Tonywright
Smash Rookie
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2018
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Hello everyone!
Sorry for the long post and ramble. I'll try to give a TL: DR in the end but I would advise you guys to read through the whole thing to get a better understanding to my situation!
This is my first time ever posting on this SmashBoards and I'm pretty excited to hear your thoughts on my issue! A little background about me, I'm your average PC gamer before I got into Ultimate. I've played numerous PC games competitively over the years ranging from games such as League of Legends, World of Warcraft, and CS: GO. all those games that I have played I would say that I've done fairly decent at. With league, My highest peak in ranked was Platinum I. Usually played with low Diamonds at some points. I know it's not the best rank but high platinum, low diamond is considered a fairly decent rank at the time. League of Legends taught me a lot of things such as map awareness, countering people by building against them ( i.e: Building a Hex drinker against a mage as an assassin ), decision making, punishing players on bad moves, and playing aggressive and passive at certain points of the game so that I can play off a lead if I achieved one. Now why I'm saying all of this is just so I can display that there were a lot of aspects that helped me improve in the game and I had to investigate and research a lot of those things online like watching guides and tutorials to reach that level. for example, in World of Warcraft, I've reached around 2.4k MMR in PVP which again is considered a fairly decent rating. But I was hard stuck at a low rating at one point of the previous expansions, I fixed that issue by playing a lot and noticing errors and faults from my gameplay. I've even gotten a BlizzCon champion ( Blizo: Rank one Arms warrior ) to come and help me improve which greatly fixed my gameplay drastically. and finally, in CS: GO, I've achieved Supreme Master First Class even got really close to getting global (was off one game) which is considered an impressive rank. With CS: GO, it was all about muscle memory, decision making, and crosshair placements. I'm not an FPS player by nature, I just have many interests in a variety of games. But CS: GO I must say was my peak and I've stopped due to poor anti-cheat systems and hackers.
Now, what does all of this stuff have to do with Smash Bros? Well smash is a fighting game and I've heard from many people that fighting games are hard and a struggle to get good at. I've always wanted to know how it felt to be extremely good at one. With the release of SSBU, I felt like this is a good time to start. But when I play online in quick play, Either two things happen. I get an opponent who spams smashes and specials like Ganon's wizard's Foot constantly, or I get an insanely good opponent who just 3 stock bodies me and reads everything single thing I do. I'd try to add variety to my foxtrots and try to bait him to pull off a move so I can punish. but sometimes it won't work and he would already read me and counter my moves and everything's ruined. I try to apply the learning methods of other games I've played with smash such as punishing, countering opponents with certain abilities (grabbing a shielding target or hitting someone who whiffed grab for example), changing the way I play and approach the opponent differently throughout the game. but nothing seems to work. I felt like I was facing an AI from the future who could read every single thing I've done when I faced a 2.1M GSP Daisy. Even when I mix up aerials and tilt attacks nothing works. I feel like I've hit a brick wall and all of a sudden, my Luigi's at an embarrassingly low GSP of 30k.
I'm trying a lot of characters but I do not even know what character I should start out with. People told me Cloud was an easy character to start out with to learn the fundamentals of Sword characters. But after I realized how Cloud is a hated character throughout the community I didn't want to play him. I know this is a stupid assumption to not play a character because someone else hates them but it's something I've done with countless games I've played and it's kind of a habit (Example: not playing Yasuo in LOL because the character literally gets camped because of how much of a controversial champion he is). I tried playing Ridley but I felt like the character was too big and got combo'd easily. When I played him his abilities are stale and boring in my opinion and I dropped him instantly when I noticed that. I've always loved the idea of Captain Falcon, not only because I'm a huge F-Zero fan, but also because he's that flashy character who pleases the audience in locales and tournaments, but I've heard He's a glass cannon and gets flung out the blast zones easily, from what I could understand he's a high-risk high-reward character. and when I played him I've had a hard time kill confirming people and would get people up to 250% and they still would not die. Basically, to sum this whole post up, I have a lot of problems in improving in the game and I need to know what I'm doing wrong. Achieving elite smash seems like a very distant and unrealistic dream at this point. I know I need to give the game more time so I can adapt to the playstyle of certain opponents but I just want to know how did you guys start off in any fighting game? was it hard at first like my experience? did it take you a very long time to improve in the FG you're playing? And how did you overcome your difficulties?
TL: DR - I suck at the game but I've been good at many other games and I can't seem to apply the skills I learned from the other games to a game like Smash. how do i improve?
