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HELP with Fighting Peach!!!!

Prince Of Fire

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I F***** hate fighting Peach soooo much! How the heck you get around her friggin turnip game? It pisses me off so much and it is hard for me to get my f air going against peach....should it be this difficult or am I making this out to be much harder than it really is? One of my friends uses peach and everytime i play him....he pretty much picks peach...i am very good with marth in any other matchup pretty much but HATE peach!

Tips? Hints? Strategies? I HATE that B!!!!
 

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abuse her when pulling out turips, just wait as she throughs them, jab them as they come, easy, and she will get anoyed and atack, then you abuse her, once you get a grab, screw her over, watch good marths fight peach, learn from there tactics for farther information.
 

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Keep her in the air where she can't pull turnips. You can counter the turnips too and hit her with the swipe if you're close enough, otherwise, try nairs.
 

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one question is these peach your playing a good peach my friend or novice if he is novice try the grab combos and for the tulips just press a when there comming to you to clank them out or try to grab them thats all.Am a marht player myself but I get around peaches just take it slow and watever you do don't run towards them just do as I told you my friend
 

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Keep her in the air where she can't pull turnips. You can counter the turnips too and hit her with the swipe if you're close enough, otherwise, try nairs.
I'm sorry but i must point this out for DUMB advise. NEVER COUNTER HER TURNIPS! and peach is good in the air, just ignor this guys advise, not to be rude but this is only good vsing noobs.
 

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AIDS is correct, unless peach is being comboed in air, be very warily of her float cancels.

Best aspect of your game against peach is your grabs due to you being able to trick her di, as if you are trying f-thrw to f-smashes, shes going to di for the f-throw and then you back-throw instead, you set her up for tippers and whatnot, just focus on getting her di in check since you better kill her before she gets too high of a damage, then she becomes a pain.

F-airs combo well of course and the d-air is easy to land on her long as you know when to follow through and when to back off.
 

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lol..float canceling is when she hits the ground during her float and cancels into a move..mostly a d-smash or slap to grab, she can only do that when she is close to the ground of course..you have it backwards.

Against her air game, your ground game is great due to up-tilts and with good spacing, you can take her air game out high..its just with the added aspect of float cancels, she can literally barrage you with attacks.
 

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yeah....i knew about the float cancels....i just said it wrong, my bad man. Sometimes with all terms i get mixed up and out of place at times. Float cancels is the stance where she floats close to the ground and has access to her air attacks but with NO defense...im not THAT nooby haha
 

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Well, thats ironic because thats her BEST defense.

She does any aerial she wants and cancels it into a ground move.

Thats a darn good defense to me since the best defense is an offense that ***** you.
 

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All of Peach's aerials have good priority but are beaten by the range of Marth's fair. Just learn to space it properly. Peach also has trouble making it back to the ground if you were the one who got her up in the air in the first place. Just utilt if she tries to land near you and tipped fair if she tries to get away. If Peach is on the ground, don't miss or you'll be punished with a grab or dsmash. Dashdance a little to try to get an opportunity for approach (like when she tries to pull a turnip). If you get grabbed, you probably won't get uthrown. Her fthrow is relatively quick, but her others are slow, so if you don't have particularly good reflexes, DI expecting an fthrow until you see what it really is. DI Peach's dthrow behind her because otherwise you'll pop straight up, which sets up into a nair or sometimes even a usmash. If you're facing a campy Peach using lots of turnips, try to swat the turnips away with fairs. Don't do this to all of them or else they'll see it coming and just hit you with an aerial during the lag after the fair. If you're against a slightly aggressive Peach who isn't very familiar with the Marth matchup, just keep spacing away with fairs, and if any of them hit go for a combo before she makes it back to the ground.

The game against Peach is all about taking full advantage of Marth's range! Peach can't get close to Marth if he doesn't make any mistakes, but she can deal a ton of damage the moment Marth does.
 

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Thanks Ankoku for the detailed description man...My opponent is very defensive with his peach and waits for me to make my moves...sometimes i dashdance just a little tooo much with him and he just hits me before i think of what i am doing :-( but i think im just thinking about it too much and just need to use my fairs a lot more. Last night I just could not get my fsmash going at all....i did spam it quite a lot though and i think was in a realm of bad habit. I just do not like the Marth-peach matchup. I dont mind facing her if i am shiek, falco, or fox because i have a projectile to work with and i have a reflector and with shiek....high speed. Also, i like to use falcon as well and my knees fly RIGHT through her so i dont have to worry about shield grabs...
 

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Countering is a bad idea, so shut up already.

Not worth the risk when there are better options, and unless you happen to be ken or m2king, you arent getting away with using it.
 

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I agree with thebluedeath1000 here, countering a turnip is not only doing nothing to help you, but at times the turnip will rebound and even hit you anyway. Very bad thing if the turnip you were trying to swat away with your Counter was a stitchface.
 

