How many people can live with out glitches

[Icy_Eagle]

Why why why why why why why

All that has to be said

Why do people keep on creating these flamebaits?

 

[HZ514]

..Last I checked, Fewer, and Less, are synonyms >_> So really, it doesn't matter. And even if it is a minor grammer error, Everybody knows exactly what I meant, so quit being so picky about something that minor. -_-

Actually, no. (I learned this in language class last year.) "Less" is used for objects which cannot be physically counted (less pain, less fun, etc.) and "fewer" is used for things which can (apples, oranges, threads, etc.). We all knew what you meant, but someone mentioned grammar right before, so he naturally felt he should tell you that you were wrong.

By the way, it's just using what the game gives you to be better. What else can you do in a game?

Edit: (I forgot what I was going to type before...) Professional Smash players wouldn't refuse to play Brawl just because WD is out. I would hope they have more pride than that, at least.

 

[TerrorSmash]

wow this post has went way of topic

 

[TheOJ]

Why do people keep on complaining about wavedashing!?!?

 

[NES n00b]

If we mean pure glitches, I guess I can live without the blackhole, superjump, jumpcancelled grabs, upb and upsmash out of sheild, and other such glitches.

Jump cancelled grabs and upb/upsmash out of shield were the only glitches that added any depth to the game anyways so I will be fine without glitches.

If you mean just the wavedash, I can live without it, too. They just can't strip all the depth from the game or else I wouldn't really play it that often. At most, it would be a game where I would put all items on or high bombombs/mines/pokemon/assist trophies/final smashes and play for 15 to 30 minutes ever month or something instead of game where I would try to improve and play about once a week for good amount of hours.

 

[Timat the Slayer]

Actually, no. (I learned this in language class last year.) "Less" is used for objects which cannot be physically counted (less pain, less fun, etc.) and "fewer" is used for things which can (apples, oranges, threads, etc.). We all knew what you meant, but someone mentioned grammar right before, so he naturally felt he should tell you that you were wrong.

I see. That, I didn't know, and will admit it.

However, couldn't a "Thread" be counted physically? After all, it's not an emotional, or purely mental concept like pain, fun, love, whatever. And it is represented by visualizations on the computer (or moniter before anyone busts my *** for that too -_- ).

Maybe I'm just backwards or something, but I think it would still fit in there >_>;

 

[Kirb94]

*raises hand*

 

[TerrorSmash]

OK for anyone else who reads this post i dont mind WD for crying out loud I read posts that people wouldnt play brawl if they fixed the things that they didnt intend to put in

 

[KirbySSB]

Why do people keep on complaining about wavedashing!?!?

because its called "wavedashing" and this puts a weird mental image in people's heads. if it was called "sliding" nobody would give a ****

 

[NES n00b]

If you mean every unintended stuff, heck no. I don't know how much of ssbm's metagame was unitentional but I guarentee that the game would be shallower overall.

I would stick with Melee if Sakurai would be anal enough to take out anything he didn't put in the game to his concept of how it should be played. Since I know he wouldn't do stuff like that, I will most likely play Brawl.

 

[TerrorSmash]

well your the only one who has given a good reply and i can see your point

 

[C.Olimar788]

I really don't care whether wvaedashing and other "glitches" are in Brawl. I don't use them anyway, and really don't care enough to learn.

 

[voittaa711]

Wavedashing has to be in brawl. Every character slides a little bit so..... if there is airdoging, there will be WDing

 

[Spellman]

lol most of the glitches were easy to avoid, and not a big deal at all. Yeah there is a certain sense of mind game to wave dashing, but like any opponent, once you learn their patterns, they become less of a threat. You never know how your opponent is going to play, and I don't think there is any fool proof methods to defeat every opponent the first time around.

In conclusion, I don't think Wave Dashing is cheap, and I can live with it or without it.

 

[behemoth]

Okay, is anyone actually paying attention to the OP? (other than... three people I think)? The OP asked whether people who use the WD as part of their playing style would refuse to update to Brawl if it was no longer in the game.

I personally would play both for at least a while. If a new technique was discovered in Brawl which had the same benefits (mindgames, spacing, etc.) and it made Melee seem obsolete by comparison, then I would likely retire the gamedisc.

Edit: Oh, and when you spell grammar "grammer", you have no room to talk.

Geez, with spelling, you even get a bright red dotted line under the offending word. Being a grammar nazi is unflattering to say the least.

 

[Volrec]

If you care about glitches so much go get infinite comboed in Capcom vs SNK 2

no one gives a ****

 

[Ryudragon29]

A game is not a game if you can't exploit the basic technique but I wouldn't care at all if any of "advance technique"from Melee is gone.

 

[Kirb94]

I can. I don't like it because it is abused.

