Hadouken! Ryu's Official Thread! - We do EX Moves to SMASH!

[8-peacock-8]

It is so hard to fathom the idea of Ryu being in this game. I'm not denying the leak or anything, but its still weird that Ryu can face the likes of Sonic, Pikachu and Bowser. Superheroes are one thing, but this....this is strange. Before this, his most weird opponent was probably Shuma Gorath.

He fights a super villain (M.Bison) all the time tho.

 

[Gene]

It is so hard to fathom the idea of Ryu being in this game. I'm not denying the leak or anything, but its still weird that Ryu can face the likes of Sonic, Pikachu and Bowser. Superheroes are one thing, but this....this is strange. Before this, his most weird opponent was probably Shuma Gorath.

It is surprising considering Ryu opened the gate for more than 1 3rd party character per company, but it's not as weird if you look at all the other Streetfighter characters over the years. If you ever heard of Smash Bros Crusade they have like 3 Streetfighter characters in their game so until we get Smash 4 Ryu we can get an idea of how he'll translate in a platform fighter.

 

[SalsaSavant]

So, maybe a Ken costume + customs that make him more like Ken?

I'm not the most familiar with SF, and I barely used either, but I think that would be viable.

 

[Spatman]

The Street Fighter music was actually found in a file relating to playable characters. But there is the possibility that they somehow forgot to remove the file. (Ryu not making it in)

I'm still completely fine with Ryu being in Smash.

these files were found exploring the patch of April 15. They weren't on the disk

 

[8-peacock-8]

these files were found exploring the patch of April 15. They weren't on the disk

Never said, or implied, it was on the disk.

 

[Daeyrat]

Actually, today I figured out that Ryu could in fact bring unique skills for Smash, which is something Sakurai considers when choosing who becomes or not a character.
If he brings his cancels and EX/Super Meter, he could become unique.

 

[8-peacock-8]

https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._for_Nintendo_3DS#Unused_DLC_Data

Didn't know about the Street Fighter II victory music. Wow. This is way more interesting then it really should be.

 

[Champ Gold]

Ho would a Street Fighter a Stage work in Smash?

Will just be a Final Destination with breakable objects(based off of the original Street Fighter 2)

Platforms maybe? Sakurai can't be that crazy or insane to add any hazards to it.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Ho would a Street Fighter a Stage work in Smash?

Will just be a Final Destination with breakable objects(based off of the original Street Fighter 2)

Platforms maybe? Sakurai can't be that crazy or insane to add any hazards to it.

Assuming that Ryu's theme is the "main" theme of the stage, we should get this.

I think that there's things to do with a japanese castle. More than a flat stage!

 

[Kirbyfan391]

Just a thought, but what if Ryu in Smash turns out to be Street Fighter II Ryu? Like, in sprite form and everything, rather than the modern 3D Ryu. Would make sense also considering the music carried with him.

 

[chuckthesmashlover]

Just a thought, but what if Ryu in Smash turns out to be Street Fighter II Ryu? Like, in sprite form and everything, rather than the modern 3D Ryu. Would make sense also considering the music carried with him.

He would probably look really out of place if they did that. I think his SFIV design is what they'll use.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Just a thought, but what if Ryu in Smash turns out to be Street Fighter II Ryu? Like, in sprite form and everything, rather than the modern 3D Ryu. Would make sense also considering the music carried with him.

Considering that Megaman is a 3D model based on his NES sprite, I doubt that we get "Mr Street and Fight"

Also, Ryu's design hasn't evolved much, compared to the different Megamans, or Pac-Man (the recent Pac-Man cartoon )

 

[8-peacock-8]

Assuming that Ryu's theme is the "main" theme of the stage, we should get this.

I think that there's things to do with a japanese castle. More than a flat stage!

Hey the OMEGA stage. lol

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Hey the OMEGA stage. lol

Or course, the Omega stage is obvious!

There's no walls technically, if I recall well so it makes it even easier to make. (but there's invisible walls in SF)

 

[Zzuxon]

I think Ryu will be a really interesting character if his moveset involves translating conventional fighting game conventions into smash.

 

[AEMehr]

I have this theory that the A+B Smash mechanic added in this patch could eventually be used for Ryu.

I saw an idea of him having a super meter above his character portrait. So maybe he could use portions of his meter for EX variations of his special moves and could do specific button combinations for Supers. I mean that'd be really neat, huh??

 

[Guybrush20X6]

An idea, if they're going for retro Street Fighter then Ryu could have Ken as an alternate. Not the colors like different face model and everything, like Olimar and Alph. Ken started off as a Ryu clone after all.

