Hardest char to play as?

[sharksquail]

What character do you think takes the most skill to play with on a high level and why?

I think Link, because of his inherently bad match ups, making a mistake at a high level of play with him often means death, his weight makes him easy to juggle, and he's not all that fast ether.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

At a competitive level, Its probably Link or Fox, followed by either Yoshi or Ness.

 

[DMoogle]

If you're at a high level with one character, then it's not hard at ALL to get to a similar level with all the other characters. Most SSB concepts apply to the entire cast.

 

[sharksquail]

If you're at a high level with one character, then it's not hard at ALL to get to a similar level with all the other characters. Most SSB concepts apply to the entire cast.

I agree, but at the same time certain character attributes can make them harder to use. Like how fast you have to input commands to play fox at a high level.

 

[ballin4life]

Ness then Yoshi.

Link and Fox are easy just spam projectiles

 

[asianaussie]

Link hardest o.o

Run away, spam projectiles, D-Air a bit when they get close and don't use stupid laggy punishable tactics (like U-Tilting shields twice in a row...)

I'd say Fox...or Yoshi...

 

[Skrlx]

I think DK would be the hardest if you try to play outside the "grab + backthrow" mentality AND if you have no platforms. Keep in mind that a good player can get out of his grab almost immediately so combo abilities with the grab where he carries you in his back are slim to none unless you do that inifite grab release thing.

 

[ciaza]

I think DK would be the hardest if you try to play outside the "grab + backthrow" mentality AND if you have no platforms. Keep in mind that a good player can get out of his grab almost immediately so combo abilities with the grab where he carries you in his back are slim to none unless you do that inifite grab release thing.

I agree, the best DK we have on our server is 1der, only made so by the fact that he's the only one that can consistenly pull off platofrm drop uairs>uair>fair/upsmash/Dk pawnch

 

[dandan]

in high level i would say yoshi, but i am talking about parrying and whatnot, i think he is the hardest chat to play to the full potential

 

[asianaussie]

I agree, the best DK we have on our server is 1der, only made so by the fact that he's the only one that can consistenly pull off platofrm drop uairs>uair>fair/upsmash/Dk pawnch

are you freaking kidding leo be up in that dk international pro group camping in the **** tent is pretty leet if you ask my humble opinion of course im so insignificant next to the amazingness that is leo that i have to make up words like amazingness to describe him of course ness and amazing shouldnt be paired thats just silly unless were talking about earthbound

Excuse the rant. 1der's DK pales next to Blackshadow's. Give him a couple weeks of practice and he'll be quite good again.

 

[ciaza]

True, but it goes without saying that leo is the greatest, shame he isnt on much.

 

[SSBPete]

i dont think u noobs have seen my dk yet

 

[Lawrencelot]

Yoshi seems the hardest to me

 

[NixxxoN]

I'd say Yoshi

Hes the weirdest/most different from the rest

Why people say ness? He doesnt need z-cancel to do uairs and dairs, and his running makes easy to tech-chase opponents

 

[t3h Icy]

Falcon and Kirby.

 

[GhllieShdeKnife]

i think yoshi gets my vote

 

[ballin4life]

I'd say Yoshi

Hes the weirdest/most different from the rest

Why people say ness? He doesnt need z-cancel to do uairs and dairs, and his running makes easy to tech-chase opponents

I'm not counting z cancels and stuff because that's basic for any good player. Ness is hard because
1) You have to master DJC and all the different ways you can use it which takes a lot of practice
2) You have to learn how to approach with his bad range
3) You have to learn how to do his recovery, preferably so you can sweet spot it from above.
4) Even though he has some easy combos, his combos are hard to finish well. Fair chains are hard to do especially. In order to be really good with ness you have to learn all his difficult advanced combos

 

[L1ON]

Falcon and Kirby.

L1ON see whatchu did there

 

[L1ON]

I'm not counting z cancels and stuff because that's basic for any good player. Ness is hard because
1) You have to master DJC and all the different ways you can use it which takes a lot of practice
2) You have to learn how to approach with his bad range
3) You have to learn how to do his recovery, preferably so you can sweet spot it from above.
4) Even though he has some easy combos, his combos are hard to finish well. Fair chains are hard to do especially. In order to be really good with ness you have to learn all his difficult advanced combos

I'd say ness and yoshi tied for hardest. They are my two worst characters. But sometimes I can play with yoshi... Yoshi has greater potential and therefore better imo and ness is just hard.

 

[dandan]

I'd say ness and yoshi tied for hardest. They are my two worst characters. But sometimes I can play with yoshi... Yoshi has greater potential and therefore better imo and ness is just hard.

isn't it supposed to be "Lion says ness and yoshi..."

