How do you approach Olimar?

[mondofabulous]

I was just wondering how you guys approach an Olimar on thr ground(Olimar on the ground.) I sometimes have problems with Olimar because he will play way too defensively and stick to his spot.
Generally I will use a mortal slide as long as Oli doesnt interupt it with something. But I recently started using a short hopped Dair, and I hit with the last one or two hits, definitely the last.

So ya, what approaches do you guys find useful?

 

[Hostility]

Grenades and C4 planted on the stage to make him shield and then just mortar slide around. This matchup is so stupidly easy, it's not even fair for olimar. Every time an olimar hits you it's 100% snake's fault.

 

[Mi.]

I'm confused. This is an easy match-up for Snake? I thought Olimar countered Snake due to the fact that he juggles him easily and such.
Also, can't Olimar just grab you as you're mortar sliding?

Anyway, I haven't played many Olimars, but when I do, I don't really approach often.
I'll cook grenades and such to force them to approach me then go from there.
Like always, C4 is really nice, but proximity mines are nearly useless due to the ability of one Pikmin to just tank it.

 

[Hostility]

I'm confused. This is an easy match-up for Snake? I thought Olimar countered Snake due to the fact that he juggles him easily and such.
Also, can't Olimar just grab you as you're mortar sliding?

Anyway, I haven't played many Olimars, but when I do, I don't really approach often.
I'll cook grenades and such to force them to approach me then go from there.
Like always, C4 is really nice, but proximity mines are nearly useless due to the ability of one Pikmin to just tank it.

Every character can juggle snake, but its hard for olimar to get a good juggle if he's stuck in his shield with grenades and mortars and C4 all over him.

I've played a lot of olimars in tournament and never lost to one.

 

[Mi.]

All right, I'll take your word for it.
Do you have any videos up against Olimars by any chance? I'd like to see at least one. =/
I'm too lazy to search on YouTube right now..Why am I still awake?

 

[Hostility]

All right, I'll take your word for it.
Do you have any videos up against Olimars by any chance? I'd like to see at least one. =/
I'm too lazy to search on YouTube right now..Why am I still awake?

No videos unfortunetly, most norcal tournaments dont get recorded at all =/.

 

[hulk hands]

thats sumthing i need help with 2
i use snake alot but olimar gets alot of damage on me b4 i even get to him
any tips?

 

[mondofabulous]

thanks for the info guys, but i think you guys are talking about going agaist an Olimar, rather than actually approaching him.

I know that when going agaisnt an Olimar, Snake should stay defensive. Shield drop nades, C4, mines, etc.

But what i want to know are good ways to get close to him instead of him coming to you. Just so i can mix up my game abit. thanks again!

 

[Machiavelli.CF]

i use both these ppl...

C4s don't work (most of the time)...since olimar jumps and spaces alot like marth

'nades only at a range, for 2 reasons...
1: he will pickmin throw on u when u are holding the 'nade and timing it...
2: they sometimes go over olimar's head...

 

[DanGR]

Hostility, you haven't played any good Olimars, have you?

Grenades and C4 planted on the stage to make him shield and then just mortar slide around. This matchup is so stupidly easy, it's not even fair for olimar. Every time an olimar hits you it's 100% snake's fault.

You can't place a mine ON olimar when approaching. As far as I'm concerned, I don't even have to move unless you show me a reason otherwise. I can SH and throw pikmen all day while you plant your mines and crud.

Every character can juggle snake, but its hard for olimar to get a good juggle if he's stuck in his shield with grenades and mortars and C4 all over him.

I've played a lot of olimars in tournament and never lost to one.

All of Olimar's moves except fair, dair, upb, fsmash, ftilt, and dsmash will send you in the air, setting you up for combos, which Snake's heavy body can't avoid well.

As for the grenades, Olimar's pikmin "outcamp" Snake. 2 pikmin can be thrown in one SH and about 3-4 in a full hop. If you throw a grenade, Olimar can throw two pikmin and dodge the grenade. It's easy. Snake has to approach if he's playing against a decent Olimar.

I know that when going agaisnt an Olimar, Snake should stay defensive. Shield drop nades, C4, mines, etc.

Snake has to approach, so staying defensive doesn't work. Sorry.

I'm trying not to sound mean, but the stereotype about snake players is that they think they're gods, and they're just not.

Edit: I came here looking for a matchup thread, but instead, I found a matchup thread glorifying Snake's awesomeness, not talking about harder matchups.

