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help critique my falco plz(new vids)

killer tofu

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Mx7f

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I'm definitely not the one who should be giving advice (not exactly a tourney veteran), and I only saw the marth match but the three things i noticed were a few lasers went flying over marths head when he was dashing at you, so you could work on keeping your SHL lower; whenever you SHL->SHL->aerial or shine, he always dodged the aerial or shine, so maybe SHL->SHL->retreating SHL or empty shorthop waveland to mix it up; and withe 6:54 left in the match you could have ran off the edge and DJ daired him to death or tried to lightshield edgehog.

Hopefully the vids will work for someone better at smash than me.
 

Falco&Victory

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How about I BS my way through the adive?

Work on your l-cancels more, so as to not to miss any. Get your SHLs as low as possible. Also never underestimate the usefullness of becoming prefect at WDing.

Lol, I practiced my BSing skills.
 

MrBitter

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Links all work, video quality is good. For people who haven't viewed them yet, it's not youtube, but it is a stream.

K... Tofu...

Your Falco is definitely solid. You SHL well, you l-cancel your aerials well, your pace is decent,etc...

The few complaints I have are as follows.

There are moments in each of these vids where you bust out a nice combo, and move like you're in fast forward. The rest of the time,though, you look slow. Your lasers all look to be a little bit high, and your pressure, while consistent, didn't inspire awe like the much faster pro Falcos that are out there...

This isn't a diss by any means, because the pros are... well... pros. As you continue playing, you will continue to speed up... That's the nature of Smash.

I don't have much for you in the way of criticism. I didn't see you pulling many fancy platform tricks, but there again... That's something that becomes more prevalent at the highest level of play.

For the most part, very well rounded. Well above average, but again... Not pro.
 

Miharu

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Your Falco's too slow. More laser pressure, JC your shines more quickly, and follow up your aerials more quickly. You've got the basics down, but your Falco's still pretty rough. First, don't rely on spotdodging and shieldgrabbing so much; it'll only get you punished, so use both techniques sparingly. Don't try to CC and dtilt for kills, since it's really obvious, and relatively easy for your opponent to space it so you'll never get the dtilt in. Against Sheik, it's better to just fthrow at higher percents, make her upB onto the stage, then just bair/dsmash/fsmash during her afterlag.

Use Falco's laser game to shffl more, since you fulljump/doublejump way too much. I find that Falco's very vulnerable while he's in the air like that. It's better the approach with shffls, and if you do double jump, fastfall it so you minimize the amount of time that you're vulnerable in the air. Also, work on better using SHL, since in the first match on YS against Sheik, lasers didn't play a large factor at all, and you should be using them to control the flow of the match.

It seems that when someone even slightly pressures your shield, you ahve a tendency to roll. If you're going to roll, at least roll away from them, not behind, as it makes it slightly harder to chase. Another option that's viable against Sheik is shine out of shield, which can be a nice combo starter for you as well. It's also wise to crouchcancel a lot of Sheik's moves when you're at lower percentages, such as tilts, since you can just cc into a shine and start comboing from there. However, CCing at higher percentages will lead to your dying as Falco, because it's quite predictable at higher percentages what you're trying to do.

Learn LHDL. It's a very useful tool to add to your ledge game.

When you double jump too much, you're not pressuring your opponent at all. Falco's pretty much all about his volatile rushdown game, as you can go from just SHLing/RSHLing right into a combo, and your opponent takes upwards of 50% in a few seconds. So you have to be able to take advantage of every little opening that your SHL game presents to you. That's why it's usually preferred to shffl aerials, that way the pressure is constant, and leaves no breathing room for your oponent. Go watch some Falco vids, and you'll see that every Falco utilizes lasers very well; proper laser gameplay can often decide the outcome of a match.

Good luck, hope this advice helps.
 

Driz

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A few things I noticed,
1. You need to start RSHL'ing instead of just wavedash back shl
2.Shffl'd Dairs I dont recal seeing one moving shffld dair which can be used to start shine combos
3.Although not all important as stated above LHDL very useful for returning when the opponent is a body length or 2 away and can set up into a combo or just a smash depending on how far the opponent is.
4.Tr to use wavedashing to move more fluently and throw it in after shine(waveshining) to mix up your movement and keep yourself on your opponents heels!
 

killer tofu

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thanks guys

this was the first time i had a chance to see myself play and i definitely see myself double jumping too much and leaving myself vulnerable to be fair'd by teh shiek

as far as LHDL and RSHL, this was my first tourney and i didn't trust myself doing those. I was really nervous lol. Fearing i would side-b to my death. or something silly.

Awesome thanks for the advice and i would greatly appreciate more.
 

DEHF

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for the yoshi match up all you should do is pillar spam. A yoshi can't get out of its shield easily and would only be able escape a pillar is by dodge rolling

Try not to go after a yoshi when they are using their second jump unless they are at high damage or you shine them because they will get a free hit off of you

Keep up the good work :)
 

0m3n5150

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Close Range
-Dr. Mario
-Mario
-Luigi
-Yoshi
-Mr. Game & Watch
-Ice Climbers

You want to treat these guys like Swordsmen. You're really just a faster version of them who is only slightly weaker, so act accordingly. Toss them around and entrap them in multiple back and forth hits with the Falco Phantasm. It's also a good idea to blast at these guys with the Firebird.


Don't follow this advice and you'll be just fine! =P
*i didnt write this*
I laughed when I found this >.>
 

killer tofu

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Can't believe somebody said that!
lol
When i first saw your post i was confused cuz there are no vids of any of those characters. So any tips for my noob self?
 

0m3n5150

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from me? no. im probably more of a noob than you. lol =P
but I have a question... does anyone know of a guide for falco's edge guarding? i cant find a good one.
 
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