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I would use down b when they come at you then keep her in the air as long as you can and repeat.
 

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the counter you mean that mopve is so predictable I won't recommend that my friend alsojust if you have the space wd back and avoid her while she is triying to hit you with her lag punish her thats all
 

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i just wanted to say that watching pros play i notice that they dashdance a lot less in the matchup than normal for a marth..i think overall you should play an air game against peach ( i say this when this is one of my two worst matchups with marth:\ but i've always played a ground game so that's probably part of the problem)

anyways peach's dashattack is so good that trying to camp grabs/dtilt or whatever is probably a bad idea..i would space fairs and either wd back or shieldgrab..but mostly take a campy aerial position against her..

if you expect the peach to dash attack you as you move away i'm guessing the best thing to do is shield then dair out of shield? spotdodge won't work cause the dash attack hangs too much?

if you miss a fair and expect an approach as you land, should you jab or uptilt afterwards? an uptilt as a wall doesn't seem to combo that well since you aren't able to aim it as well as during a combo, so i was thinking maybe i should jab more in teh matchup?

dtilt seems dangerous as dashattack tends to beat it i think?

anyways i'm asking far more questions than answers, but hopefully someone will elaborate further
 

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I really hate when I just finish discussing something and then some ******* come in and suggests the thing I said was the wrong thing to do.

Just a thought, but reading may help quinn95

If I miss an fair and they are right on me, I will usually wavedash back to keep things safe but every once in awhile things like the jab (neutral A) will be a neat thing to throw out to keep them guessing, but I try to play it safe against peach for the most part..but I have grabbed after whiffed f-airs just as a panic thing due to them being too close for me to do much else..seems stupid but it does catch them offguard long as you don't overdo it.

Everything in moderation, like your alcohol.

Also, if by some odd chance you know the peach is going to dash attack, I'd simply start to dash away, wavedash and punish her *** with an f-smash..the initial dash startup distance and wavedash usually put me well enough away from her to pop her one but its really just up to you, the shield to dair should work fine.
 
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WD around really fast and make her nervous. When she does an attack, fsmash her attack cause you'll win. Do this ~ 8 times per stock, for all 4 stocks and you win.
 

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Actually, I prefer playing against Sheiks to playing against Marths.
 
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sheik is more difficult than marth is to play well at top level due to crouch grabbing and crouch shines.
 

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I just wanted to point out that marth vs sheik is not a ok battle sheik has the upper hand here trust me man even ken said it when i asked him in a tornument is jsut plain bull****
 

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I would use down b when they come at you then keep her in the air as long as you can and repeat.
one question....ARE YOU ********? look back on my last post on this thread and read how we said peach above you is bad. and counter is not a good idea at all!

Rule #1 if you are new, and not good at the game, do not give advice!
 

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All I can say is continue to practice you will get better overtime.
wow, i never would have guessed that lol, such a usefull post!:laugh:

anyway after what you have seen do you still have questions or are you confused? Please be sure not to take advise from people who state somthing bad, you must learn who gives good, and who gives bad advice on these threads Prince Of Fire.
 
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I just wanted to point out that marth vs sheik is not a ok battle sheik has the upper hand here trust me man even ken said it when i asked him in a tornument is jsut plain bull****
ken has historically said that ganon and roy counter marth as well. ken is a cool guy but....yeah, come on. roy doesn't counter anyone.
 

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and they did perhaps at the time? shrugs..the game has changed a lot...falco is no longer even with marth in my opinion..maybe back before the marth's adapted

i still dont see how roy could ever have been at an adv though..

i appreciate the advice blue..short as it was...sigh i just need to have more than 4 matches of play against actual skilled peaches...it's kinda like how back in teh day i got owned by jiggs and now my roommate mains him and i find it the easiest matchup ever:\..but i can't get him to like peach..he plays peach once in a while when he's bored
 

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I don't have a sandbox at all. Why are you being so mean? :(
 

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I live a very sad lonely life with very few pleasurable aspects so I have to pick on others to raise my self esteem and give myself joy because I'm so pathetic.
 

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Yeah AIDS (I like your username by the way) I am beginning to associate GOOD from BAD advice as I continue to post more and more on the forums. When Im up at school and not at home...after class i watch a good 2-3 pro videos a day and am beginning to get a better grip at what i should be doing against each character. I used to FEAR the falco and Fox matchup but a simple upthrow chain with good timing and an Utilt to follow it up..along with a good chase game can take care of that...

So what ive gathered here is that my best bet is working off of his f air and throws? I can work my combos from their most likely...

umm how do i get that Fair to Dair spike?? Do i hit the fair with a sweet spot hit? what percentage? etc?
 

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Ken Combo only connects if the Peach is DIing toward you. The setup is pretty easy to see, because she'll pop slightly up and slightly away from you, just the right distance for a tippered dair.
 
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