help my marth?

[MVPaintballer]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5629913551731353303&hl=en

flames appreciated.

 

[Byped]

get a better ringtone........

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

Don't play while on the phone. Get a better video recorder. Don't play when you're sick. Play someone good. Don't suck.

Your marth was so slow, it needs more speed. Any good player would have completely overwhelmed you. Don't fsmash so much, use more dtilt.

Try to play better people. Go to some tournaments or something. Figure out why you got owned and practice to stop it.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

lol very vague advice super smasher...but true

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

lol very vague advice super smasher...but true

lol with the "Flames appreciated" and my mood at the time, I felt like giving a Ken-like response. I couldn't make my grammar as poor as Ken's, but it was otherwise pretty similar I think.

Oh, and MVPaintballer you need more mindgames. =)

I might give more detailed and specific advise tomorrow.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Uhhh...UMBC did you watch his match? He actually didn't get owned at all. I will admit...The sheik didn't seem too good...but good enough so that this was a convincing victory for Marth. Good job dude. I though you did real well. And about using Dtilts instead of Fsmashing...The sheik didn't know how to WD out of shield to punish the Fsmash, so he was ok Fsmashing. I dont think his Fsmash got punished at all when he missed. For the most part, they were pretty accurate too. Great use of utilt also, I have trouble getting that off on sheik's. A few tips though...not to say that I would have done any better...

1. L cancel more. You have it down pretty well, but for example when you utilted and uaird sheik and you landed on the platform, if you fast falled the uair and L cancelled you could have utilted again, or even fsmashed.

2.It's hard grabbing sheik, it really is. But I guess just try to make your grabs more accurate. I understand how hard it is...but I played with a much better sheik player last night, and everytime I missed a grab, it ended with +30% for me.

3.Some of your attacks were kinda predictable, but they didn't get punished so it was ok. Just be trickier I guess. Harder said than done, but it was ok for you since you didnt get punished for missing.

4.That Sheik was kind of downsmash spammy. I think after the first 2 Dsmashes, you should have caught on and started looking out for it and punishing it. But it didn't factor into the match too much.

Against Sheik, it all boils down to not making a mistake. If you dont make a mistake, you wont have +30% damage on you. Also, if you dont make a mistake, you won't waste opportunities. You always want to make the most out of opportunities against Sheik. I know you probably understand this, but I guess I'd just reemphasize it for myself lol.

I actually like your style of Marth a lot...Particularly what you do after a grab. You remain calm and follow where your opponent rolls/techs very well. I thought it was very impressive when you grabbed sheik and threw her, and she rolled into you and you dolphin slashed for the kill. It didnt just look flashy, but it was smart. You could have Fsmashed like most ppl, but it wouldnt have been anywhere near a tipper, and she would have survived. You could have grabbed like others, but that wouldnt have killed. Tricky kills like that are hard to get, but for Marth extremely necessary. At high percentages Marth can't kill by ending a combo, so weird kills are the way to kill ppl. I liked it a lot.

And WHY is everyone using black Marth now? Black Marth is mine! lol

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

Uhhh...UMBC did you watch his match? He actually didn't get owned at all. I will admit...The sheik didn't seem too good...but good enough so that this was a convincing victory for Marth. Good job dude. I though you did real well. And about using Dtilts instead of Fsmashing...The sheik didn't know how to WD out of shield to punish the Fsmash, so he was ok Fsmashing. I dont think his Fsmash got punished at all when he missed. For the most part, they were pretty accurate too. Great use of utilt also, I have trouble getting that off on sheik's. A few tips though...not to say that I would have done any better...

I actually like your style of Marth a lot...Particularly what you do after a grab. You remain calm and follow where your opponent rolls/techs very well. I thought it was very impressive when you grabbed sheik and threw her, and she rolled into you and you dolphin slashed for the kill. It didnt just look flashy, but it was smart. You could have Fsmashed like most ppl, but it wouldnt have been anywhere near a tipper, and she would have survived. You could have grabbed like others, but that wouldnt have killed. Tricky kills like that are hard to get, but for Marth extremely necessary. At high percentages Marth can't kill by ending a combo, so weird kills are the way to kill ppl. I liked it a lot.

I watched his match twice. The sheik is very bad; even my sheik is way better. I can't see how anyone can get good when playing opponents at that low of a level. He will develop lots of bad habits like fsmashing all the time.

I don't like his style of marth because it is not aggressive enough. He was ahead and still played defensively. Azen has a very defensive marth, but if he takes the lead he'll start attacking. Marth has to be on his toes against any good sheik.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Alright, so I went back and watched the vid again. I personally dont think he Fsmashed too much, and I thought for the most part he went about it intelligently. UMBC you say he Fsmashes too much. After watching the vid again...I'd have to lean toward my first opinion. I can see why you think he Fsmashes so much, but let's take a look at all of his fsmashes.

