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Yeah, but I think it's even better on BF. Aside from what I wrote about in my post, the top platform is also higher on BF.
I used to waveland into people all the time the way Bizzarroflame does with the double jump wavelands. I never mess them up. But I'd get punished so much for it. So I stopped doing it. Like I rarely do it now even though I can do it really well. I guess I've made it a habit NOT to do it. But I'm now realizing that I wasn't ASDIing at all back then. Now that I'm starting to get good at incorporating ASDI into my game, I should start doing this again. Double jump waveland in at lower percents vs. characters that are susceptible to CC. If they hit you, ASDI down and punish. If they stay in their shield, grab. If they do nothing, hit them or grab. If they approach you while you're double jumping, come down with an aerial. I used to think Bizz was just ****ing around with this ****, but honestly now that I'm studying his gameplay again, it's actually a really good approach. Check out this set with him against Ken. So many examples of what you're talking about in there.
If you're close enough to them, the grab hitbox will miss. Any ideas for ways to punish the grab from a position where you'd be wavelanding at them? I was thinking maybe decreasing the distance of your waveland and then doing something after that. But I'm not sure that would work.
I learned how to do the wavelands with single hops, and double jumps. The full-hop version is less punishable because you're still conserving your aerial jump. This way you can be as mobile and as aggressive as you want, and I like to use the DJ, FH, and no-impact landing timings to mix up how I leave the platform or where I go on it to make my rhythm nearly impossible to pin down in the first few games. I'm usually most dangerous when they don't pressure platforms and my wavelands enough.
If they expect you will perfect waveland toward them, you can:
At low percents, you can tell that you ASDI'ed down because you instantly land. At higher percents, if you see a "missed tech" green flash of light, that means you ASDI'ed down, but you didn't tech. Seeing that green light means that if you do a rolling tech, you'll lose a lot of the knockback momentum, also known as an Amsah Tech.
Wait so I'll see that green flash even if I tech in place? What if I don't even leave the ground because I cc'd as well? How can I tell then?
You won't see a green flash if you tech in place of course lol. The only thing that CC does is it reduces knockback and distance traveled when you get hit by something. ASDI down is what keeps you on the ground. If you're on the ground and you're crouching and get hit by a strong move, you'll likely still see the green flash if you don't tech.
That's what I thought. Your wording made it seem like you were implying otherwise.
I'm better at regular SDI than ASDI. ASDI just feels weird to do.
Each time you input a tech (press R/L) you will tech a surface within 20 frames (1/3 of a second). After you do this though you close the opportunity to tech for 40 frames following the 20 frames I spoke of earlier for a total of 60 frames or one second. So after you input a tech you can tech within a 1/3 of a second afterward, but won't be able to for 2/3's of a second after that tech window closes. This is why I usually input techs when I am vulnerable, or there's a hole in my attack that I recognize can be exploited by an OoS option, or something.
Until they take ledge from you lol.
Ganon has plenty of invincible options to hit them before they steal the edge from you. Invincible up air > regrab comes to mind.
Ledgehop uair regrab isn't fully INV, so if they bait you, they could stomp you before you regrab.
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I side-b a lot. Not as much now, but for a long time in SFL I was overrusing it purposefully to test it thoroughly. It's good, and it can get you bodied. It gets worse as your opponent's skill level increases (doesn't work as well on top players). It's worth a try in techchase situations (cover 3 options) and great to true combo after stomp on most characters at low%. Then there's also the side-b their shield and yolo dsmash gimmick. You have to be good at detecting when they'll be surprised by it. If you know they are reading a different move and you side-b instead, there's a decent chance it'll hit. You can also get grabs with it via ASDI. Lots of moves bait brainless punish attempts and side-b is one of them. Hold down and in after you side-b and be ready to spam grab (R +A), so in case it whiffs, and they punish with aerial you can often ASDI grab them. If you see them dash and they might cross you up, switch to down and away instead.