How to beat a Kirby?

[yoshi_fan]

I need help. I play online Smash, and less people use kirby, but when i encounter a kirby, i see i'm going to be really pwned. If he can grab you and then trhow you, and then you have bad luck and gets hit with the up+b you a re doomed, the dair, all of kirby is lame, its very fast, their smashes, theis neutral air (is SO long), and the facilityes for combo using smashes and smashes, or the drill, grab you, etc

I play Picachu, and it's almost imposible to win with picachu a kirby (1º my clan boss was the unique kirby i can beat, because almost all of the clan play kirby Smash chain, and the are pretty bad, they dont do anything more (short jumping, Z-cancel...). And my boss knows how to Z- cancel and short jumping, so its kinda hard. But i encountered a very good oponent with all characters. I could barely kill him 3 o 4 stock, but i cant win, except a few times. Then he pick kirby, and i was totally pwned: i cant edgeguard him, i can do a short jumping attack, i can grab him (i get pwned by the smash, is ridicously quick) and more..., and then i say him that Kirby is so lame, he is overpowered, and they say "so pick a kirby you", and i become ALSO pwned, because i'm bad with kirby (anytimes, playing kirby is goingt to smash all the time, and thi is bored -.-, there isnt any tech, mindgame and NOTHING, only camping, or combo and then use up b to get the other fall to doom...)

I play picachu and mario (and the other, but I bad with them). Can you gave me some tips to beat this pink ball?

 

[BleachMan!]

YOU CAN'T it's Impossible...HAHAHAHA...jk. I really dont know, just try harder. but if you see me online...lol, ur screw <-----------Kirby User

 

[Zantetsu]

I Have The Same Problem T_T

 

[Thino]

hi yoshi_fan[CC] , its me , Thino , smash-happy kirbies need fireballs from Mario, but with Pika fsmashes can give to approach shorthopping... attack from above with down airs and forward airs into grabs

 

[Lawrencelot]

Actually, the UpB of Kirby doesnt always kill you. I had that problem in the beginning, but this is useful against the upB: if kirby sends you away and tries to kill you with upB, don't come back to the stage right away. Just stay in the air away from kirby's sword (if you use kirby yourself, just keep jumping, and with mario use the downB), and only come back to the stage after kirby did his upB.

The downA aerial of kirby is a much bigger problem. I just try not to get below kirby.

Kirby's smashes can be shieldgrabbed, or you can attack him from the air.

 

[M3tr01D]

Up B with kirby is a kill if you get hit with the spike portion of it over the edge. There's no way to avoid it. (besides maybe silly freeze frame DI)

 

[whaahppnd]

use jiggly
play dreamland

kirby is not good because of his grab and up b... wat r u talkin about? (to the OP)

to metroid - the OP is using pikachu... best recovery in the game... it should be quite easy not to get spiked by up-B ... cmon u know this

pikachu also should be quite as effective as you can get ... jus get as good as malva=P

 

[yoshi_fan]

Playing against a kirby with my third character (samus) I gete beaten 4/5 stock, and the kirby has amost no one hit. Then, i Start to spam the Db bombs, when he tryes to spam with the smash. I can use and almost do 50 damage, and get the beam charge to doom him when he fails a smash (with the bombs)

But i cant try so muc because then when i picked again samus, he picked another character, and when i change, he pick kirby >.<

 

[Thino]

non-Z-canelling Samus vs smash-spamming kirby = bad matchup for you...
you should really try to learn those advanced techniques , they would help you to beat the crap ou of him , whoever he picks , including kirby...

 

[yoshi_fan]

I'm getting better with th Z cancel, but is dificult to know exactly when you has o press him.

