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how can samus fight a defensive player?
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Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
Um, missiles?
It's hard for Samus to be the one to attack because of her high SH, but missiles really just set up for everything. FJ/Double-Missile forces them to approach, SHFFMC helps you approach.
Edit: You also have a decent wavesmash and CC game. The real question is "how does Samus fight an extremely aggressive player?"
It's hard for Samus to be the one to attack because of her high SH, but missiles really just set up for everything. FJ/Double-Missile forces them to approach, SHFFMC helps you approach.
Edit: You also have a decent wavesmash and CC game. The real question is "how does Samus fight an extremely aggressive player?"
alcheato
Smash Ace
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Samus' neutral air goes right through the pill spam and most of Doc's aerials and you can crouch-cancel to down-smash/down-tilt any aerials except the f-air. Missile spam when you can and jump over any missiles reflected back at you with some nairs for approaching.
pressthebutton
Smash Apprentice
with doc, i still spam missles. while theyre busy caping your missles, find an opening or get into better position. also missle cancel, and while he capes your missle, sh a dair or other aerial.
and against aggressive players, play like Hugs, moving around in your shield, and work your upB out of shield
and against aggressive players, play like Hugs, moving around in your shield, and work your upB out of shield
Asian_Flava
Smash Ace
Like PressTheButton said, just spam the crap outta a campy Doc, and when he reflects, that that chance to funk him up with any aerial.
BigRick
Smash Master
defensive Fox is hell for Samus... especially on a large stage
what can she do in that situation?
what can she do in that situation?
i can only think of missile camping or approaching very, very carefully with the sheild
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Reno>
Smash Journeyman
Asian_Flava
Smash Ace
Fox... (Fair) + DSmash + Charged Blast = You win .. dont read this Im drunk (Just kidding)
Asian_Flava
Smash Ace
Sorta, they arent all defense since I dont think Fox has that good of a defense.
heh--face one that just runs away and lasers...<_<
re: the doc comment. Doc can also jab/f-tilt your missiles, powershield them, or n/b-air them. But lol, yeah if the person just capes, use land-canceled missiles, and then just jump, shield, whatever and keep approaching.
I'm not defensive at all though, so I may not comprehend what you mean by really -defensive
re: the doc comment. Doc can also jab/f-tilt your missiles, powershield them, or n/b-air them. But lol, yeah if the person just capes, use land-canceled missiles, and then just jump, shield, whatever and keep approaching.
I'm not defensive at all though, so I may not comprehend what you mean by really -defensive
Cruise
Smash Apprentice
defensive players space themselves away from you, they usually spam projectiles at a distance while waiting for you to approach, they have shield up a lot and try to shieldgrab, a lot of rolling when you approach, etc
Mars-
Smash Champion
Missiles beat shields, as they bait them. Then you can just grab.
Capes, shines and such can be lag punished if you missile cancel.
General rule, if you can outspace a character, they can't play defencively. Marth and ganon are the only characters that can consistantly do this.
Capes, shines and such can be lag punished if you missile cancel.
General rule, if you can outspace a character, they can't play defencively. Marth and ganon are the only characters that can consistantly do this.
Flavor_Flav
Smash Journeyman
Extender Is The Answer!!!
edit: eww my other acc. got banned :S
edit: eww my other acc. got banned :S
Link226
Smash Ace
Grab alot dunny. Plus if you notice the CC don't go near them, try to grab them or space your ftilt, it would be stupid to go to someone who is ready to cc
thats true
Flavor_Flav
Smash Journeyman
I played a Fox at FD one time who lasered ONLY until I hit 90% then spammed Usmash.. It was funny as hell, and annoying.. If you approach him, he runs across the entire level and spammed lasers and then ran across the level again and repeated it was so funny. The match took like 10 minutes (ewww). But I won 
. Im just bored BTW so Im just telling a random stupid story . Peace mah doudes!!
. Im just bored BTW so Im just telling a random stupid story . Peace mah doudes!!Namiel
Smash Cadet
Slightly antagonistic since I am not the Samus in this instance, but what would you reccomend against a defensive Link? Maybe my brother would listen to some more advice not from me. Much shield grabbing/shield spin attack and projectile barriers to damage, pressure, and limit spam... and screw with bomb recovery <3
Don't worry, he understands CC all to well, but some edge guarding tips would be nice for him too, if possible.
Don't worry, he understands CC all to well, but some edge guarding tips would be nice for him too, if possible.
ssbxBacklash
Smash Apprentice
I need vids....
Namiel
Smash Cadet
I wish I had videos, but unfortunately don't have the equipment for it, nor the knowledge of such setup for a large part. Anyway, just some general tips was all I was asking for, and threw in the edgeguarding bit simply because he won't persue out far from or under the stage at all. If I can get videos some time, I will be sure to revisit such a topic though.
ssbxBacklash
Smash Apprentice
Samus against Defensive Link should be pretty even if you both are equal skill level... I dont play against Link anymore but Ill say what I can....
Seeing as the Link is very defensive he's probably gonna be throwin projectiles outta his a.ss nonstop, which I guess alota Link's do so w/e. Use your UpB when he is all up in your grill lol... He has to approach eventually and when/if you think he's gonna use spinattack outta shield, just kreep your shield out and grab him. And your bomb recovery shouldnt be that messed up because of a Link, its pretty easy to avoid them sorta since none of Link's projectiles send you back so you should be fine. If he shield grabs you, just DI up (I think, not sure where to DI really :S) so you dont get hit by him. Use many missles of your own since this sounds like its gonna be a massive projectile war. Missles and good judgement I guess... Not really good advice, I dont give very good advice unless I got visuals. Hope it helped a little bit though.
Seeing as the Link is very defensive he's probably gonna be throwin projectiles outta his a.ss nonstop, which I guess alota Link's do so w/e. Use your UpB when he is all up in your grill lol... He has to approach eventually and when/if you think he's gonna use spinattack outta shield, just kreep your shield out and grab him. And your bomb recovery shouldnt be that messed up because of a Link, its pretty easy to avoid them sorta since none of Link's projectiles send you back so you should be fine. If he shield grabs you, just DI up (I think, not sure where to DI really :S) so you dont get hit by him. Use many missles of your own since this sounds like its gonna be a massive projectile war. Missles and good judgement I guess... Not really good advice, I dont give very good advice unless I got visuals. Hope it helped a little bit though.