp Rock, Yoshi's Cookies
Smash Run: Goonie, Fuzzy, Crazee Dayzee, Nipper Plant

Donkey Kong
Newcomer: Stanley
Assist Trophies: King K. Rool
Items: Animal Crates, Steel Keg
Smash Run: Gnawty, KlapTrap, Zinger

Wario
Newcomer: Mona
Assist Trophies: Young Cricket, Pyoro
Items: Form Baton
Smash Run: Tiny Wario, Fronks, Magon, Red Bandinero

Ice Climbers
Newcomer: ----
Assist Trophies: Condor
Items: Icicle
Smash Run: Topi, Nitpicker

And for a series that has not been repped yet, but really should be...

Golden Sun
Newcomer: Isaac
Assist Trophies: Jenna, Sheba, Mia
Items: Hermes' Water, Orb of Force, Bramble Seed, Wicked Mace
Smash Run: Tempest Lizard, Rat Soldier, Living Armor, Wyvern, Various Djinni

 

[Ignoth]

EarthBound is fine as is. All it needs are good maps and maybe another AT.

Throw a few Earthbound enemies in Smash Run and I'll be content.

Provided both Ness and Lucas return of course.

 

[Fastblade5035]

If I was in charge I wouldn't even give a **** about 'representation'... you'd just have to enjoy my biased Pokemon choices, FE choices, minimal DK content, and you'd even be lucky if F-Zero got half as many songs as it had in Brawl.

The sad part is that I'm being honest here.

 

[Lautsuu~]

Fire Emblem:

Newcomers - Robin and Lucina
Assist Trophies - Lyn, Frederick
Items - Healing Staff, Warp Staff
Smash Run Enemies - Risen
DLC - Roy

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Why do half of these feel desperate for representation? The ideas feel cheap and downright... lame compared to what's already there, in regards to newcomers. Smash Run enemies and better music selection go a far longer way than whipping up a newcomer out of a generic enemy.

 

[GunGunW]

Why do half of these feel desperate for representation? The ideas feel cheap and downright... lame compared to what's already there, in regards to newcomers. Smash Run enemies and better music selection go a far longer way than whipping up a newcomer out of a generic enemy.

I didn't ask for anything unreasonable; I know there's nothing in F-Zero that would work as a decent item so I didn't include anything like that.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Mario - Cut rosalina, put Toad, possibly put Jr there too
DK - Add Dixie and K.rool. change Dk's up special to a barrel cannon so dixie can get her normal move.
Zelda - Make Shiek and Zelda bound by down special again, put Pig Ganon; slightly declone Ganondorf
Metroid - Modify the Samuses's final smashes so you can choose to switch between the two. Ridley
Star Fox - New FSs for wolf and Falco
Pokemon - Mewtwo. Put the Pokemion Trainer as an unlockable feature, able to be together with any of the playable pokes
FE- Cut Lucina (or shove her as an alt with new taunts), Make Robin pair-up with Chrom, who is now fully playable, in battle
Wario - Give the guy Wario Land stuff. Stages too.
mother - Slighlty sem-declone Lucas

there

 

[dezeray112]

I think Sakurai's doing a fine job as it is, I don't see anything I would change up really.

I agree with this.

 

[Yakko93]

I would swap Pac-Land and Pac-Maze between the 3ds and Wii U versions for the Pac-Man series, and add in new characters for the DK and Star Fox series.

 

[NoiseHERO]

Change Yoshi logo to Mario logo...

Earthbound has lot of cool/unique characters items that could be used

I only really care about Captain Falcon from F-Zero. But maybe more assist trophies could work.

If Wolf and Falco come back, Starfox is fine imo. Keep Krystal as far away from my television/3DS as possible.

I... couldn't care that ice climbers exist.

 

[Kevandre]

While I would like to see Kamek as a second Yoshi rep, I dunno. I'd rather have other characters first.

While I absolutely love Awakening and Robin is the newcomer I'm most excited for, FE having four characters feels wrong somehow. Now, I am definitely NOT the type of human to say anything about over representation because that is absolute BS. But. Comparatively, I feel like franchises such as Metroid and Donkey Kong are MORE deserving of four reps and possibly should have been prioritized.

With Metroid that's pretty hard. The only other character that would feel right is a scaled down Ridley. Maybe another one of the bosses but I dunno. Crocomire or Kraid could work if smaller but definitely not before the Riddler

Donkey Kong though has no excuse. To be honest, Diddy should have been in Melee. Then Dixie and/or K Rool in Brawl. DK is a series that definitely deserves four reps even if it was dormant for a while.

Pokémon. People say it's overrepresented already. They can die. I really wish that there were pokemon characters representing all six generations. This was my original plan:

Gen 1
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer (same as Brawl)
Mewtwo (with mega evolution to rep gen 6)

Gen 4
Lucario

Newcomer
May. Works like Pokemon Trainer, but has Snivy, Quilava and Swampert, representing gens 5, 2 & 3 respectively. That's just an idea though. Cyndaquil, Dewott and Sceptile would also be good. People would be pissed if it weren't Blaziken though.. Sigh.

