Holes in my game

[FinalDestination]

Hey, first post, i thought I'd ask for some expert advice. I consider myself a competitive player but i don't have the god like timing and manual dexterity needed to pull off some of the harder techs. I've watched a lot of "falco technique" videos and I think i have a pretty good handle on how to play as i can shffl decently and pillar/ shl approach.

My roommate is a long time smash/ C.Falcon player who's strength relies mainly on impeccable timing and effective punishment. I miss a tech, thunderknee to the face, end of stock. I pull off an intricate string of moves and own him..... he comes back invincible, foward b -> uair i die. Or just thunderknee to the face. Or.... he chases me to the edge, i roll towards the center and he does a f smash behind him to punish me and i die that way. I guess i'm too predictable? lately i've tried mixing this up my initial post kill evasion some more to prevent this. How do you guys avoid invincible people out for blood?

All in all, he doesn't bother with fancy techs, shffles or even l canceling. i get uaired off the stage and falcon punched or fsmashed off the stage while recovering. He's too "honorable" to edgehog (something i throw in when i think it's needed) but his timing and spacing are excellent and still can combo or kill very well.

1st hole)
Don't get me wrong, i'm still winning, but how do i break myself of letting this uber slow move (foward b) kill me? I instinctively roll backwards and get hit up at the end of the move, and then eat an immediate uair i can't seem to DI out of. How do i avoid/punish this?

2nd hole) I spend a lot of time around the egde trying for quick dair spikes to dampen his spirits. I seem to get pushed off the stage a lot mid move and end up doing an aerial while falling to my death, unable to recover. How do i stop this?

3rd hole) My roommate has no idea what it's called, but at low %'s he crouch cancels all my hits and immediately hits me back with a dtilt or a tap. I try top pop him up to pillar with my dtilt but instead either trade hits and miss or just eat it.

Also... my roommate accuses me of "practicing cheap **** all the time" and consequently "not knowing my character". Maybe i'm misled, but i see pro matches consist entirely of gimp kills and edge guarding. Or, i'll see a falco player combo someone across the map and kill while working really hard and then fall victim to a shine spike, edgehog or ken combo. Thoughts? I've heard of "playing to your opponent's level" but i'm not sure how that helps or hurts me here.

Also I have a problem with sheik mains but i never play them long enough to understand why i'm getting destroyed. I know the character has ridiculous priority and combos well but most people won't play me for more than a match or two and by that time i'm too nervous or angry to even play properly anymore. I've read the matchups but does Falco REALLY have the advantage? It seems like a well placed fair from sheik is all that separates the space animals and their stocks.


Thanks,
~Final D.

 

[clowsui]

Hey, first post, i thought I'd ask for some expert advice. I consider myself a competitive player but i don't have the god like timing and manual dexterity needed to pull off some of the harder techs. I've watched a lot of "falco technique" videos and I think i have a pretty good handle on how to play as i can shffl decently and pillar/ shl approach.

My roommate is a long time smash/ C.Falcon player who's strength relies mainly on impeccable timing and effective punishment. I miss a tech, thunderknee to the face, end of stock. I pull off an intricate string of moves and own him..... he comes back invincible, foward b -> uair i die. Or just thunderknee to the face. Or.... he chases me to the edge, i roll towards the center and he does a f smash behind him to punish me and i die that way. I guess i'm too predictable? lately i've tried mixing this up my initial post kill evasion some more to prevent this. How do you guys avoid invincible people out for blood?

lol, run away? if you're playing on platform stages just do platform mindgames to punish his mistakes once he's vulnerble any more

All in all, he doesn't bother with fancy techs, shffles or even l canceling. i get uaired off the stage and falcon punched or fsmashed off the stage while recovering. He's too "honorable" to edgehog (something i throw in when i think it's needed) but his timing and spacing are excellent and still can combo or kill very well.

if he's at the very least competitive (ie has a desire to get better) then he'll do that, yeah

1st hole)
Don't get me wrong, i'm still winning, but how do i break myself of letting this uber slow move (foward b) kill me? I instinctively roll backwards and get hit up at the end of the move, and then eat an immediate uair i can't seem to DI out of. How do i avoid/punish this?

this move is an absolute pain in the ***, just try not to roll and just do some teching mindgames. the uair will be unavoidable until you get to higher percentages, just try to recover as quickly as possible and beat him up

2nd hole) I spend a lot of time around the egde trying for quick dair spikes to dampen his spirits. I seem to get pushed off the stage a lot mid move and end up doing an aerial while falling to my death, unable to recover. How do i stop this?

don't hang around the edge so much. against a falcon that's an easy knee opportunity...quick spikes will not dampen his spirits if he knows what you're up to. just focus on getting him to the edge through a method that's not luring; the knee is always the answer to that bullsh*t.