But its automatic when i press, but still i'm learning u^^

But the kirby EATS the bobms very well, and the shortestjump has samus is that, and is suficient to avoid kirby's

 

[Thino]

u can start by tapping Z first , during you aerials with practice you'll know the very moment to press Z.
Samus is floaty , so she jumps somewhat higher even shorthopping

 

[Jazriel]

1) Kirby isn't overpowered, if anything he's weaker in more areas than other chars. Either that or I need more practice

2) Pika can combo kirby very well. Use b-air's and d-air's. Also, pika's d-air has a horizontal spike to if you can d-air kirby when he's recovering it SEVERELY hampers kirby as kirby's vertical recovery SUCKS unless he has 5 jumps.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

1) Kirby isn't overpowered, if anything he's weaker in more areas than other chars. Either that or I need more practice

2) Pika can combo kirby very well. Use b-air's and d-air's. Also, pika's d-air has a horizontal spike to if you can d-air kirby when he's recovering it SEVERELY hampers kirby as kirby's vertical recovery SUCKS unless he has 5 jumps.

what the ****, spike?!?! nooo waii

 

[Thino]

spike? pika's dair??

 

[M3tr01D]

use jiggly
play dreamland

kirby is not good because of his grab and up b... wat r u talkin about? (to the OP)

to metroid - the OP is using pikachu... best recovery in the game... it should be quite easy not to get spiked by up-B ... cmon u know this

pikachu also should be quite as effective as you can get ... jus get as good as malva=P

I was just saying that if you actually get hit by it, it's an unblockable/unrecoverable spike. Getting hit by it is pure dumbness though

 

[Jazriel]

Yes. Idk about other chars but I can't tell you how many times I'm fighting a pika near the edge and he d-air's me and I go flying sideways. Then when I try to recover he b-air's it and kills me. I would say pika is one of the worst to fight but ness and mario's cheapness far outshines pika.

 

[Thino]

Its not called a spike , a spike sends you downwards , there's no horizontal spike

 

[yoshi_fan]

Since I start almost own also with picachu (before 1-5, now 4-5), he dont use kirby and now use ness. -.-U

And onlygrab and throw to dair me... kinda sucks -.-U, but all of the tips you have given me were too useful. Thanks ^^

 

[Jazriel]

It may not be a horizontal spike but you get the idea. For ness's d-air chain, try to tech it. Usually you can tech out of it or he'll make a mistake.

Either way, it's one more reason why ness and luigi are WAY more cheap than kirby.

 

[Thino]

Pika's quick attack is meant to be unpredictable , a Ness shouldnt be able to spike you , or if you're talking about DJC dair trap its pretty much what Jazriel said

 

[JNS]

As pika try to stay mostly in th air so he can't grab you. I guess that by the way he abuses his grabs he probably doesn't no how to yo-yo well so just atack him fro the air, short hopping into aerials and aking unpredictable jump patterns then atacking.

 

[M3tr01D]

It may not be a horizontal spike but you get the idea. For ness's d-air chain, try to tech it. Usually you can tech out of it or he'll make a mistake.

Either way, it's one more reason why ness and luigi are WAY more cheap than kirby.

ness and luigi way more cheap than kirby....... wtf are you talking about?

 

[yoshi_fan]

He don't use the Yo-Yo too much, except if i'm trapped (west hyrule) or is WAY predictable, but he don't know how to use well.

He almost is rolling and jumping for avoid me, waiting for when I commit a error, he grabs me or do an air attack. I can tech his dair (when i'm in floor... whn not, i'm dead Lol)

 

[Thino]

if he only rolls and (normal-) jumps to avoid you , he should be quite annoyed by forward airs , try continue fairs into utilts, usmash ,grab ... anything that can get him away from you

 

[Jazriel]

Kirby's "cheap" moves: d-air into u-tilt or grab. f-air into grab.

Ness's cheap moves: DJC d-air, d-air, throws, pk thunder (not it itself, but being hit by it. This may not be so cheap but it overrides almost all of kirby's attacks and kills kirby at 60%+)

Luigi's cheap moves: U-b (this is blatantly overpowered. Being able to kill things at 50% (just like jiggs rest) but not being vulnerable afterwards is ****ed up)). Heh, that might be it.

Either way, like I said. Ness + Luigi > Kirby in terms of cheapness.

[Edit] Oh yeah: Luigi's u-smash/u-tilt. Same with Mario.

 

[moogle]

To yoshi_fan:

Here are some videos of Pikachu vs. Kirby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYUKHr9LKiM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COMwNbQJ30U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouUooMEHqig <- the legendary Isai pikachu!