 

[Takalth]

OK for anyone else who reads this post i dont mind WD for crying out loud I read posts that people wouldnt play brawl if they fixed the things that they didnt intend to put in

The thread, unfortunately, was based on a false premise. In all of my time on Smashboards, I have only seen 2 people say that they wouldn't play if wavedashing was removed, and one of those later retracted his statement (the other may have as well. I'm not sure).

If everybody stayed on topic, the thread would have looked like this:

Original Post.

Reply #1: People who think that are stupid.

Reply #2: I love wavedashing, but I'll still play the game.

Thread dies.


The law of the Brawl discussion section of Smashboards is that any time somebody mentions wavedashing, a vicious barrage of people throwing out their opinions begins, regardless of what the thread's intention is.

I used to try to get into those conversations until I realized that nobody on the other side truly wanted to debate. They would just spew their opinion, you would counter it, so they would just spew it again.

 

[NES n00b]

I can. I don't like it because it is abused.

How can you abuse wavedashing (I assume wavedashing becuase I see it and they) without being punished (Unless you are Luigi, Mewtwo, or ICs and still abusing would be the wrong word)? If you know they are going to wavedash back, space accordingly and hit them. It's not that hard.

If you are talking about glitches, only jump cancelled or something out of shield are true glitches that are useful. If advance techs in general, most are exploits besides the ones I say above so people are not cheating or whatever. You should I always do what gives you the best shot of winning in the game.

NO JOHNS.

Edit: Hopefully you aren't talking about me Talkath. I try to put some thought in my debate posts.

 

[Girl]

I think it depends on what your goal is. Are you looking for a game with advance techs or are you looking for a game that revolves around manipulatoin and stage control. Either way, the fans of the game will somehow find something, may not be a glitch, but it would still be "unorthadox" i guess you could say

 

[Shadow Calibur]

I really don't care either way. I'm not very proficient in wavedashing, but I learn when I can.

If it's in, I can at least try to hone it.

If not, I can always look for other techniques to add to my repetoire.

I can at least acknowledge that wavedashing is no glitch, but a technique.

 

[NES n00b]

I think it depends on what your goal is. Are you looking for a game with advance techs or are you looking for a game that revolves around manipulatoin and stage control. Either way, the fans of the game will somehow find something, may not be a glitch, but it would still be "unorthadox" i guess you could say

Advance tech users do both. It is just with advance techs that make the game faster. These techs make it harder for you to predict due to speed, easier to punish mistakes with, easier to force mistakes with, make it easier to get back from edgeguarding and to edgeguard someone else, and allows you to punish in the most effective way whether it is for damage or knockback for an edgeguard. I also threw in some advance tatics but people associate them with advance tech users so yeah.

You should re examine pro and tourney matches. lol What makes you think there is less mindgames and spacing in pro matches?

 

[Spellman]

Sigh

The truth of the matter is, you can Wave Dash in the game, so if you don't like people doing it to you, then you oughta learn to do it yourself and see if you can master it better then they can. I don't think you can abuse anything, like power sliding and boosting in Mario Kart. There was two distinct communities, people who thought snaking was a legal method of play and people who thought it was cheap and an "exploit of it's intended use".

Cheating or being cheap is whipping out an Game Genie or a Game shark or an Action Replay or whatever other hax there are out there and granting only one user super abilities, or setting the handicap 9 vs. 1.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

See, the only glitch in the game is Wavedashing.

So the real question is, "How many people can live without Wavedashing?" , and the answer is all of us, unless you're just a complete loser who will refuse to play the game without it.

If I offended anyone, good =] .

 

[Red Exodus]

WD isn't as important as SHFFLing, but on a whole all techs help each other.

Another thing to note is WDing spawns other techniques, such as pulse walking.

 

[Mr. Ocax]

People who would be pissed off if wavedashing is gone take the game to seriously. I am shocked that some pros don't think Ganon and Falco are going to be changed at all! HAH!

 

[NES n00b]

See, the only glitch in the game is Wavedashing.

So the real question is, "How many people can live without Wavedashing?" , and the answer is all of us, unless you're just a complete loser who will refuse to play the game without it.

If I offended anyone, good =] .

I explained this already. Look below.

Did you all know that the developers intended for wavelanding? :o

In other words, they made it so that if you air dodge towards the ground you will slide on the ground depending on angle, traction, and where you were from relation to the ground. The developers probably thought it would make sense to make it so you slide a little when you airdodge towards the ground. Wavedashing was made by finding out you can airdodge immediately after jump and can get more distance if you angle the stick more horizontally. Maybe it was not intended (it could have been imagined for all we ****ing know), but it isn't a glitch. Then you would have to call all sorts of stuff glitches. Should we remove some combos that look like it is unintended or is useful compared to others?