Sorry for the long post and ramble. I'll try to give a TL: DR in the end but I would advise you guys to read through the whole thing to get a better understanding to my situation!
This is my first time ever posting on this SmashBoards and I'm pretty excited to hear your thoughts on my issue! A little background about me, I'm your average PC gamer before I got into Ultimate. I've played numerous PC games competitively over the years ranging from games such as League of Legends, World of Warcraft, and CS: GO. all those games that I have played I would say that I've done fairly decent at. With league, My highest peak in ranked was Platinum I. Usually played with low Diamonds at some points. I know it's not the best rank but high platinum, low diamond is considered a fairly decent rank at the time. League of Legends taught me a lot of things such as map awareness, countering people by building against them ( i.e: Building a Hex drinker against a mage as an assassin ), decision making, punishing players on bad moves, and playing aggressive and passive at certain points of the game so that I can play off a lead if I achieved one. Now why I'm saying all of this is just so I can display that there were a lot of aspects that helped me improve in the game and I had to investigate and research a lot of those things online like watching guides and tutorials to reach that level. for example, in World of Warcraft, I've reached around 2.4k MMR in PVP which again is considered a fairly decent rating. But I was hard stuck at a low rating at one point of the previous expansions, I fixed that issue by playing a lot and noticing errors and faults from my gameplay. I've even gotten a BlizzCon champion ( Blizo: Rank one Arms warrior ) to come and help me improve which greatly fixed my gameplay drastically. and finally, in CS: GO, I've achieved Supreme Master First Class even got really close to getting global (was off one game) which is considered an impressive rank. With CS: GO, it was all about muscle memory, decision making, and crosshair placements. I'm not an FPS player by nature, I just have many interests in a variety of games. But CS: GO I must say was my peak and I've stopped due to poor anti-cheat systems and hackers.
Now, what does all of this stuff have to do with Smash Bros? Well smash is a fighting game and I've heard from many people that fighting games are hard and a struggle to get good at. I've always wanted to know how it felt to be extremely good at one. With the release of SSBU, I felt like this is a good time to start. But when I play online in quick play, Either two things happen. I get an opponent who spams smashes and specials like Ganon's wizard's Foot constantly, or I get an insanely good opponent who just 3 stock bodies me and reads everything single thing I do. I'd try to add variety to my foxtrots and try to bait him to pull off a move so I can punish. but sometimes it won't work and he would already read me and counter my moves and everything's ruined. I try to apply the learning methods of other games I've played with smash such as punishing, countering opponents with certain abilities (grabbing a shielding target or hitting someone who whiffed grab for example), changing the way I play and approach the opponent differently throughout the game. but nothing seems to work. I felt like I was facing an AI from the future who could read every single thing I've done when I faced a 2.1M GSP Daisy. Even when I mix up aerials and tilt attacks nothing works. I feel like I've hit a brick wall and all of a sudden, my Luigi's at an embarrassingly low GSP of 30k.
I'm trying a lot of characters but I do not even know what character I should start out with. People told me Cloud was an easy character to start out with to learn the fundamentals of Sword characters. But after I realized how Cloud is a hated character throughout the community I didn't want to play him. I know this is a stupid assumption to not play a character because someone else hates them but it's something I've done with countless games I've played and it's kind of a habit (Example: not playing Yasuo in LOL because the character literally gets camped because of how much of a controversial champion he is). I tried playing Ridley but I felt like the character was too big and got combo'd easily. When I played him his abilities are stale and boring in my opinion and I dropped him instantly when I noticed that. I've always loved the idea of Captain Falcon, not only because I'm a huge F-Zero fan, but also because he's that flashy character who pleases the audience in locales and tournaments, but I've heard He's a glass cannon and gets flung out the blast zones easily, from what I could understand he's a high-risk high-reward character. and when I played him I've had a hard time kill confirming people and would get people up to 250% and they still would not die. Basically, to sum this whole post up, I have a lot of problems in improving in the game and I need to know what I'm doing wrong. Achieving elite smash seems like a very distant and unrealistic dream at this point. I know I need to give the game more time so I can adapt to the playstyle of certain opponents but I just want to know how did you guys start off in any fighting game? was it hard at first like my experience? did it take you a very long time to improve in the FG you're playing? And how did you overcome your difficulties?
TL: DR - I suck at the game but I've been good at many other games and I can't seem to apply the skills I learned from the other games to a game like Smash. how do i improve?
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