Help my Falco....and I guess fox too

[StriCNYN3]

I've been getting a lot worse with my Falco ever since I've finished my combo vid, and I don't know what I'm doing in order for me to prevent it. Also, I just started using fox a little more, and I know I need a lot of stuff to work on. HALP
Falco:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hth2S3E2qsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2SQao6q7H8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyApcyMZn5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9lgzHo0muw

Fox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3lcTsUpf1A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J93U5Iz70ls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY01GstgOq8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GDDfjmGRTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqhlQjLl7EM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3abn2ZvrGU

It'd be great for someone to help me this time instead of ignoring my cry for help this time

 

[FoxLisk]

well i'm too tired to have much useful to say, but instead of critique i'd just like to mention that in the first video, your 3rd stock (from like 1:48 - 2:09) was completely awesome.

 

[StriCNYN3]

Sooo....Any advice from anyone?

 

[G.I._JOE]

keep spacing in mind & do not short hop double laser from the edge when they are on the platform above you

 

[prog]

Sooo....Any advice from anyone?

message me on aim, we'll discuss.

 

[chak]

i'm not a pro or anything but here's my advice for you. take everything with a grain of salt or don't even listen to me if you don't think it's good. i also only watched the falco vids so this is all falco advice.

the only thing that i'm 100% confident in telling you is to switch up your methods of coming back from the ledge. in all the videos you always came up with a LHDL. you did this every single time with one exception. while this is a nice way to recover, you'd do it even when your opponent was right on top of you. usually if they can land a hit as you're coming up, its almost like a guaranteed kill since you already used your second jump.

everything from here on is just my opinion

you're always trying to start off your combos with a shine. some times you'd approach with a dair or a nair or lasers, but most of the time you would just try to get as close to your opponent as possible and shine them and combo from there. but if you're playing someone who can space really well or just out ranges you (jiggs, sheik, marth, etc) its going to be really hard to get that shine off. so i'd say work on approaching with nair, dair (you could do this pretty well when i saw it), lasers, etc and try to space it well.
tying into that, work on your laser game. i only ever saw SHL's, try doing the instant double jump fastfall double laser thing. its really good for controlling space and approaches and just switches things up.
another thing is you'd utilt their shield a lot. while utilt is an awesome move (nice utilt x7 combo XD) i don't really agree with how you use it? i think it'd be better to get a grab or something. i only ever saw you grab a few times.
and the last thing is edgeguarding. personally i like to edgeguard pretty aggressively, but a lot of the times i think you'd just stand at the edge and dsmash or something. so be creative with your edgeguards! like your walljump to spike. that was nice.

so to sum it all up, basically throw more variety into your playstyle. i just saw you doing the same thing the entire time and it might not work against other playstyles so in essence learn mindgames! hope that helps.

 

[StriCNYN3]

Thanks for the advice G.I. Joe and Chak. Yeah I noticed that I tend to repeat myself with the same approach like Dair and always recover with Double lasers, especially recently, even when I don't try to. I'm also becoming a lot more inconsistent with my tech skill than I ever was, and I don't know how to get over this.

I practice against a lot of lvl 9's and do well with mix ups and and become more fluid the longer I play, but as soon as I play anyone else, even my little bro, all that training just goes straight out the window, and I repeat myself and stumble on the simplest stuff. I guess I'm just always gonna be in this never ending slump

 

[Kason Birdman]

yeah i noticed the double lazer recovery. i also find myself doing this at the wronge times too. if someone is close enough when you do this they can easily get a quick gimp because you already used your second jump and falco's upb is poop. i also noticed that you kept messing up your shines during sheild pressure and combos (accidently turning around in them when trying to waveshine or just canceling later than normal) could be because you have been playing fox more lately, but i dono.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

yo, just keep playing through it. everyone has rough patches, you just gotta reassure yourself that you can get past it and don't let it get you down.



and remember you gotta feel falco, dawg.

feel that bird. be the bird.

falco can flyyyyyy.

 

[LLDL]

you have to wash the falco, you have to date the falco, you have to BE the falco.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

lol this game has a ****ing bird in it.

so ****.