3rd hole) My roommate has no idea what it's called, but at low %'s he crouch cancels all my hits and immediately hits me back with a dtilt or a tap. I try top pop him up to pillar with my dtilt but instead either trade hits and miss or just eat it.

pillar cannot be done with dtilt nor can it really be executed after dtilt. pillar = shield pressure, up-down = shine to dair, get it right. not trying to be mean but everyone screws that up. anyways, counter the crouch cancel by doing jump in - quick jc'd shine - punish dtilt. either that or after eating a dtilt, if you feel that you'll recover to make a move in the pop up, nair.

Also... my roommate accuses me of "practicing cheap **** all the time" and consequently "not knowing my character". Maybe i'm misled, but i see pro matches consist entirely of gimp kills and edge guarding. Or, i'll see a falco player combo someone across the map and kill while working really hard and then fall victim to a shine spike, edgehog or ken combo. Thoughts? I've heard of "playing to your opponent's level" but i'm not sure how that helps or hurts me here.

lol playing to your opponent's level = sandbagging. you're not doing cheap **** because falco is falco; he is all dair and shine and combos. everyone falls to cheap ****, it's just how much **** you're willing to take before you figure out a way to hit back. just tell him to stfu and keep playing because sooner or later he'll have to adapt to your **** in order to play well enough.

Also I have a problem with sheik mains but i never play them long enough to understand why i'm getting destroyed. I know the character has ridiculous priority and combos well but most people won't play me for more than a match or two and by that time i'm too nervous or angry to even play properly anymore. I've read the matchups but does Falco REALLY have the advantage? It seems like a well placed fair from sheik is all that separates the space animals and their stocks.

arrrrgh shiek. just watch a lot of vids, make sure to keep a fair distance away and make sure you're not as predictable; sheik punishes predictability. don't always immediately go after them after the shine? i dunno. fair is a killer, so is dsmash. make sure to laser a lot, actually. updowns, nairs, bairs work well.

Thanks,
~Final D.

 

[tofucake]

The answer to this thread is:
A. Crouch Cancel
1. Laser camp

 

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Don't roll away from Falcon when he spams his aerials (d-air specifically)

That's exactly what he wants you to do. It leaves you vulnerable, and a stray d-air will hit you, setting you up for a combo.

 

[FinalDestination]

Can you crouch cancel a forward b from falcon? >_>
Also, it's hard as hell to laser camp someone who comes flying across the stage in half a second to thunderknee you.

Seems like i die a lot at low %'s vs falcon because i'm fsmashed, uaired or thunderkneed close to the ledge. if i live past 100% it's a miracle. I don't get hit much but when i miss a tech or roll at the wrong time i really eat it hard.

Also, I can wave dash with a most characters but i seem to be screwing up falco's..... i read you have to wait a couple frames? am i trying to dodge too soon and missing it completely?

Thanks for all you responses, esp clowsui as you seem to put a lot of thought into it. i'm glad i'm not the only one having trouble with falcon's foward b.

~Final D

 

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Your lasers should stop him in his tracks haha. Falcon's not really supposed to be able to just jump out and knee you. A simple jab might be able to stop him in his tracks (NOTE: I have never tried this. I am simply speculating)

 

[lolomgwtfbbq]

tl;dr
Only read up to the foward b part. Just keep your shield up and shield grab him or maybe try rolling foward when he comes near you.

 

[Ripple]

fill those holes with some lasers

 

[Gnes]

Invincible opponents.....only thing u can do is run....
1st hole-shield grab or dodge to a grab/ shine combo
2nd hole-hangin around the edge...why dont u just hit yourself with a knee....most players know of falcos easy spiking ability so theyll expect u tryin to spike them....especially if u hangout near the edge
3rd hole- when he crouch cancels....shine combos....shine to dair or whatever u like after the shine he should be open.....

 

[mikechi]

if your dying at low percentages like that it could mean your not DIng correctly or your DIs are off cuz an up smash from falcon shouldnt kill you at low percentages or a forward smash spot dodging is important also.
if your going to attempt a combo you should think about all the things he could do to counter them and you should try and work your way out of sticky situations. one thing you could do if your going at him with a shffled dair to a shine is you could DI behind him so he cant attack you and start your combo from there

 

[captainlukey]

find it in yourself man... only u know exactly wats goin on here, and you already havb3e a handle on wat u should be learning...
then just learn it, fight him more, but think about it more also... use the knowledge youve uncovered so far to get him...
even someone who knows no adv tech can still destroy adv techers... its just harder and you have to have more of an idea and strategy especailly if he is moving faster thatn you already...
does this even make sense...?
.... i should lay of the drugs me thinks...