But that's my ideal representation for Pokémon.

 

[Smash_Veteran_Amtoj]

Representation DOESN'T just come in the form of fighters you know.

 

[GunGunW]

Yoshi is the one series I would probably argue against getting more "representation" for.

 

[Raijinken]

Earthbound: Jeff Andonuts, playable. Versatile moveset based on his abilities in-game, no PSI. This makes him unique compared to his other series reps, while still being a memorable character. Duster from Mother 3 would also be fine, I just like Jeff more.

F-Zero: Take Ganondorf's Brawl form. Turn it into Black Shadow. F-Zero now has twice the representation, and Ganondorf is free to get a moveset based on the Zelda series instead of inexplicably being a Captain Falcon clone. Blood Falcon, Zoda, and Rick Wheeler/Ryu Suzaku are also viable character options, not to mention Goroh.

Pikmin: No clue, never really got into Pikmin.

Ice Climber: Add assist trophies and/or make the Condor a throwable item of some sort. Alternately, though it be met with backlash, split the ICs into two characters and give them slightly unique movesets.

Metroid: Add Ridley, Kraid, or any of the one-game Hunters. All of them have enough options to make a character. Can also use Dark Samus, though that's less interesting to me, if more plot-significant than all but Ridley.

Donkey Kong: Add K Rool playable.

Yoshi: Add Shy Guy. Incorporate elements from the Paper Mario variants if needed to round out a moveset.

Kirby: Add Gooey, give him use of the animal helpers from Dream Land 2/3, and ignore his ability to consume enemies in favor of using moves from Kirby's games.

3rd parties: One character, one stage, one AT, and maybe one other item each. They don't need more, seeing as some first/second parties don't even have that much.

 

[Naglfarii]

That would make Yoshi the only original 12 (10 excluding Jiggs and Luigi) member with only one playable character.
The argument that he's "just Mario" isn't valid.
Why give him his own emblem if he's just Mario?
Just because Yoshi broke off from the Mario franchise and started dealing with his own **** doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented.
There is so much to offer from the Yoshi's Island series, Yoshi's Story, and the other spin offs they could pull from.

It is valid. Even in the Yoshi games he carries Mario around with him and fights Mario enemies. He's straight up a mario character, who cares if he has an egg symbol


Dk is the only one of those that I think deserves more reps. An fzero is always cool though

 

[Superyoshiom]

DK:

Make K. Rool and Dixe both playable

 

[Nintendrone]

Yoshi:

• Make Shy Guy playable. He is synonymous with the Yoshi series and is known for having a treasure trove of silly forms.
• Add a Chomp Rock or Melon item. The Chomp Rock would temporarily get in the way, and the Melon is picked up like food, but lets the eater spit some seeds.
• Poochy AT. He runs around sniffing and barking, and players may stand on him.

DK:

• Make K. Rool playable, and maybe Dixie too. They have no excuse if DK is stuck at two again.
• Bring back the Barrel Cannon.
• Cranky and Rambi ATs. Cranky would be like Resetti, and whacking people with his cane if close. You can guess what Rambi would do.
• More Smash Run enemies. I don't care who.

F-Zero:

• I don't think it needs more characters, but make Captain Ganon into Black Shadow if it must have characters.
• Make an AT outta someone. I don't care who.
• Maybe make the Biorex or whatever it was called a Smash Run enemy?

Earthbound:

• Two characters is pushing it for a niche, finished series. Regardless, Jeff or Duster would be the best candidates.
• New Year's Eve bomb for an item. Makes ridiculously strong explosion or… nothing.
• Make Flint an AT. He swings his beam around and stuff.
• Starmen for Smash Run.

Metroid:

• RIDLEY.
• One of the hunters as an AT.
• Zebesians for Smash Run.

Kirby:

• Doesn't need new characters right now. The best option, imo, is Daroach from Squeak Squad and Mass Attack. A little obscure, but not as much as Gooey.
• That auto cannon thing from Triple Deluxe could be an item.
• Adeline for AT. She paints items, then they appear.
• Make Knuckle Joe appear in Smash Run too, like Metroid.

Ice Climber:

• Polar Bear AT. Works like a POW Block when he ground pounds.
• Topis in Smash Run, most likely in their yeti form.

…wow that was a long post.

 

[LancerStaff]

I'd say representation is great the way it is, taking into account the obligatory Yoshi/DK/F-Zero stages and the various characters obviously returning that haven't been revealed.

My only complaint is that Shiek is rather poor representation of LoZ, being in all of two games outside of SSB, and one is a spin-off. Impa taking her moves or simply being cut for *insert character who's been in more then two games here* would of been better.