Has anyone ever wondered about space/time

[Pikaville]

Have any of you ever sat down and wondered what was there before space/time began.Ive been reading Steven Hawkins A brief history of time and its possible the most head f*****g book ever written.It puts foward alot of theory's that are really hard to get you head around.(I had to read over some parts a few times just to start to grasp the concepts)It really makes you think about what was there before all the elements,stars etc were formed.I mean they say the universe is constantly expanding but,whats past that border?What was there before space existed or has it always existed?Does anyone else think this to be really interesting?

 

[Mr.GAW]

Yes, everybody thinks it's interesting, yes people wonder about it, and yes it's been discussed to death.

There's probably a couple hundered topics floating about in the Proom in which this would fit into.

 

[Vinnie275]

I wrote a thesis in 7th grade on it, but my pappy deleted it on accident, after that I didn't really try pursue this kind of thing further,
but I sure think about it abstractly.


Consider if time is moving foward at a steady rate, why is some matter slowly gaining mass while the rest of the universe remains inert.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

The universe is a giant fudge sandwich which is very slowly melting under a megasun on a megatable in a megapersons porch. But we are too small to see or understand this.

 

[Jammer]

I've read A Brief History of Time a couple times, too. It's a bit outdated, but still pretty interesting.

I guess I think a bit about those things. But it's hard to have just a general discussion about it because you can talk about so many things: entropy, energy, time, space, gravity, String Theory, etc.

 

[Eternalfire]

I watched a special on string theory on youtube. It made my head hurt, but I love it.

 

[Pikaville]

String theory is insane.Its very hard to grasp at first.(the mind just cant really comprehend)The prospect of a 4D universe is also messes with my head

 

[Virgilijus]

I have always loved looking at space and all the celestial bodies that are out there and it's the main reason I'm majoring in aerospace engineering. However, while it's fun to try to wrap your head around things like the beginning of time, some times it just takes away from the beauty of the whole thing. As Walt Whitman once wrote:

When I heard the learn'd astronomer,
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me,
When I was shown the charts, the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them,
When I sitting heard the learned astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture room,
How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick,
Till rising and gliding out I wander'd off by myself,
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
Look'd up in perfect silence at the stars.

 

[SirroMinus1]

i wonder about it everyday. thats why i dont believe in God.

 

[Deserter]

omg u guys must read "an elegant universe" & "the fabric of the cosmos" by bryan greene really helps your mind grasp it great books they both are, i like the second one more though.

 

[AltF4]

Brian Greene is pretty good, yea.

Strictly speaking, there is no way to know what happened pre-big bang. In fact, it's not even really proper to think of it as "before" the big bang.

 

[Pink Reaper]

If you want to at least try and understand String Theory i might suggest this, however you have to understand that the video itself isn't a widely accepted way of explaining String Theory. However the book itself has a much more in depth explanation of String Theory and if you think you can handle it(its a bit of a mind ****) I might suggest you look into it.

 

[Eor]

For someone with no knowledge of string theory, that was a very interesting video

 

[Pikaville]

To Deserter and Pink reaper.Cool guys thanks for the info.Id really love to properly study this stuff but the Irish education system says if im not good at german,Irish,English (and not great at some others) I cant study something im really interested in.What a load of s**t.

And to Virgilijus fair play for majoring aerospace engineering.Thats gotta be a tough course.

 

[Pikaville]

Oh and Eor your right thats is a very interesting video.I had to watch it 3 times to make sure i was hearing it right.The narrator is right some of the ideas are mind boggling.

I also just read something really crazy http://www.slate.com/id/2100715 Imagine it were true!

 

[adaptor17]

Oh and Eor your right thats is a very interesting video.I had to watch it 3 times to make sure i was hearing it right.The narrator is right some of the ideas are mind boggling.

I also just read something really crazy http://www.slate.com/id/2100715 Imagine it were true!

wow theres a lot of ****ing interesting things on this thread! haha,yah dude that would be funkay.just some guy ****in around w/ chemicals and than creates our universe. or maybe there was a lab team.(consists of buddha,god,jesus,mohammed,ron l. hubbard etc).and than there stories were told in the beginning and than slowly diminished and drifted to what they are today.

 

[Pikaville]

Check this out too

www.tetraspace.alkaline.org

Now this took me a while to grasp.

 

[Pikaville]

I wish I was smart enough to come up with this stuff.

 

[Keku]

A couple of ways to really get a nice knot in your brains is to imagine every single bit of life getting extinct from the universe. What would happen, since no one was there to measure the flow of time? There would only be matter, forever, and no mind to experience anything. Without life, there would be no purpose for anything at all. Or simply imagine God before he created anything and pressing a Delete-button on himself.

Don't just read what I wrote, think it through a couple of times. Without life, there would be no understandable flow of time. When I think about it, it would seem as time would flow infinitely fast, because there was no consciousness to understand change. Don't know really, but it's a mind-boggling thought.

 

[Vinnie275]

Dimensions undulate in a manner that is exponential, not multiplicative.

This provable fact completely proves all Quantum Physics, string theory, and time as the 4th dimension false.