 

[yoshi_fan]

Thanks very much

But i think i'm not gonna play THAT >.> Kirby anymore. I leave the clan also. I've beaten 3 times by the kirby with samus (the only way he wants to play with, and he press start so quickly i haven't got time to change ._., well in the last, i owned him with dificult combos 2 times, and he owns me using the grab and throw plus spike plus TAUNT (yes, eh taunt and Start to show he is a troll ->.>. Well, i discovered the bombs work almost very efectively against him, but is too dificult to attack him directly, so he only stall most of the time in the left side, and or come to me and do smashes, or I fall in his smashes when i try to attack him...

Well, also the up b of samus, when he discovered that counters against the down air, he stay at least 1 minute or more in the side waiting for my aproach. I got doomed when I try to attack

Well, then in the msn, he DONT acept kirby overpower, he said i suck (i beaten all only when the kirbys and when he put fox ship for win with fox then of be owned with him in hyrule -.-U), and i'm a baby, with happy faces all, like ravenlance yesterday, more like a troll. It kinda sucked, i have depression (i hope it says like that) now, that i cant beat such a noob (he DONT do L-cancel and nothing by that, he only use kirby overpower and lamer strategies.

WEll, nothing to say by that ._., and you can use with samus the bombs, the beam, and the up b for air kirby

 

[Thino]

I thought you were playing Pika... Samus , even when you know advanced techs , she still suck ,against a smash happy kirby
choose pika.

 

[yoshi_fan]

I'll choose Pika... but when i do, he changes. Still, i cant do any attacks of Pika's well, because their grounds attacks SUCKS, and the aerial, using the L-cancel too, i cant avoid of being smashed... and smashed and smashed and smashed, and cant come T.T

 

[Thino]

who does he choose when you choose Pika? Ness , isn't it?
you shouldnt rely too much your ground attacks if you're far from him,
if he plays Ness , aerials may annoy him as long as they're shorthopped and coming from the side.
If he plays Kirby , as he likes to smash , don't shorthop, attack him with dairs preferably.
utilt spam , usmash and grabs are your friends

 

[yoshi_fan]

I forgot to say, I own his Ness with Mario and PIca, then he choose Fox, i own him with Pica, and then he change and put Fox ship, and that mean i CANT get back to the platform, because he graba nd throw in the surface -.-U

But i almost own him with the others. So i said he pressed start so quickly, to no ahve to deal with the others.

 

[Thino]

How can't you get back on fox's ship?

 

[yoshi_fan]

Basically, Picachu quick-attack lag. It has a little, but still enough to get grabbed and trowed again by fox.

And if I try to reach the border, i get my *** kiked

 

[Thino]

Practice sweetspotting the ledge or quick very far away from him , don't make your quick attcks predictable ... and don't get grabbed ! remember that as long as you're in the air you can't be grabbed , full jump+dair (z-cancelled of course) is annoying for this level's Fox

 

[marthmaster04]

I use Mario for annoying Kirby players, fireballs are the perfect pressure for ticking them off and making them rush you. Drill to Uair and drill to tornado followed by uairs are kirby pwning combos. Ending these with usmashes leads to SATcess.

 

[Jazriel]

Like I said, other chars can combo, kirby can't really. Sure you can get like u-tilt to b-air and then u-air or stuff like that but it's nothing like other chars combos that don't even take skill to do (well, a considerably low amount of skill). D-air to u-air, u-air, u-b? EZ. Kirby? Maybe a d-air to u-tilt but that can only be done in the beginning of a match. Cheap my ***.

 

[ant-d]

You can be grabbed in the air.

 

[yoshi_fan]

lol, is true. I was kinda grabbed when i was trying to hit with the Dair of pica xD

I was so anoying

 

[Thino]

thats why I suggested not shorthopping

 

[MetalMarioMan]

well i dont know but im a mario fan and i dont have problems with the pink balls maybe you dont use the recover from a fall it gives you sometime to get up and kirbys are always attacking with dash attack or smash forward so i use the shield or roll and grab em from the back then i start doing my combo