How Many Smashers Here Actually (Still?) Care About Nintendo?

[mimgrim]

And I don't understand how people have the inability to understand both sides when both sides are pretty f***ing simple. >______________________________>

 

[Angrycuban]

I honestly don't understand the mindset of people who pick a character they don't have any attachment to, just because of how she or he plays. As much as I like playing Peach, I would never pick her if I didn't like her design or the franchise she comes from.

well i also play peach and i love her as a charcter, (i have like 70 pictures of peach fan art art saved on my computer and i draw my own all the time) the reason i love her is not because i have any attachment to the mario franchise in the slightest. Its her design, the way she moves, the feel and sound of her attacks and her movest set in general that i fell in love with. She is my favorite smash character because of that, not because of any pre-disposed attachment to the mario games. I dunno, different mindsets i suppose.

 

[lordvaati]

^ which ultimately I feel is sort of the real answer: everyone is walking in with different mindsets of how they portray Smash, mostly because you mold Smash into the experience you want. Some walk in ecstatic by the cornucopia of Nintendo fanservice and laerning new experiences and info about the company's legacy. Others go to analyze the battle mechanics and systems to find the most efficient style for competitive play. In other words, Smash like many Nintendo franchises, has something for everyone, possibly most of all with only Pokemon, Animal Crossing and maybe Metroid coming close. That is why it attracts so many, be it the hardcore fans who want Wanda in Mario Kart or the indifferent people who have no idea what the hell Justin Bailey is.

As for me personally, I will always love Nintendo and the franchises they make, warts and all. But it is through my love that I have to call out issues when I see them, as I have with stuff like NSMB2 having no purpose of existing or the Wii-U having an identity crisis. On the flip end I still defend other things like how the Wii was essential. But as I grow older and get more engrossed in the medium of gaming, I too must be more open to the fact that not everyone walks in with thesame thoughts and reasons, and live with it.


...though I will still call out bull arguments when seen( like the occasional crazy who thinks that Smash 4 will 100% be a casual snoozefest that needs to get modded again despite evidence to the contrary-but moving on....)

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

I'm a fan of every Nintendo series represented with a playable character (I word it like that because there's some pretty obscure franchises repped amongst trophies and music that I've not played yet), or at least like that series. My primary reason for playing SSB is because I love Nintendo, the series celebrating Nintendo makes it the perfect series. My wants for SSB4, in terms of newcomers in particular, is based on my Nintendo fandom. What characters I want in the game is generally based on what characters/franchises are most important to Nintendo.

I've never understood why there are people out there who play SSB but dislike or have no interest in Nintendo. Why would you ever even buy an SSB game if you don't like Nintendo? What would that person's thought process be? "A game that brings all of Nintendo's biggest franchises together and celebrates Nintendo history? I don't really like Nintendo... THIS GAME IS DEFINITELY FOR ME!".

The characters I enjoy playing as most are generally characters I'm attached to because of their games - Toon Link, Marth, Pokemon Trainer, Jigglypuff, Pikachu, Samus, Fox, Ike, Mr Game and Watch, Ice Climbers etc. But there's still characters that I like to play as that I'm less familiar with such as Lucas (not played much of Mother 3 yet), Lucario (more a classic Pokemon fan) and Snake (never played a Metal Gear game). Then there's characters who I really love but never play as in SSB because I'm not too fond of how they play - Mario, Bowser, DK, Wario, Link, Ganondorf...

I hope that answers the question.

 

[mimgrim]

I've never understood why there are people out there who play SSB but dislike or have no interest in Nintendo. Why would you ever even buy an SSB game if you don't like Nintendo? What would that person's thought process be? "A game that brings all of Nintendo's biggest franchises together and celebrates Nintendo history? I don't really like Nintendo... THIS GAME IS DEFINITELY FOR ME!".

Read the damn thread then. Hell even read the damned OP and you would realize he is not asking bout Nintendo as a company but rather the characters seen in smash. >_>

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

Read the damn thread then. Hell even read the damned OP and you would realize he is not asking bout Nintendo as a company but rather the characters seen in smash. >_>

Up yours. Read my damn post properly yourself you moron before attacking me. I explicitly talk about the characters seen in Smash, as well as Nintendo as a company. 'Disliking or having no interest in Nintendo' relates to Nintendo as a company as well as their characters and franchises. Prick.

 

[mimgrim]

Up yours. Read my damn post properly yourself you moron before attacking me. I explicitly talk about the characters seen in Smash, as well as Nintendo as a company. 'Disliking or having no interest in Nintendo' relates to Nintendo as a company as well as their characters and franchises. Prick.