According to the video on the tenth dimension, it states that time is the fourth dimension, but it is only a part of the third. What they claim as the fifth dimension is a much closer representation of the fourth dimension.

Any further speculation on dimensions is often the result of fabricated results.

 

[Deserter]

uhh, what r u talking about zapo? I don't think all that study and with all those mathematics done that they would miss something that simple. i don't believe it!

 

[Wak]

SWF's speed seriously needs some urgent attention.

 

[Wak]

If I sit and concentrate for a couple of mins, I can actually see time.

from what I know, which I can't really describe in english, I came with the idea that the universe wasn't expanding like a big bubble getting always bigger. It's more like atoms going away from a "center", where our known universe started.

When I heard "our universe is expanding" at the beginning I though of a well-defined invisible line around our universe, like the ozone layer that definites what's Earth and what is not Earth, or an expanding bubble. But now I think there is no such layer around the universe, as if it was already infinite before the big bang.

 

[Jammer]

When I heard "our universe is expanding" at the beginning I though of a well-defined invisible line around our universe, like the ozone layer that definites what's Earth and what is not Earth, or an expanding bubble. But now I think there is no such layer around the universe, as if it was already infinite before the big bang.

Well, yeah. When people say "the universe is expanding", they mean that the farthest out matter is... farther out, and going farther. Space is infinite, according to most scientists (although many believe it may loop around on itself, even in just the 3 dimensions), but we define our universe as the sum of the salient features in space, I guess.

Dimensions undulate in a manner that is exponential, not multiplicative.

This provable fact completely proves all Quantum Physics, string theory, and time as the 4th dimension false.


According to the video on the tenth dimension, it states that time is the fourth dimension, but it is only a part of the third. What they claim as the fifth dimension is a much closer representation of the fourth dimension.

Any further speculation on dimensions is often the result of fabricated results.

"Dimensions undulate in a manner that is exponential, not multiplicative"? Yeah, maybe in String Theory, but that doesn't prove anything.

Scientists don't just "invent" new dimensions for the fun of it (at least they don't when they're formulating a serious theory). They use the extra dimensions to help explain things. The fourth dimension in one theory may may serve a totally different purpose than the fourth dimension in another theory. You can't compare the dimensions from one theory to the dimensions from another theory, although they are often similar because both theories have the same general idea.

And we have not yet actually seen extra dimensions, so it is not a "provable fact". Although new, more powerful particle colliders are expected to show the existence of the 10 or 11 dimensions predicted with String Theory, but that's a couple years off, if it happens at all.

 

[JonBeBonanza]

i dont know
but i heard taht if we ever get sucked into a black hole
that it turns everything into 2-d WTF!!!!!!!!!!! 2- effin D

 

[psicicle]

BTW guys, there is not really a "the fourth dimension", it's not like time has to come after space. Dimension basically is a way to say where something is located. If you really wanted, you could call color a dimension. Thats why :

"Dimensions undulate in a manner that is exponential, not multiplicative.

This provable fact completely proves all Quantum Physics, string theory, and time as the 4th dimension false.


According to the video on the tenth dimension, it states that time is the fourth dimension, but it is only a part of the third. What they claim as the fifth dimension is a much closer representation of the fourth dimension.

Any further speculation on dimensions is often the result of fabricated results."

doesnt really make sense. Time is definitely another dimension, one in which the third changes depending on where you are in time. Also "
"Dimensions undulate in a manner that is exponential, not multiplicative.

This provable fact completely proves all Quantum Physics, string theory, and time as the 4th dimension false."

I dont see why. what do you mean by undulate?

When people say the universe is expanding, they say so because we see everything getting farther away from us at a rate proportional to their distance from us already. We could say that we are the center of the universe, but a more elegant solution is that space is expanding. A usual analogy is with a muffin with raisins or something in it. All the rasins inside get farther away from one another, so from each one's view all the other raisins are going away from it, but this is because the "space" (muffin) is expanding.

 

[AltF4]

This isn't a matter of debate. Time is a dimension. You can stretch it, compact it, even tear it. Whether or not it is the 4th dimension doesn't really matters. String theory says there are other spacial dimensions, so if that's true then it's wouldn't be the 4th but higher.

That doesn't change the fact that time is real and a dimension.

 

[Ophelius]

... Wow. I never really looked into this stuff...

 

[Vinnie275]

"Dimensions undulate in a manner that is exponential, not multiplicative"? Yeah, maybe in String Theory, but that doesn't prove anything.

No, what I'm saying is String Theory is completely speculative.

In other words, scientists make this up because of a complex that they get from not having religion.
Because their lives lack meaning, they try to explain the universe from their terribly missplaced perspectives.

So you figure by the video that 1D a point
2D is length and width
3D is lenght width and depth, the world we live in
Therefore 4D must be time? BS!!!!

By undulate I mean the process of increased from 3 dimension > 4th dimension etc

The world as it really is.
1D is length, that is all points on a line. Not just one point.
2D is length and width as crappy video suggests
3D is of course length and width and depth
The fourth dimension is where the video started to go wrong.

If the dimensions were increasing mathmatically, and not geometrically, then time could possibly be the fourth dimension.

