How exactly do you ledge grab cancel with squirtle

[Magik0722]

So im getting mixed results with ledge grab canceling from a hydro grab with squitle, i simply seem to get it at random times
in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-TiCLHh4I&feature=channel_page @ :23 is an example

for some reason i cannot do it in training mode and i only get it a few times versus computers so im thinking it might be somehting with how they mash out of the grab, or another possibility is when exactly i pummel them, i just thought i'd ask here in case anyone knew for sure

 

[Steeler]

afaik it's about pummel timing. pummel right when you get to the edge.

you should read the back room more.

 

[Magik0722]

you should read the back room more.

let me do that real quick...

 

[Toby.]

hahah what a song for a smash match.

 

[Magik0722]

i just put random songs since i needed a song but i dont really listen to music so i just pick


also on the pummel theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=166eDGq1O0s&feature=channel_page @ 1:27
i ledge grab cancel on the second pummel how can this be if i need to pummel when i reach the ledge, maybe has to do with the curved ledge?

 

[Steeler]

i don't think it matters which pummel it is, as long as you time the button press right. i think the diddy just happened to break on the second pummel. i mean, i've done it at low low percent where i pummel once and i ledge cancel when they break out immediately.

 

[andilex]

so i pummel when they break free? so it is pretty much random when i wil get it then?


<---- Magik

 

[Steeler]

it's either pummel when they break free or pummel when squirtle gets to the edge.

you should look up how meta knights do it to dedede, i'm pretty sure they've figured it out.

 

[AdmiralComrade]

wow must to hard if they get released during a hydrograb but i think that isnt the case cause i was testing it 2day (on DDD) and the % he was on was "impossible" to break free so fast so iunno

i recorded it and looked at it frame by frame and i think you start to pummel them be4 squirtle reaches the edge.
so when u reach the edge squirtle's pummel hits

(distance of the grab doesnt matter, well i havent tried for long distances yet, only distances be4 the circles of Battlefield)
iunno thats what i think atm ill test again later. hope this helps somewhat.

as for the video on yoshis island and battlefield agasint diddy it completely wreaks my theory on this =[

but it cant be pummel till they get released/ break free because ive tried it so many times and it just doenst work as they fall but you dont follow. hmm..

 

[CoonTail]

So I have a replay on my wii of this happening to a luigi at 0% or mayb 5% but either way real low percent. If anyone can help me upload it or anything it could be used as more study material because I too have been trying to figure this out now mainly because this really could lead to ungodly early gimps on characters if done right. So anyone who can help me or has any interest in figuring this out let me know

 

[Magik0722]

recently ive gotten some more of these but soem more interesting ones, 2 times i got a ledge grab cancel into a footstool and really set them way down low and is a good spike, i did it once against a diddy kong player and another against a link.

 

[Toby.]

haha magik wouldn't it be easier to just continue the talk about footstooling with it in the BR?

 

[Magik0722]

people still use the pokemon back room?

 

[Toby.]

there's a pokemon trainer back room?

gosh.

i want in.

...

yeah man theres been heaaaaps of talk about it in there. lol.

 

[Magik0722]

when steeler said read the back room i thought he meant the SBR...

Ok reading it in the back room and now i know why this happens and how "I" do it but lets keep that hush hush like yall said and hope that the people who practice it will understand after a few minutes

Ill change this thread to instead of asking a question to the actual applications

 

[typh]

someone delete this topic please

Spoiler

i'm not being serious fyi

 

[shinyspoon42]

Please don't delete this topic.

Spoiler

Typh is being serious.

 

[T-block]

So, anyone wanna fill in the non-PTBR members? ^^ Is it actually pummel when they break?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Christ on crutches. I don't understand why people care to keep it hushed.

If they try to break out, it works. If they don't, then you get free pummels, but they break out normally.

It's out of your control. Just pummel and hope for the best.

 

[Miles.]

Christ on crutches. I don't understand why people care to keep it hushed.

If they try to break out, it works. If they don't, then you get free pummels, but they break out normally.

It's out of your control. Just pummel and hope for the best.

you know we could really have kept thought out of common knowledge for at least a year.

oh well.

hhahah

 

[TheReflexWonder]

you know we could really have kept thought out of common knowledge for at least a year.

oh well.

hhahah

You're right, but I'm not convinced that hiding information we find, whether positive or negative, will benefit our metagame.

 

[Magik0722]

but keeping it out of common knowledge will hurt the technique

 

[TheReflexWonder]

but keeping it out of common knowledge will hurt the technique

If we keep relying on a tactic that doesn't really work, then we'll have less incentive to learn new stuff. We want to push PT as far as we can, right?

 

[typh]

it really doesn't matter if it's public or not anyway, people still won't know about it. it's not like people consider PT a threat

hell, I've yet to play someone in tournament that knows they can just footstool me out of withdraw.

 

[Zigsta]

Well I for one thank you for bringing this forward, Reflex. It ticks me off to know that the BR is holding out on some techs while there are PT mains out there not in the BR left in the dark as they work to improve. Sure, it doesn't allow competitors at tournaments to know about PT, but if our best PT mains don't share their input, how will others improve?

 

[Toby.]

Its not so much a case of not sharing something we've discovered in the BR. I don't think the intention was ever to leave you guys in the dark about this tech, we just hadn't got around to writing a thread about it.

The bit nobody wanted to talk about is the weakness of the tech, which completely shuts it down.

Anyway I have to go to work. I'm sure everything will be explained once somebody has time to do a write up.

 

[Miles.]

only thing we kept in the backroom was how to stop the tech.

not how to do it or anything. its pretty simple actually.

 

[T-block]

Does someone wanna PM me then x.x

 

[Toby.]

I'll send you a PM. But you can expect a thread about it soon anyway, so no need to worry.