 

[Dan$inyi]

Falcon and Kirby.

kirby must be the easiest char to play i picked up kirby in like 2 hours lol

i would say link. since his attacks requires you to actually know when to use them unlike kirby.
second would probably be samus

 

[DMoogle]

I think Samus is easier to learn the quirks of than Kirby.

 

[The Star King]

Link. For everybody saying Yoshi, as an avid Yoshi player myself, I would say that Yoshi IS really hard to learn and use at first. However, once I got used to him, I don't have to work THAT hard to play well. For me, it feels like Link has to always try hard for everything. Maybe I'm not experienced enough with him, but I have to put a lot of effort (mostly mentally) into playing well with him.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

... there is a definition confusion that I think is changing everyone's opinion.

"Hardest Character to play as" to me means the character that is the hardest to use to it's potential. People are confusing this with "Hardest Character to win with", which is self-explanatory.

In my opinion, the hardest character to win with is Link. Although Samus is the worst character, it's not that hard to space bairs and dairs, and all the other wonderful Saums stuff. However, with Link, one mistake and you're dead. Your spacing has to be basically perfect, your camping has to be basically perfect, and... well, one mistake and you're dead

The hardest character to use is probably Yoshi. There are soo many AT's, most hard to do (well, at least compared to other AT's). Most of his advanced combos utilize a combination of these AT's.

 

[Tambor]

I'd say Samus. I'm not talking about technical skill here though... Ever felt powerless against a gay Fox or a Pikachu? I only feel that when playing Samus - like I have to exploit every single mistake or I'm screwed.
Then again, it looks like we all have different views of "high level".

 

[asianaussie]

Fox and Ness make my fingers sore when I play them on console. Does that count as hard?

I would say the hardest character to win with depends on your opponent's character (ohnoes matchup talk). I mean, Link vs Jiggs is fairly easy if you camp lots and don't run into D-Airs and grabs. Link against a gay Fox, on the other hand, is almost impossible. You can't camp for fear of one billion lasers, you can't projectile much for fear of gay shines, you can't recover for fear of that enormous B-Air, and you can't U-Tilt for fear of...well, anything he does. Once you're on the defensive, that's it. You have to pray for a mistake or some drills/walls to exploit.

 

[DMoogle]

I hate Link vs. Jiggs. I feel like it's one mistake and you're dead to the extreme... even moreso (albeit slightly) that Pika.

A general strategy against Fox is to make sure you keep below or above him, and avoid at all costs being at his height.

 

[Mew2King]

Kirby!!!!!!!!

 

[ETWIST51294]

LOLOLOL NO Mew2n00b.

play more 64. >_>

 

[Little England]

^ I think that was a joke man. lol Even if it wasn't I wouldn't be surprised. Kirby isn't THAT good. If people can say Fox then they can definitely say Kirby

I'd go with Yoshi or Samus. Especially Samus though. Playing with Samus will always be an uphill battle against any character. Yoshi is just my personal bias. I don't understand the character.

 

[asianaussie]

I feel like it's one mistake and you're dead to the extreme...

I love uphill matches like this, especially Link vs Falcon and Link vs Jiggs. They're challenging, fun and give me free johns :D

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

kirby IS that good

 

[DMoogle]

I love uphill matches like this, especially Link vs Falcon and Link vs Jiggs. They're challenging, fun and give me free johns :D

I like Link vs. Falcon too, it's one of my favorites, but Link vs. Jiggs is just really annoying. I'm not entirely sure why.

Oh yeah, and Kirby IS that good.

 

[blaze3927]

depends who you play as
yoshi is just ...different, but thats because i dont main him
DK doesnt have much too him even when you are really good.
ness is not hard to "play" but it is hard to win

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Kirby is really hard to use. First off, you have to press up without jumping. I mean, that alone is difficult enough to do. Then, you have to press the "A" button with perfect timing. It's not like the timing is easy, or there's lots of lee-way or anything like that... it's actually quite hard. Only the truly skilled can master the ability to use Kirby's up-tilt successfully.

 

[asianaussie]

Look buddy, short hop non-jumping U-Airs with Kirby are hard

 

[The Star King]

...yeah, right now I'm not sure if this thread is the hardest character to learn to play well as, or hardest character to win with. Like, Samus is easy to learn, but hard to win with.

 

[sharksquail]

The thread was intended to be hardest to master. If it was hardest to win with I would have just made a post in the match up thread.

 

[DMoogle]

Nobody has come close to mastering any character.

 

[UberMario]

I found Ness to be the hardest to get competitve with, although the hardest to master has to be Fox.