Help against Peach

[Yum_Cha]

I'm having a ton of problems with Peach in general. I swear I'm losing to turnups alone , I'm getting owned by them when I'm trying to recover from the ledge. I don't jump right away so I can stay low and avoid them, but I still get hit by a lot of them. How do I beat turnups when I'm on the ledge? Also, what do I do when she spams them while zoning? Block or F-tilt or A them or try grabbing them? Killing her quickly seems impossible b/c I can't combo her. Even on Yoshi's Story she still gets up to 150% sometimes, plus I heard Yoshi's Story is a bad stage for Marth vs Peach b/c I remeber Wife beating Ken there.

 

[JesiahTEG]

i've always though marth vs peach was a hard match up, even though i know how to play iit. Lots of fairs, like always, but its especially important against peach since she can be comboe'd. just swat the projectiles away with your ftilts. People usually want to learn the ken combo to be flashy and cool, but against peach its actually very useful, because she can live to ridiculously high percentages on levels with high ceilings and lots of horizontal space. Ken combo can kill her at low percentages. Use dtilts when she's near the edge of the stage, so you can edgeguard her with fsmashes and dtilts. If she's above you while she's recovering, it's gonna be near impossible to edgeguard her. Always try and make sure she's trying to come back UP to the edge, not down. As for the turnips while your recovering, the best thing to do is let them hit you and die, it will make the game faster than if you tried to fight them and recover. You will die anyways. And btw, Marth's story- mean yoshi's story is definitely the best place you can fight peach.

 

[Dark Sonic]

You could swat the turnips with fairs while recovering instead of just getting hit by them. You already said you'd save your second jump so just fastfall under them and then jump if you don't want to fair them. Yoshi's Story is a great anti Peach level! Just throw peach onto a platform to F-Smash her at like 40%. She should never live to 150% on that level. An up tilt, tipped foward tilt, f-smash, d-smash, sweetspotted up B,Nair, tipped Fair, tipped Bair, tipped Uair, or a neutral B would easily get the kill. You don't really need any thing but fairs and nairs and the ken combo is quite easy on Peach due to her slow stun recovery in the air.
If she's recovering from low it's an easy edgeguard, but if she's recovering from hish it's almost impossible to keep her from comming back. Try to tip her with an up air in this situation as it may kill her at high percents. On YS use the slant of the hill to hit lower and further out with your F-smash and D-tilt for more effective edguarding. You won't be able to tip the ledge, but you can hit them when they're not even close enough to use their up B.

 

[Philzard]

When Peach throws a turnip, she's usually right behind it with a dash attack. I find the best thing to do is to just to keep hitting F-Tilt or F-Smash. Hitting the turnip will cancel your attack and you can quickly hit Peach right after. I find this to be the only thing that works, besides just running away, because if you dodge it, Peach will hit you...if you catch it, Peach will hit you. Kinda sucks. For coming from the ledge, try ledgehopping, pressing Z to catch the turnip, and throw it at her. I kinda find this easy although people will disagree with me.

As for just fighting Peach...chain throw her forward. Just make sure your grabs are JC grabs. This is good to do when she's at zero or low percent. You can chain throw her maybe 3 times, then right into a F-Smash. It should usually tipper. If Peach comes from above, U-Tilt her. She hates any kind of tilt really. If you can F-Air L-Cancel then U-tilt, you should be able to get her into a ken combo, or at least any kinda of aerial combo you can think of. Peach also hates N-Air. Throw her up, jump and N-air works well. It works well when on the ground too after a forward throw or such.

These are the only things that I know for sure work well. Im sure there's more. Hope it helps.

 

[Pye]

BEHOLD. 3:34 is the best way to deal with turnips while recovering. You said you already save you second jump...so, why not?

I don't have any real Peach experience with my Marth, so I can't help you for anything else, really. I do know you can combo her though. If you can land something that leads into shdfairs (your nair works brilliantly here), you can combo her quite nicely. As already mentioned about a million times, try to finish her with fair to spike, since her horizontal recovery is so stupidly long.

If her damage gets high (which does happen against Peach. If she manages to recover after a few non-tipper fsmashes, for example), utilt takes the stock since she's so floatly. You can even KO her with uthrow if you've really put damage on.

