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Help with Neutral B?

Aqueus

Smash Cadet
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Mar 29, 2008
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I find myself never using what I consider to be a terrible move. It's hard to aim, doesn't help kill my opponents until extremely high percents, and leaves me way too vulnerable. Is there any hope for this woefully underwhelming attack?

I'm looking for videos, combos, or any trick that can be used in conjunction or reliant on the PK Freeze.
 

ChaosTheoryX

Smash Lord
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Jul 28, 2008
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for the mot part in singles I only use pk reeze at the very beginning of the match and very rarely if they are off the stage. In teams I use this quite often when the other team is trying to gain on my partner or if he has them caught in one of his attacks, and most of the time if they are at a lo enough percentage I can catch them in a chain of about 3-5 pk freeze one after another by timing it to where i pk freeze them RIGHT after they release from the previous one, beause most of the time thy are trying their hardest to get out of the freeze they are in they forget to watch out for anothe incoming attack.
 

Dxt XXII

Smash Journeyman
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Mostly, it's just good for mindgames or bait. Pk freeze and while the opponent is thinking "omg he's open!" release and earn them a free stick to the face. Only really works once, though.
 

ParanoidDrone

Smash Master
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I heard that if you manage to freeze, say, a Dedede offstage at low percents, his weight will make him fall to his KO before they unfreeze themselves. Your mileage may vary.

(Of course, this ignores the difficulty of getting Dedede offstage completely.)
 

Levitas

the moon
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The only effective PK freeze edgeguard is using it to stagespike an opponent below the edge.

PK freeze is Lucas's least useful special.
 

Trozz

Smash Ace
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Mar 11, 2008
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Canada, BC
Freeze would be nice if it didn't cause you to enter the fall-special state. Or if it could be canceled faster.

PK Blizzard is riduckulous.
 

Trozz

Smash Ace
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There was a time I lost matches (or at least stock) when freeze came out instead. There was also a time I thought sh b-air was a viable approach to mk.
x_X
 

Natch

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When they're edge grabbing-and ledge invincibility has run out-and you're on the other side of the stage, throw out a PK Freeze. Some players will instinctively jump up to avoid it hitting them. Consequently, they will jump right into the path of the PK Freeze. This doesn't work against all players, but I've pulled this off enough times to know it's a viable tactic.

PK Freeze is a pressure move more than anything else. It makes the opponent feel like you're right in their face even when you two are on oppisite sides of the stage. It's this sort of pressure that makes opponents play poorly.

Also, it makes for a good spacing game too. When you knock them away with a Jab Combo, fire off a PK Freeze if it sends them far enough away. Sure, they may airdodge or shield it, but most players won't be able to think about approaching because-holy-****-there's-a-giant-snowflake-coming-at-me-I-must-avoid-it.

You will rarely hit with PK Freeze. At most, I'll land it twice per match, usually once. But it's not supposed to hit. If used smartly, you should never be punished out of a PK Freeze.

Well, hope that helps your PKFreeze game a bit. It's a really underrated move, but I myself use it quite a bit. It almost always misses, yes, but I'm almost never punished when I use it, because I use it in "safe" situations.
 

DemonicTrilogy

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That's for me to know
Only time I use it is to off-stage guard without me being off stage cause I'm having this giant snowflake threatening to explode on my opponent. If it hits, I rush to do a D air (Yes, a dair. I have so much trouble landing a bair spike that it is funny to the guarded person watching me try to land one on you...) and watch as the ice cube drops like a rock. If it doesn't hit, I just continue guarding on-stage.
 

luvs2pluck

Smash Apprentice
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Sep 7, 2008
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College of William and Mary, VA
It can be used successfully once as a bait move. Just start the freeze in the opposite direction of the opponent and they'll usually assume you screwed up and rush in for a grab or smash. then you just curl the freeze behind yourself and BAM frozen (this only works if they don't know you can pull it around behind yourself, which most people don't)
 
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