As you can see, it is not a glitch. It is a TATIC that was unintended that was made by EXPLOITING the properties of the waveland. So just play the game.

It is an exploit and yes we can all live without it.

The only real glitches are things that takes advantage confusing the game command with the jump to cancel lag by making runs turn into attacks that only would work normally in standing animation (reduces lag of grabs and allows upsmashes immediately after running) and upb/upsmash out of sheil. Urg. . . . . . .

Edit: What pros say that Ganon won't be change? >.> And what pros do you talk to? You probably just mean competative people who don't say that kind of stuff either. lol

 

[TerrorSmash]

finally this post is on topic. well i cant say much but if they were to still have these advanced tech's they should do somn with the heavy people so they can keep up with the battle but i did hear that super armor was gona be used on the heavy people but im wondering if its only when your doing a slow smash attack but that could leave to probs to

 

[Burning Lava]

What is with people just TRYING to start forum wars? I guess that's the "new" in n00b for ya. Anyhow, yes, I've finally decided I can live without wavedashing, but better without it?? I think not. It's OK, I understand. There will always be something for people to complain about. I think everyone who doesn't like/use "advanced techs," should have a read at this. (It's talking about Street Fighter, but the same applies to Smash.) Actually, it's a good read for anyone. Check it. Let me know what ya think.

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

 

[Deathblown]

Im gonna have to side with the "Won't be" team. I actually hope they dont.

I feel too dirty when I WD against people who can't or don't back. So I gave it up a while back. =p

 

[The Hypnotist]

WAVEDASHING CAN ONLY HELP YOU SO MUCH.

This is true, however do not under estimate wavedashing...

Wavedashing allows you to move backwards without changing direction while attacking. It allows some characters to move faster than running, and it makes edgehogging very easy. It also leads to many important very good techniques like waveshing.

 

[Kooichi]

*Raises his hand* I'm not a wavedash user, It's not as fun for mi XD

 

[Pyroloserkid]

*Raises his hand* I'm not a wavedash user, It's not as fun for mi XD

Well, maybe with a little more practice you can do it right and use it to your advantage. =]

 

[Igneous42]

Wait, since when was wavedashing a glitch?

A glitch is something which was not programmed in there, but is caused by someone breaking or trying to break the game mechanics.

Wavedashing is an exploit, meaning the mechanics were programmed in, but it wasn't used as how the programmers intended it to.

WAVEDASHING NEVER WAS A GLITCH.

Try to get that trough your thick brains please.

And it's funny that only 2007 registrees so far have responded negatively towards wavedashing. What did wavedashing ever do to you?

lol clever use of broken mechanics and glitches might as well be the same thing. The only difference is that one is banned by tourneys and the other isn't Yeah while I'm not 100% anti wave dashing or anything I'd prefer they make it so brawl has to be played the way it was supposed to. Bringing back some strategic elements that are somewhat lost now in melee.

 

[Klowne]

lol clever use of broken mechanics and glitches might as well be the same thing. The only difference is that one is banned by tourneys and the other isn't Yeah while I'm not 100% anti wave dashing or anything I'd prefer they make it so brawl has to be played the way it was supposed to. Bringing back some strategic elements that are somewhat lost now in melee.

The "broken" machanics thing is false, see the huge text reading "WAVEDASHING CAN ONLY HELP YOU SO MUCH" that has been repeatedly posted here.

Your last statements are hillariously contradictory. If melee was played "the way it was supposed to be", then there WOULD BE NO STRATEGIC ELEMENTS. It would simply be a short-lived party game with no depth and lots of random explosions. The only reason this game has enough depth and "strategic elements" to be a good fighting game is because of advanced techs and exploits like wavedashing, which obviously weren't how the game was intended to be played.

If clever use of mechanics = unintended glitches, then i assure you, even if wavedashing is removed, scrubs will always find something new to complain about by using the "glitch/unintended" argument. It would be an endless cycle of complaining.

 

[Yoshi1999]

WD isn't a glitch =\

 

[Red Exodus]

lol clever use of broken mechanics and glitches might as well be the same thing. The only difference is that one is banned by tourneys and the other isn't Yeah while I'm not 100% anti wave dashing or anything I'd prefer they make it so brawl has to be played the way it was supposed to. Bringing back some strategic elements that are somewhat lost now in melee.

As far as Sakurai knows he created a party game. Without advanced techniques it would still be a party game and there would be no point in even taking the game remotely seriously.

I still don't know why people hate ATS so much, don't like them? Don't use them and don't play as people that use them. It's simple yet people act like we put a gun to their head and force them to play our way.

 

[TerrorSmash]

well i see people have assumed again that we are botherd by it i have to say IM AM NOT im asking people a simple thing if they remove some NOT all i repeat NOT ALL well you still use what brawl has and try to be the best you can

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the guy I quoted -.-