1. After a dthrow, he waited for sheik to roll and he hit her with almost a perfect tipper.
2. As sheik was Fsmashing, and Marth was in perfect range. This one resulted in a kill.
3. To edgeguard. Again almost another perfect tipper. Another kill.
4. He Fsmashed Sheik when she was on a platform. It got shielded, but he was out of range for a u tilt and since sheik was on a platform there was no punishment for missing the fsmash.
5. Shiek shielded and he fsmashed. I think he was trying to guess when Sheik was gonna drop her shield. Since it was almost perfect range, there was no punishment.

So the first 3 hit perfectly, but the next 2 got shielded. Although the Fsmashes didn't connect, there was no punishment due to perfect spacing. Let's continue.

6.After Marth landed from an aerial, he fsmashed. It got shielded, and because the spacing wasn't perfect, shiek retaliated with a dash attack, which ended up with Marth being edgeguarded for about 20-30 seconds, and resulted in Marth suiciding AKA loss of 1 stock.
7.Another Fsmash came when Marth was invincible, and although it didn't connect it ended up with a grab for Marth.
8.Whiffed an Fsmash after a dthrow. I think he tried to guess which way shiek would roll, and he guessed wrong. He should have waited and reacted instead of guessing. No punishment though.
9.After Sheik got up, perfect tipper into kill.
10.He Fsmashed to edgeguard, but he missed. It's ok though, cuz it ended up with a grab to throw Sheik off the edge.

So the Fsmashes did get a little inaccurate, but most of them didn't get punished. I think the fsmashes were ok for this battle, I would even say good. But I do see where your coming from UMBC. Your not gonna want to Fsmash so much against a better opponent, becuase you will get punished. But for this match most of the Fsmashes were spaced well, so he didnt have much to worry about. But still, you should listen to UMBC...Fsmashing can become a bad habit. Just be careful with them against better opponents.

 

[MVPaintballer]

thats for the help guys! I can understand where both of you are coming from. UMBC im waiting for taht detailed version xD. I dont mind really because I'm relatively new at taking this seriously. Yea I admit the sheik blows, im disappointed in myself

 

[Emblem Lord]

Uhhhhhhh. There is no such thing as perfectly spacing an f-smash to avoid punishment after it's shielded. If someone fails to punish a shielded f-smash it wasn't because of Marth's spacing, it's due to thier own lack of ability. Wavedash from shield is all that's needed to get in Marth's face after a shielded f-smash.

 

[FrostByte]

I'm pretty sure the tipper'd Fsmash has more shield stun and knockback when it hits a shield.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Indeed it does. But it's still not safe.

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

At the beginning you could have avoided the needle by dropping through the platform. It's called an "Isai Platform Drop", and you do it by smashing the control stick down and in toward the direction marth is facing.

Your approach is very in-effective vs sheik, and your spacing was poor. There have been some good threads recently on approaching - read those.

Be more aggressive, but don't be stupid about it. Again, read up on approaching with marth.

If sheik is going to grab you, then dash dance out then back in to grab her. Spot dodge isn't good to use because it is easily punished. If she is going to dash attack, then shield. The trick is figure out what sheik will do.

You have the right idea with keeping sheik in the air.

1:24 is a perfect example of messed up spacing. You don't want to go over or through your opponent.

2:26 is an example of poor DI. Sheik should never be able to follow up with an aerial after an ftilt. You should always DI away.

2:35 - I'm guessing you messed up here?

2:47 - example of when you should NOT fsmash. Any decent sheik would punish you for that.

2:52 - example of when you should NOT fsmash. Even this sheik found a way to punish you since you didn't even hit its shield.

3:23 - example of why you should NOT fsmash. Tech chase with a grab if necessary.

You need more experience. Learn to react based on what your opponent is doing. You just did whatever throughout the match and won because it was a bad sheik. Also, maybe you shouldn't fsmash so much? =)

 

[JesiahTEG]

Uhhhhhhh. There is no such thing as perfectly spacing an f-smash to avoid punishment after it's shielded. If someone fails to punish a shielded f-smash it wasn't because of Marth's spacing, it's due to thier own lack of ability. Wavedash from shield is all that's needed to get in Marth's face after a shielded f-smash.

Indeed, EL. But, as earlier stated...

The sheik didn't know how to WD out of shield to punish the Fsmash, so he was ok Fsmashing.

That's why I said he did good for this match, but to listen to EL's advice, because a better opponent would punish it.