 

[Ghetto Soldier]

im sry but none of this **** works, you guys are talking about fight a camping olimar, lets say the olimar rushes you and puts pressure on ur hole game then what do you do i do the C4 drops and nade stripping but he just keeps on coming. just cuss snake has all this **** doesnt mean he can beat olimar snake really can beat a camping or agro olimar, i main this ***** and i know this. the match his straight up hard now easy way around it , but some people in here just play bad olimar players watch mr.x and tell me if you cn beat his olimar DSF couldnt and hes the best snake on the west coast.

 

[Hostility]

Hostility, you haven't played any good Olimars, have you?

You can't place a mine ON olimar when approaching. As far as I'm concerned, I don't even have to move unless you show me a reason otherwise. I can SH and throw pikmen all day while you plant your mines and crud.

All of Olimar's moves except fair, dair, upb, fsmash, ftilt, and dsmash will send you in the air, setting you up for combos, which Snake's heavy body can't avoid well.

As for the grenades, Olimar's pikmin "outcamp" Snake. 2 pikmin can be thrown in one SH and about 3-4 in a full hop. If you throw a grenade, Olimar can throw two pikmin and dodge the grenade. It's easy. Snake has to approach if he's playing against a decent Olimar.

Snake has to approach, so staying defensive doesn't work. Sorry.

I'm trying not to sound mean, but the stereotype about snake players is that they think they're gods, and they're just not.

First of all I didn't say C4 stick olimar, I said to have it planted on the stage somewhat close to the olimar. And yes I know olimar can throw pikmin, you can see pikmin coming can't you? they aren't that hard to dodge, and even if you get stuck with 6 pikmin, one uptilt gets all of them off you. And pikmin do not outcamp snake if you know what your are doing with grenades. Pressuring with grenades, keeping olimar in his shield and then mortar sliding into him prevents most rushdown attempts you're trying to talk about, and at the same time make camping very unwise because eventually if he just sits there the grenades will start going through the shield, snake doesn't even have to approach, you can just run away all you want since snake is so fast on the ground.

Pretty stupid of you to just assume that since I don't have trouble with this matchup that I play bad people. I've played a lot of olimar players in tournament, some of which have placed pretty well.

 

[PKboy89]

Every character can juggle snake, but its hard for olimar to get a good juggle if he's stuck in his shield with grenades and mortars and C4 all over him.

I've played a lot of olimars in tournament and never lost to one.

Umm...against every character you always use grenades, mortars and c4 everywhere...and every character shields against them...its not more effective on Olimar...

Olimar's smash and grab ranges will just beat your mortar slide as well...and if he grabs you at a low percent, he's always going to combo thanks to his down throw...the down throw upsmash pretty much works on everybody but against snake, he can combo straight into his aerials and rack up damage easily...your statement of just using grenades and c4 all around him does not help...cause as Snake, you're supposed to be doing that all the characters to begin with...

 

[Crizthakidd]

olimar is my toughest match. 0-80 in about 4 seconds if i leave pikmin on me. and if he smashes with a red pikmin or builds % with yellow im gone. its so stupid how frustrating this abttle is. white pikmin do 40% in 3 seconds. motar doest work because ull get sticked or grab and up throw is a garanteed 30% on snake. lolol i ned a oli counter

 

[DanGR]

I don't think I need to explain myself further after these couple posts were posted. Do what GS said and watch some of his videos. Particularly look at his Lake Forest tournament vids. He beat PM's awesome Snake in that tourney, but went on to lose to Futile.(darn that monster!)

 

[AfroTastic]

Well i don't really have an approach to a campy olimar.

But my secondary to me is an olimar counter, SONIC!

 

[Dr. Hyde]

First of all I didn't say C4 stick olimar ...they aren't that hard to dodge, and even if you get stuck with 6 pikmin, one uptilt gets all of them off you...

Pretty stupid of you to just assume that since I don't have trouble with this matchup that I play bad people. I've played a lot of olimar players in tournament, some of which have placed pretty well.

sorry but I have to discredit your up tilt theory. I tested all the latch areas, pretty much all of them. And if a pikmin is on snake's back or back leg they don't come off to a up tilt.

Ex. you side-stepped a mortar slide and latched attacked, you can usually hit with at least one pikmin maybe two depending on the distance.

doubt me?

Snake

Latch areas: head, front leg, back leg, and, back

If latched to the _____ will remove the pikmin.

Head: Dash attack, Neutral Air, Forward Air, Up Air, Jabs, Forward Tilt, Down Tilt, Up Tilt

Back: Jabs, Down Tilt

Front Leg: Neutral Air, Forward Air, Back Air, Up Air, Down Air, Jabs, Forward Tilt, Up Tilt

Back Leg: Neutral Air, Forward Air, Back Air, Up Air, Forward smash, Down Tilt

I think you may have just said what you did without thinking but that's fine just remember if you did that in a tournament or against me I will grab you after you whiff with the up tilt and kill you.