 

[uremog]

that was a tiiight usage of turnips

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

I'm reluctant to give out some of this information, but I don't think it will effect me too much if I do:

Husband taught me an automatic combo vs peach to give her some percent or lead into a Ken combo. It works all the time if done correctly. Grab peach, fthrow and dash attack asap after the throw. Then just combo her from there.

Oh, and use nair to approach peach which eats through both peach's turnips and her.

Edit: the fthrow to dash attack works on a few other characters as well, such as marth. You'll have to experiment and see what works, just like the dthrow and uthrow.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Most people are inexperienced with item play, which leads to poor response to turnips. Basically good peaches that are based on turnip spamming work because the typical player is so used to tournament standards that they lose the ability to grab items in midair,( press z before getting hit to grab the turnip and keep going), grab items at point black, a simple tap of the A button when the item is jsut about to hit you, and even powersheilding or jsut a quick tap of A to use Marths good range against peaches projectile.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Yes my friend plays a spammy Peach and I think the best way to get the peach to get away from the turnips is to neutralize the attacks. I tested a couple of my suggestions, and while it may take some ridiculous reactions to do the pointblank item catch without sitting on it, if you shffl your FAirs you'll usually stop the turnips.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Okay, this matchup is very simple.

SHFFL Fairs and CC Dtilt. Space with these then wait for the Fsmash/Ken Combo

Fthrow/Marth's range (fsmash anyone?) = your friend

nair the turnips

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

Oh yeah, and don't forget dthrow to full hop bair.

Careful when spamming fairs in front of peach cause she can dash attack you as you fall, and her dash attack takes priority over anything marth has when marth is above.

When peach is recovering from above back to the stage and using her up B, she has 3 options:
1. keep going straight with her up B
2. Fast fall the up B
3. air dodge

Always expect the air dodge and do not fsmash. Try utilting or nothing instead.

 

[Philzard]

Smash GOD, you say to CC Dtilt. I thought it was a common rule to never hold down against a Peach, haha. Downsmash = ouch.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Ha, 50+ damage on a crouch influence sure sounds like a nice way to beat peach, but in all seriousness I can see what you mean, if you're at the right distance or you get it off quick enoguh, the toe-poke will keep peach honest and if you successfully keep a peach at a distance jsut because they know youll poke them before they can dsmash you, you get the advantage because theoretically, they would have to take new approached to using the d smash, or abandon it as a central strategy. in which case you could most likely expect more turnip spamming

 

[Philzard]

Ahh, I see. Mastering the right distance takes a lot of practice though. Which I'm willing to give time to! My spacing is horrible, haha. Good idea.

 

[-Wolfy-]

I've been watching alot of Marth vid's lately, and I think it was the 05 or 06 MLG finals with Ken and PC Chris, but PC Chris beat Ken jsut because he controlled the stadium and maintained spacing in a way that he could SHL while staying jsut out of range, and then stay in a range where he is jsut out of marths reach and then still be in position to move in with SHFFL'd aerials.spacing is an aspect i've been trying to develope alot more since watching the Ken vs. PC Chris videos.

 

[Grill]

watch out for the crazy d-smash-fireblast youll feel the wrath of the rings. especially falcon knee to turnip smash.

 

[-Wolfy-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pYIadEGBsc
MLG FINALS PC CHRIS vs. KEN
It's jsut a good example of control of the level, and even though Marth doesn't win, you can see what a big factor spacing is.

 

[Husband]

Yoshi story isnt the best stage for marth in this match up. Its too small for him to work vs Peach. Play on FD, PS, or BF

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

Yoshi story isnt the best stage for marth in this match up. Its too small for him to work vs Peach. Play on FD, PS, or BF

I noticed that marth needs space vs peach. If she gets inside it's really dangerous, and she has the dash attack which murders marth when trying to land.

 

[Dark Sonic]

You could just shield the dash attack. I've never had a problem with Peach on YS because the kill zones are very close. I find that I can just use the platforms for my desired space and take advantage of the small stage.

 

[Philzard]

I personally hate Yoshi Story. But against Peach, if she gets too close I like to jump and waveland on the platforms and comedown on the other side with a quick aerial. It helps for getting away from her/mindgames/spacing. For a basic Yoshi Story strategy, keeping Peach above you at all times is great. It's pretty easy since there's barely any room for her to land. Utilts are fun and Peach hates em.

 

[Husband]

You could just shield the dash attack. I've never had a problem with Peach on YS because the kill zones are very close. I find that I can just use the platforms for my desired space and take advantage of the small stage.