Howabout you reread the part I quoted from you instead and then read the damned OP again.

 

[PikaJew]

There are people in here that love Nintendo and want Nintendo characters in the game.
There are people that despise Nintendo and want 3rd party characters in the game.

At the end of the day Smash bros has an incredible formula that has been tried to copied for years. It is not your regular fighting game. It attracts people from all over.

People who hate Nintendo and want more of their favorite 3rd party characters in the game need to remember that this is a Nintendo all stars game. People who love Nintendo need to realize that there are people out there that don't give two ****s about the majority of the roster

 

[Ulti-Bman]

Whoa....look what I've done. Hey guys, calm down a little. I didn't mean for my question to start any debates. I'm not a mod, but could we get back on-topic?

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

Howabout you reread the part I quoted from you instead and then read the damned OP again.

How about you go jump off a bridge? Anyway, that makes sense, just focus on one specific part of my post (which is actually relates to characters/franchises AS WELL AS the company) rather than the whole thing which explicitly answers the questions asked in the OP - whether I care about the characters canonically, whether I play as a character because they suit my play style or whether I play as them because I like their games, whether I'm interested in the franchises starring my favourite Smash characters... What more do you want? Maybe if you read the whole of my 'damned' (you really like that word don't you? Did mommy tell you that it's a bad word ) post properly you'd have got that.

Whoa....look what I've done. Hey guys, calm down a little. I didn't mean for my question to start any debates. I'm not a mod, but could we get back on-topic?

Sorry. I'm setting that jumped up mouthy little **** to ignore now anyway so I'll be wasting no more time on him.

 

[Vann Accessible]

I grew up playing Nintendo, and they are the creators of many of my favorite games and characters.

Having said that, I find Nintendo as a company too conservative and slow to adapt. While they dominate portables, I wouldn't mind them going third party for home consoles. They could focus on games and wouldn't have to focus on hardware.

 

[Angrycuban]

^ which ultimately I feel is sort of the real answer: everyone is walking in with different mindsets of how they portray Smash, mostly because you mold Smash into the experience you want. Some walk in ecstatic by the cornucopia of Nintendo fanservice and laerning new experiences and info about the company's legacy. Others go to analyze the battle mechanics and systems to find the most efficient style for competitive play. In other words, Smash like many Nintendo franchises, has something for everyone, possibly most of all with only Pokemon, Animal Crossing and maybe Metroid coming close. That is why it attracts so many, be it the hardcore fans who want Wanda in Mario Kart or the indifferent people who have no idea what the hell Justin Bailey is.

As for me personally, I will always love Nintendo and the franchises they make, warts and all. But it is through my love that I have to call out issues when I see them, as I have with stuff like NSMB2 having no purpose of existing or the Wii-U having an identity crisis. On the flip end I still defend other things like how the Wii was essential. But as I grow older and get more engrossed in the medium of gaming, I too must be more open to the fact that not everyone walks in with thesame thoughts and reasons, and live with it.


...though I will still call out bull arguments when seen( like the occasional crazy who thinks that Smash 4 will 100% be a casual snoozefest that needs to get modded again despite evidence to the contrary-but moving on....)

I agree with this 110%

 

[smashbro29]

Still waiting on that Star Fox game to even come close to 64.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

It's perfectly reasonable to enjoy Smash without liking Nintendo. I know this because while I love Smash for its characters, I don't care about Nintendo so much as a company these days, but I still can't put the series down because of how enthralling the gameplay is. Similar fanservice games, like PlayStation All-Stars and the Sonic & All-Stars Racing titles, attracted me with their gameplay as much as, if not more than, their character selections.

A lot of people play Smash for the gameplay, and sometimes they come to like the characters and series represented over time. That's part of what Smash Bros. is intended to be. It's not just a celebration of the company for long-time fans. It's also designed to bring in new fans by offering an extremely enjoyable gameplay experience. My friend mained Marth in Brawl having never played a Fire Emblem game. Now he's such a huge fan of the series I can hardly get him to shut up about it. And even if Smash players don't convert to Nintendo fans, who cares? Another friend of mine bought MvC3 just because he enjoyed the gameplay, having no particular attachment to either Marvel or Capcom. Each of the people who buy Smash for the gameplay only are another $50 for the company itself, so the "real" fans who love Nintendo should be happy about anyone playing Smash. If enough non-Nintendo fans buy Smash 4 to spur more first-party support for the Wii U, that can only be a good thing for Nintendo fans themselves.