But dimensions increase from 1D > 2D > 3D by an exponential, geometric rate.
My point is, the fourth dimension is not tangibly explained.
It's like saying that 4D has length, width, depth, plus an added kind of "depth" that is not easily explained by saying it is "time".

Time is merely an illusion in this instance. Time is also relative to the video's "10th" dimension when it refers to "infinity", which is incorrectly identified as a higher dimension as well.

There are so many questions raised and so little answered because in truth we actually do not exist in the fourth dimension. This is a misconception that is difficult to understand, as almost all information on the REAL fourth dimension is not shared to any public or private research groups that would make the information public or common knowledge.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

I'd never guess that such a speculative science that is only provable in the mathematical world would get so much gab on a video game forum.

I'm getting the feeling that I need to read more Stephen Hawking...

 

[Pink Reaper]

The Fourth Dimension is a line, connecting two third dimensional points. The video is stating that if you consider the three dimensional universe as a single point then connecting the different points creates a forth dimensional line. The different points on the line are the three dimensional universe as it was, is and is going to be in an infinite continuum. Its really that simple, time isn't the numbers on a clock like we think of them but rather the infinite changes from one instance in the universe to the next. The fifth dimension would be the infinite amount of instances that didn't happen. The video simply showed one example but in reality, the fifth is an infinite amount of possibilities that DIDN'T occur upon the fourth dimensional line that you exist on.

 

[psicicle]

In any case, the video is not talking about the dimensions in string theory, just how you would have a bunch of extra dimensions in a different way. In string theory, the dimensions are either so big or so small that they are undetectable as of yet. Imagine it like this, in 3D there are points. The extra dimensions are basically contained within each point, making it so that in order to locate a particle, you'd have to specify where it lies inside those dimensions.

"In other words, scientists make this up because of a complex that they get from not having religion.
Because their lives lack meaning, they try to explain the universe from their terribly missplaced perspectives"

Im guessing that this is flamebait or something, so I'll just say that there are many religious scientists. Religion itself is speculative, by the way, so you can't say that it is a misplaced perspective.

Dimensions do not neccessarily increase geometrically, but time is a fourth dimension because if you "slice" timeat a point, you have a three dimensional thing. If you slice a 3D object, you get a 2D thing, if you slice a 2D thing at a point, you get a 1D thing. BTW by slicing, I mean more mathematically holding a variable constant.

Try to draw a graph that incorporates time and you run into the same problems as if you were trying to draw a 4th spacial dimension.

 

[plasmawisp6633]

Have any of you ever sat down and wondered what was there before space/time began.Ive been reading Steven Hawkins A brief history of time and its possible the most head f*****g book ever written.It puts foward alot of theory's that are really hard to get you head around.(I had to read over some parts a few times just to start to grasp the concepts)It really makes you think about what was there before all the elements,stars etc were formed.I mean they say the universe is constantly expanding but,whats past that border?What was there before space existed or has it always existed?Does anyone else think this to be really interesting?

Personally, I like Carl Sagan and Cosmos a little more than A Brief History of Time. I love these books because they deal with astronomy and physics, w/o all of the math and boring stuff in the middle. They just cut to the chase and give you all the facts, theories and assumptions.

Everytime I read Cosmos, I'm reminded of how infinitely, infinitely, infinitely small we all are, and how infinitely, infinitely, infinitely big the universe is. Sometimes, it's just waaaaay to mind-boggling to even think about.

So, to answer your question, yes, do ponder about time and space...especially when I'm on the crapper reading Cosmos.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

Everytime I read Cosmos, I'm reminded of how infinitely, infinitely, infinitely small we all are, and how infinitely, infinitely, infinitely big the universe is.

Reminds me of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. There is a machine that shows how significant you are compared to the entire universe and it blows your mind.

 

[Frigid_Aztec]

yeah I've thought about it, but it got too complicated and my head hurt, so I took some advil and quit.

 

[shadenexus18]

Have any of you ever sat down and wondered what was there before space/time began.Ive been reading Steven Hawkins A brief history of time and its possible the most head f*****g book ever written.It puts foward alot of theory's that are really hard to get you head around.(I had to read over some parts a few times just to start to grasp the concepts)It really makes you think about what was there before all the elements,stars etc were formed.I mean they say the universe is constantly expanding but,whats past that border?What was there before space existed or has it always existed?Does anyone else think this to be really interesting?

Hmmm come to think of it...

I have pondered if there are different dimensions out there in the universe on other planes and such. Other worlds where other homo sapiens reside. It's simply mind boggling.

It makes us wonder what on earth are we missing?

 

[JonBeBonanza]

Hmmm come to think of it...

I have pondered if there are different dimensions out there in the universe on other planes and such. Other worlds where other homo sapiens reside. It's simply mind boggling.

It makes us wonder what on earth are we missing?

yeah the world is extremely vast, we dont even know wahts at the bottom of our oceans... yet alone DEEP SPACE.

My world history teacher has a poster right, its all black with a bunch of little white star looking things, and in one lonesome corner it says you are here meaning our galaxy being the milkyway of course, and there are alot more star thingies on there so yea.. BUT IS IT TRUE?