 

[DanGR]

sonic isn't an olimar counter, but anyways...

 

[Tyson651]

against an olimar, ur best bet of approach is to run in and careful to spot dodge or shield or roll behind him then try and get in with a dash attack or hit with a ftilt.

dont worry about being in ur sheild and him latching pikmin while ur doing it, just ignore them, cause when u go in to attack olimar, the pikmin will fall off cause u hit him off, or they're done latching. the only one u should care about is the white one, but im sure u wont be standing there for long, but rather ull go and hit olimar.

if ur too busy being annoyed or trying to get pikmin off, u're just asking for a grab combo which will do like at least 30% damage, or just a fsmash/usmash. i think ur depreciating ur damage/knockback on ur moves, and he can easily pluck more pikmin out, so dont worry about it! just hit two birds with one stone and hit him and the pikmin meanwhile during ur attacks.

ledgegaurding should consist of charged usmashes and some non charged to a quick edgehog when hes getting close to upb.

try and keep olimar above u, and dont ever stay above him. u can do sh uairs to utilt with no lag to pressure him, or shoot some usmashes.

if ur above olimar, dont use aerials to try and defend ur self while ur coming down. just airdodge.

use jabs to link into grabs, ftilt, utilt.

utilt for kills.

 

[DanGR]

against an olimar, ur best bet of approach is to run in and careful to spot dodge or shield or roll behind him then try and get in with a dash attack or hit with a ftilt.

Runnin in and shielding or SH to dodge doesn't work. The "grab box", or hitbox on the grab lasts long enough to grab your empty shield or aerial spotdodge. If you mean a RUNNING spotdodge, that might work, but Olimars are looking for an attack and will grab as soon as the spotdodge is over.

 

[ih0tfirei]

the best way to approach olimar is to nade drop in the air IMO. i noticed the best way to beat Olimar is to edgeguard like crazy. i mean literally jump off the stage(when he is coming back to the stage of course) and use a well timed Nair so u can hit him with the 4th kick. after that just edgehog for a easy kill(olimar recovery really needs that ledge to work right)

 

[BrawlBro]

I think the real question is how DONT you approach olimar with snake?

nades, nikita, snake dash, dash attack?

fail thread

 

[ih0tfirei]

I think the real question is how DONT you approach olimar with snake?

nades, nikita, snake dash, dash attack?

fail thread

actually nades do work just not nade throwing. But truthfully olimar is really hard to beat just because of his size and good juggle against snake.

 

[Killress]

Cooked Pineapples would probably be your best bet.

 

[gshock92]

Approach him with fists of fury and the will to win!

Seriously, your best bet is to try to keep him on the ground as best as possible since Olimar's aerial game is a lot better than Snake's.

 

[Puddin]

the best way to approach olimar is to nade drop in the air IMO. i noticed the best way to beat Olimar is to edgeguard like crazy. i mean literally jump off the stage(when he is coming back to the stage of course) and use a well timed Nair so u can hit him with the 4th kick. after that just edgehog for a easy kill(olimar recovery really needs that ledge to work right)

I'm pretty sure you can go to any character match up thread and see "edge guard tether recoveries" it's like a second nature to anyone without tether recoveries =\ BTW Gshock Olimar is generally more dangerous on the ground, even if he has an aerial advantage. Probably not against Snake though lol

 

[geekd]

Snake's' tilt game is what make him broken, but any olimar can easily play outside his tilt range. Even with snakes projectile versatility, olimar still wins projectile wars. Whether offensive or defensive, olimar can take this match. Olimar has several bad match-ups, but against snake the odds are generally agreed to be 60-40 in olimars favor.

 

[nevershootme]

mainly an even match... but olimar's side smash will not stop snake's f-tilt when timed right... stupid mistakes come if the olimar player side smashes into a dropped grenade...

pretty much you win if you can knock out all of his pikmin in time.

 

[Cecilanius]

*cough* http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175515

 

[Cat Fight]

Olimar is an simple matchup IMO.
Just walk over to him with a grenade in yr hand and shield - lol.

He can grab you and take the damage, or shield and wait for the explosion - where you can just hold A and jab combo OoS afterwards.

This way he can't throw Pikmin at you for damage, and has to rely on his terrible close range ground game in comparison.

Then throw in a random/ESH > U/D/Ftilt for the KO.

Plus, he's ridiculously easy to gimp...