Other Nintendo series are designed to be accessible in this way, as someone else pointed out. Animal Crossing and Pokémon are designed to appeal to both old and uninitiated fans. Why can't Smash Bros. operate the same way? Heck, there a lot of people who play these games but have no interest in the series beyond its gameplay. I know people who play Pokémon for the gameplay strictly and have no attachment to the series otherwise. Surely, if this can be such a common occurrence, why not accept people who play Smash only for the gameplay?

 

[[TSON]]

For me it's both. I usually main characters that I like because they are who they are based off of their games as well as characters that resonate well with me in Smash. About 50/50.

As far as supporting non-Smash games which the title kinda insinuates, definitely. I've always been a fan of most if not all Nintendo titles.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Nintendo fandom; 1-upsmanship at its finest.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I've never understood why there are people out there who play SSB but dislike or have no interest in Nintendo. Why would you ever even buy an SSB game if you don't like Nintendo? What would that person's thought process be?

Um, it's my money--and I can do whatever I want with it?

 

[Ulti-Bman]

I'll add my own opinions to the mix. I personally main most of the characters by how much I like them, and then grow accustomed to their playstyles over time. Like Kirby, Mario, Luigi, Toon Link, Lucario, and Pikachu for example. However, there are some characters whom I don't particularly care about, but still enjoy the way they play, and thus I'll use them a lot. Like Marth or Captain Falcon. Also, a lot of the characters I like tend to be Melee veterans, probably due to nostalgia.

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

Um, it's my money--and I can do whatever I want with it?

Um, where did I say that you couldn't?

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Um, where did I say that you couldn't?

You're acting like it's a problem for others to play smash for their own reasons, and that you have some air of superiority and higher ethical integrity because. Basically, you're coming off as a hipster on his moral high horse.

In the end you should respect each others reasons for what they do instead if being a jerk about it to others. Why should it matter why we play the game?--I'm giving them my money; Nintendo isn't doing me a favor.

You really didn't need to act the way you do towards other people. And the fact that you would typographically yell at someone then immediately block them without acknowledging their retort because you can't handle objective criticism is childish and rude.

Everyone has a right to do whatever they want. Unless you're buying him his game systems and copies if smash don't try to belittle peoples reasoning.

 

[mimgrim]

You really didn't need to act the way you do towards other people. And the fact that you would typographically yell at someone then immediately block them without acknowledging their retort because you can't handle objective criticism is childish and rude.

I just want to get something cleared here, even if that person has me on ignore. I was rude as hell when I replied, I can admit that freely, and that was due to seeing the same thing getting posted over and over again which has already been addressed in the thread and had he read the whole thread he would have know how/why. But I never actually insulted him and when he proceeded to insult me I still didn't insult him, I was still rude as hell but meh.

I just wanted to get that cleared up.

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

You're acting like it's a problem for others to play smash for their own reasons, and that you have some air of superiority and higher ethical integrity because. Basically, you're coming off as a hipster on his moral high horse.

In the end you should respect each others reasons for what they do instead if being a jerk about it to others. Why should it matter why we play the game?--I'm giving them my money; Nintendo isn't doing me a favor.

You really didn't need to act the way you do towards other people. And the fact that you would typographically yell at someone then immediately block them without acknowledging their retort because you can't handle objective criticism is childish and rude.

Everyone has a right to do whatever they want. Unless you're buying him his game systems and copies if smash don't try to belittle peoples reasoning.

Right... Let's go over EXACTLY what I said:

I've never understood why there are people out there who play SSB but dislike or have no interest in Nintendo. Why would you ever even buy an SSB game if you don't like Nintendo? What would that person's thought process be? "A game that brings all of Nintendo's biggest franchises together and celebrates Nintendo history? I don't really like Nintendo... THIS GAME IS DEFINITELY FOR ME!".

I merely said that I've never understood why SSB would appeal to someone who isn't a fan of Nintendo, it being a game all about Nintendo. You never answered my question, when did I say that you couldn't do what you wanted with your own money? I never said anything of the like. Nor did I say that I had a problem with people playing SSB for their own reasons, nor do I. I didn't say that I disrespect peoples reasons, nor do I. I didn't say that certain people have no right to buy SSB. As for rudeness, the only person I was rude to was the person that was rude to me. You just interpreted it all that way. To reel off a few cliques - you put two and two together and got five, you made a mountain out of a molehill, you put words into my mouth... and so on. You even managed to read my mind and determine exactly the way I feel about people! I'm sorry you took it the way you did and took offence.