You must not be playing againts good peaches

 

[Dark Sonic]

They're pretty decent players, I just abuse my range against them. How exactly is that level bad against Peach. It's a nice small level making it easy to stay on the offense.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Marth's biggest weakness is being point blank to someone better at close combat, marth's power is at his tip, peach gets up in your face and d-smashes you then tech chases you while humming happily.

Edit: to those who responded to my post, I KNOW TO GRAB, my god you can't detect sarcasm..and the fact you answer like you have all the time in the world to grab is abit degrading.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Why don't you just grab them at that range. Your grab out ranges most of her moves and comes out faster. If you seriously need to tip Peach with something just full hop a rising Fair. It's tip hits right in front of your feet so it'll smack her in the face. She may be better then you in close combat, but at that range it's easy to push her away from you.

 

[-Wolfy-]

If you're point blank with peach, its obvious to say, down d-tilt, WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T D TILT! I've seen people say Marths best separation move at point blank is the toe poke, but with peach that just equates to about 64 damage. If your point blank, assuming you have about a second before you get d-smashed to death, you could shffl and n-air,wave dash backwards into f-smash, or if your that close jsut grab..

 

[Fade016]

Use marths Disjoined hit box to your advantage. use your sword its not part of you. if they throw turnips use a simple a ,Ftilt or a Neutral air.

 

[Deleted member]

for the ledge... just roll ledge wavedash,or simply aget up shield and dash jump grab turnip with z and throw back. learn to catch turnips.
also never give her a chance to respond. i dont care if your the calm type attack, attack and keep all the pressure flowwing whille spacing your selves. realize that peaches cant stand pressue and break down after a while.. into changing their style enough so they go into attack mode and tone down or even forget turnip. just kidding...or was i

 

[Zettai Kurayami]

Best way to fight peach is to hold your range with the sword so they cant get near you

 

[Me14k]

Marth counters peach.

It may seem hard to play the peach because most of marths regular combos are hard to pull off, but at the same time, a lot of peach's combos cant be pulled of either.

The peach will try to keep its distance, you need to get up close to the peach, so the turnips have no use.

Ken combo works very well against peach

marth owns on yoshi story. A non DIed tipper kills a peach from middle at 30%...

 

[Yum_Cha]

Thanks for some of the input on advice against Peach. I'm guessing I get screwed by turnups on the ledge because I'm F+Bing too much instead of worrying about turnups. I was also wondering some of my options if she Dsmashes me in range. IS rolling away from Peach a good option if she is in close because I don't want to get hit by Dsmash because I can't block it, can't Dodge it, and light shielding is very hard. I can't punish it by wavedashing out of my shield, or jump out of my shield and f/bair her.

Yoshi story isnt the best stage for marth in this match up. Its too small for him to work vs Peach. Play on FD, PS, or BF

Husband and one of my friends who is a mod here says YS is bad stage for Marth also. One prime reason is because Ken lost to Wife on YS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cokw4wm_8p8

I also heard that FD is a "good" stage against Peach because you can combo her for free, where Ken had easily defeated Wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9iSNfmug-g&mode=related&search=

Either way the only stage I've beaten a Peach Player on was YS.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Well if you roll the right direction. I love in vid's when people try and roll out, and end up right back in her clutches.

 

[Philzard]

Does light shield actually guard against Peach's down smash?

 

[Yum_Cha]

Does light shield actually guard against Peach's down smash?

Yes it does.

 

[Darkwyveryn]

Does anybody remember one of marth's best assets? If peach was to throw a turnip and follow it up to hit you right after then counter. It would reflect the turnip, hit peach and set you up for a combo. If she doesn't come right after it then jump it. If you think about it, peach's jump takes a while. she spins and twirls plus you have longer range and she can't pull a turnip out of the air if she jumps at you.

 

[captainlukey]

Does anybody remember one of marth's best assets? If peach was to throw a turnip and follow it up to hit you right after then counter. It would reflect the turnip, hit peach and set you up for a combo. If she doesn't come right after it then jump it. If you think about it, peach's jump takes a while. she spins and twirls plus you have longer range and she can't pull a turnip out of the air if she jumps at you.

spoken like someone who has never played a peach before... lol

good peaches know how to use the turnips in their mindgames dude.... it wouldnt be that simple...