 

[Kason Birdman]

702 and chain-ace know what they are talking about.

 

[G.I._JOE]

Thanks for the advice G.I. Joe and Chak. Yeah I noticed that I tend to repeat myself with the same approach like Dair and always recover with Double lasers, especially recently, even when I don't try to. I'm also becoming a lot more inconsistent with my tech skill than I ever was, and I don't know how to get over this.

I practice against a lot of lvl 9's and do well with mix ups and and become more fluid the longer I play, but as soon as I play anyone else, even my little bro, all that training just goes straight out the window, and I repeat myself and stumble on the simplest stuff. I guess I'm just always gonna be in this never ending slump

hey I suggest lvl 4-5 cpu's they dont powershield everything and have excellent DI I find that comboing peach/falcon/ganondorf/marth really improved my game cuz they DI your shine like humans would(besides that but even if they DI'd perfectly they would still get comboed lol) but i would never fight falco/fox cpu anymore because their DI is so different from a human falco/fox player(human falco/fox players are harder to combo because DI affects them so much)

 

[bossa nova ♪]

but i would never fight falco/fox cpu anymore because their DI is so different from a human falco/fox player(human falco/fox players are harder to combo because DI affects them so much)

i do not agree.

esp on platform stages like yoshi's, human and cpu di isn't that much different. on a stage like FD, ya the cpu's have a pattern that humans don't have, but 90% of the time you shine someone the DI is not going to be perfect, so it comes down to reaction.

when human di is really good, you gotta basically guess right which way to WD out of shine or you won't get the combo, depending on the stage and situation.

 

[FoxLisk]

always WD towards the side of the shine you hit them with. if you hit a falco with the left side of your shine, wavedash left. if they DI left this is the only way to get to them in time (with another shine or an aerial depending on %). if they don't DI you're right under them and life is good. if they DI right you have time to run right and catch them.

If you hit someone with the left side of your shine and they DI full right, they go just about as far as if you had hit them with the right side and they had not DI'd at all.

when platforms come in the game it's a little bit more difficult in my experience, but that might be my own lack of expertise. i don't know the technicalities.

 

[G.I._JOE]

i do not agree.

esp on platform stages like yoshi's, human and cpu di isn't that much different. on a stage like FD, ya the cpu's have a pattern that humans don't have, but 90% of the time you shine someone the DI is not going to be perfect, so it comes down to reaction.

when human di is really good, you gotta basically guess right which way to WD out of shine or you won't get the combo, depending on the stage and situation.

i play with people with really good di/smash di so its the reason why i think it affects spacies so much but i guess i agree with you once i get a waveshineland combo they are usually in a utilt or downair range most of the time and on FD i can basically do the same combos that i did on a cpu against a human player lol like dair waveshine>dair waveshine>nair>fsmash lol

 

[StriCNYN3]

Thanks guys, I've done everything you guys told me and I see a lot of improvements going on now. I have new vids coming up against me and Chain-Ace, if you care to see me how much I improved.

 

[G.I._JOE]

bring it on yo

 

[StriCNYN3]

Alright, Chain-Ace just finally put up some matches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm75-zpX34c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMBS1Dt9oN0&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2SckfN5R7E&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK0wTcK8wls&feature=channel

 

[omnibus2]

you have to wash the falco, you have to date the falco, you have to BE the falco.

Don't forget, you have to LICK THE FALCO

 

[Deathgazer]

In general:
- Try to remember to do the dair nearer to the ground so you can get the shine out quicker
- Shield grabbing is a good option, you could easily link it to a Uthrow to bair or something.
- Try not to double laser from edge when theyre quite close to the edge, depending on the situation, a well timed dair/ waveland on the upper platform is a good way to escape.
- Correct me if im wrong but i think if you power sheild their attacks, you can shine OOS a bit quicker than usual
- If the opponent is above you there is a high chance they will come down with an aerial so sometimes its better to wait for them to land and react to what they do.
- When theyre lying on the floor, dont always run up to them with an attack. You have to provoke a reaction from them and to do this you have to make an initial reaction which theyl react to.
things like running up to them will force them to roll or get up and attack, then you can react to that bearing in mind of stage awareness and covering options.