No I don't think I have an air of superiority and higher ethical integrity, but thanks anyway. Hipser? Well I tend to like non-mainstream stuff so maybe I am. Thanks! If we're playing that game then my antiphon is that you come across as being a tad defensive. Why not just tell me the reasons why you play SSB instead launching into a rant about me? That would've been a lot simpler.

As for that guy, I can't remember his name now, I couldn't care less, should have perhaps responded to my post politely and constructively like a normal person, rather being incredibly rude and cursing at me. For what? One paragraph in my post that isn't 100% on topic? If someone talks to me like that then I think I'm entitled to do the same thing back to them (I know I went overboard, I'm sorry about that, but not that I was rude back), especially when I've done nothing wrong. I've blocked him because I've said all that I need to say to him, I don't really care what more he has to say to me and I don't want an argument to go on and on and on. Oh, and there's big differences between giving someone 'objective criticism' and telling them to do damn this and damn that, the main difference being that I'm willing to listen to the former.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Right... Let's go over EXACTLY what I said:



I merely said that I've never understood why SSB would appeal to someone who isn't a fan of Nintendo, it being a game all about Nintendo. You never answered my question, when did I say that you couldn't do what you wanted with your own money? I never said anything of the like. Nor did I say that I had a problem with people playing SSB for their own reasons, nor do I. I didn't say that I disrespect peoples reasons, nor do I. I didn't say that certain people have no right to buy SSB. As for rudeness, the only person I was rude to was the person that was rude to me. You just interpreted it all that way. To reel off a few cliques - you put two and two together and got five, you made a mountain out of a molehill, you put words into my mouth... and so on. You even managed to read my mind and determine exactly the way I feel about people! I'm sorry you took it the way you did and took offence.

No I don't think I have an air of superiority and higher ethical integrity, but thanks anyway. Hipser? Well I tend to like non-mainstream stuff so maybe I am. Thanks! If we're playing that game then my antiphon is that you come across as being a tad defensive. Why not just tell me the reasons why you play SSB instead launching into a rant about me? That would've been a lot simpler.

As for that guy, I can't remember his name now, I couldn't care less, should have perhaps responded to my post politely and constructively like a normal person, rather being incredibly rude and cursing at me. For what? One paragraph in my post that isn't 100% on topic? If someone talks to me like that then I think I'm entitled to do the same thing back to them (I know I went overboard, I'm sorry about that, but not that I was rude back), especially when I've done nothing wrong. I've blocked him because I've said all that I need to say to him, I don't really care what more he has to say to me and I don't want an argument to go on and on and on. Oh, and there's big differences between giving someone 'objective criticism' and telling them to do damn this and damn that, the main difference being that I'm willing to listen to the former.

He already admitted to his rudeness. And I understand that you feel like you didn't say anything wrong, but you still questioned others morals; asking what someone's thought process be, as if that mattered. It's not Aristotelian literature, what's so hard to understand? Not everyone is so enamored by Nintendo as you, however, some people like fighting games or party games, and you can see that in this thread.

You then proceeding to call him a "prick ", saying "up yours", calling him an ass, and telling him to jump off of a cliff? If you can't see the problem with what you said then I really don't know what else I can say to you.

As rude as the poster was for telling you to "read the damn op", it was because you responded in a manner in which the opposed the original post, as he didn't want to turn this thread into a bragging contest about what games you played and all that jazz, and I imagine he was fed up with it, so he responded in such a way. However, he never attempted to call you out of your name such as you did.

You say you don't care , but the fact that you blocked him shows otherwise.

And to answer your question since I didn't: I play Super Smash Bros the games because I enjoy them.

 

[Angrycuban]

The salt on this page is very real

 

[Tetra's Tracker]

He already admitted to his rudeness. And I understand that you feel like you didn't say anything wrong, but you still questioned others morals; asking what someone's thought process be, as if that mattered. It's not Aristotelian literature, what's so hard to understand? Not everyone is so enamored by Nintendo as you, however, some people like fighting games or party games, and you can see that in this thread.

You then proceeding to call him a "prick ", saying "up yours", calling him an ***, and telling him to jump off of a cliff? If you can't see the problem with what you said then I really don't know what else I can say to you.

As rude as the poster was for telling you to "read the damn op", it was because you responded in a manner in which the opposed the original post, as he didn't want to turn this thread into a bragging contest about what games you played and all that jazz, and I imagine he was fed up with it, so he responded in such a way. However, he never attempted to call you out of your name such as you did.

You say you don't care , but the fact that you blocked him shows otherwise.

And to answer your question since I didn't: I play Super Smash Bros but the games and I enjoy them.

As fun and delightful as it's been this conversation is we're starting to go around in circles now.

It's funny you mention a famous philosopher. Philosophy is generally breathing meaning that just isn't there into any old gobbledygook. I feel that's what you're doing, you're trying to read between the lines to find some hidden meaning in my post so that you can be offended and therefore have an excuse to berate me. Trust me, there's no double entrendres there.

Yes I did ask what someone's thought process would be (which has nothing to do with morals, but never mind). What's wrong with that? No it doesn't matter what is it, but there's nothing wrong with asking questions is there? That's how we learn, that's how we start debate (which is the whole point of a forum). If that's what you find objectionable then wow. My simple question (granted asked in an unorthodox manner) was more about what would make a non-Nintendo fan buy a SSB game in the first place, it being marketed primarily at Nintendo fans, rather than why they're playing the games now. I guess that question has been answered now (albeit indirectly) - because they like fighting and/or party games. Yay! That's my curiosity satisfied. Jesus Christ, if I knew it would have resulted in being cursed and being accused of having a problem with how people spend their money; having a problem with certain people playing a game; being on some sort of moral high horse and whatever other rubbish conclusions about me you've culled about me, I'd have not said anything!

Now, when I was talking about 'not saying anything wrong' I was referring to my initial post (which we've discussed ad nauseum) where I believe I say nothing wrong at all, not what I said to that guy. If you re-read my last post you'd see that I admit to going overboard and apologise for that (it's a long post, and that part is written within parentheses, so you can be forgiven for missing it), however I say I'm not sorry for being rude back, and I'm still not. Maybe I shouldn't have said those things, but hey, I have a temper. Clutch at straws all you like making pathetic excuses for him, but it was HE that started the fight by needlessly being rude to me, it was HE who provoked and aggravated me. So please, don't fool yourself into thinking he's an innocent party here and that what happened was started by me rather than him. Whether it be on the internet or in real life, if someone bites at me, I'm going to bite back, I'm not going to just sit there and take it. Oh and nothing in my post was totally off topic and opposing OP, this I've already explained to him and you. Even if it was, it is no excuse to curse at me and be rude to me. If his admittance to being rude is some sort of apology (yeah right) then I accept .

About me caring or not caring, please don't tell me what I think. When he responded to me the way he did I was offended, so by definition, I did care. But now I feel I've said everything I need to say to him, got it off my chest, I don't care in the slightest what more he has to say to me. I've already outlined the reasons why I blocked him. The main reason being that I don't want an argument with him to go on and on, I really don't care or want to know what more he has to say to me, I don't want the stress or aggravation, I've got bigger things to worry about and better things to do with my time. Also, I just don't like the guy, why would I want to talk to someone I dislike? If he had responded to me in a polite and constructive manner (like I suppose you're doing) then I'd be happy to talk with him ad infinitium, which applies to anyone. I've no interest in speaking with someone who replies to me in the opposite way i.e. being rude and abusive. Those sort of people don't deserve my time.

 

[Angrycuban]

this whole page is so off topic and awesome lmao

 

[Eight Melodies]

What has happened to this thread

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

What has happened to this thread

I dunno. I'm watching Kung Fu movies now.

Little Tiger is the ****.

 

[Ulti-Bman]

Well, there goes my first thread ever created. XD In all seriousness though, I've gotten what I needed out of this, so if a mod sees fit to close it, I won't mind.

 

[Angrycuban]

Well, there goes my first thread ever created. XD In all seriousness though, I've gotten what I needed out of this, so if a mod sees fit to close it, I won't mind.

But reading these arguments has provided amazing entertainment for the past few days

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Nothing says "I don't care" like writing an essay on why you don't.

#PuttingItOutThere

 

[HammerHappy]

I like Capt. Falcon, but I can't really tell which side that puts me on.

His Smash persona essentially IS his character. He's known more for the Falcon Punch than he is for being a race car driver.
Either way, I play him because he's a rad dude and he plays hard and fast.

 

[SuperBrawler]

*sees title*

Who's counting?

 

[Ulti-Bman]

*sees title*

Who's counting?

....me?

 

[Curious Villager]

Well, there goes my first thread ever created. XD In all seriousness though, I've gotten what I needed out of this, so if a mod sees fit to close it, I won't mind.

Well alrighty then.

*Thread locked due to OP's own request..... and due to off-topic talk*