 

[Graizen]

 

[8-peacock-8]

 

[SalsaSavant]

Okay, pessimistic idea here:

What if it's for a Mii Fighter?
Like, they planned on costumes changing themes at first. IE: Link would cause the Zelda theme to play, Dunbam the Xenoblade theme, etc. What if that was the plan, and we're just getting a costume?

Of course, the theme points at a stage, and if we're getting a stage, we're likely getting a character too. But I could see it being stage+costume.

 

[Graizen]

Okay, pessimistic idea here:

What if it's for a Mii Fighter?
Like, they planned on costumes changing themes at first. IE: Link would cause the Zelda theme to play, Dunbam the Xenoblade theme, etc. What if that was the plan, and we're just getting a costume?

Of course, the theme points at a stage, and if we're getting a stage, we're likely getting a character too. But I could see it being stage+costume.

We have a VICTORY THEME , it is not for a Mii Costume you know?

 

[Mettie7]

Okay, pessimistic idea here:

What if it's for a Mii Fighter?
Like, they planned on costumes changing themes at first. IE: Link would cause the Zelda theme to play, Dunbam the Xenoblade theme, etc. What if that was the plan, and we're just getting a costume?

Of course, the theme points at a stage, and if we're getting a stage, we're likely getting a character too. But I could see it being stage+costume.

Do the mii outfits change the victory theme?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

That's maybe too much costumes And there would be no point having Akuma AND Evil Ryu as palettes.

Marvel vs Capcom 3 nails it IMO. Although we don't need the "cosmic avatar" palette (but it gives an idea about Metal Ryu appearance )

 

[skylanders fan]

my issue with these are that no other charcter got a treatment like this

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

my issue with these are that no other charcter got a treatment like this

Well, there's the Koopalings for costumes and Lucina for palettes.

But I don't see Ryu having an alt costume, even Ken.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Do the mii outfits change the victory theme?

No

 

[DJ3DS]

My idea for costumes would be just recolours based on the most iconic SF characters. He comes white as standard, with a red Ken recolour, Blue Chun-Li recolour, Green Guile/Blanka recolour, and a couple of others (including the obvious black Akuma/Evil Ryu recolour).

I think getting a full alt for a 3rd party character is perhaps overkill (and if it were happening I'd have expected to see it happen to Sonic first), though I wouldn't mind it.

Also, regarding moves: the Neutral, Up and Side specials are the most obvious ones in any discussion to ever come up with. What would you put as the down special though? I did read a very good idea for having the Focus Attack from SFIV, being very slow but with super armour and stunning if it hit.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I also like the idea of the Focus Attack. I become basically a mix of a Warlock Punch and Mewtwo's Disable.

 

[dezeray112]

Not sure what alt costimes Ryu would get, but maybe one of his alt costumes from Street Fighter IV perhaps?

 

[Gene]

That's maybe too much costumes And there would be no point having Akuma AND Evil Ryu as palettes.

Well to be fair Lucario has color that's just a darker version of his standard one. Ryu better have a Dan color or I'll riot.

I also like the idea of the Focus Attack. I become basically a mix of a Warlock Punch and Mewtwo's Disable.

It would be great if he has the Focus Attack. I think his Forward Smash could be his focus attack while his down special could that kick move someone mentioned earlier.

 

[Speculator]

What do you guys think about the victory theme and stage music being (what sounds like) direct rips from SFII? Do you think they're placeholder, or would it be too costly to record new music at this point?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well to be fair Lucario has color that's just a darker version of his standard one.
Ryu better have a Dan color or I'll riot.

Yeah. Also Pac-Man have a yellow alt color. Or Male/Female default Robin.
But having Evil Ryu AND Akuma as palette really seems unnecessary. (Although there's also Toon Link with two retro alt color, meaning he have 3 greens palettes.)
I absolutely agree for Dan's palette though!

I'd say that the difference between Pac-Man/Sonic and Ryu is that he actually have clothing, while the mascots have a distinct skin color that SEGA/Namco probably didn't want to change.

It would be great if he has the Focus Attack. I think his Forward Smash could be his focus attack while his down special could that kick move someone mentioned earlier.

This means that he would be "similar" to Little Mac, if the focus attack as a Smash retains the armor. But it's a natural choice for a chargeable Smash.

 

[8-peacock-8]

What do you guys think about the victory theme and stage music being (what sounds like) direct rips from SFII? Do you think they're placeholder, or would it be too costly to record new music at this point?

It's possible Capcom wanted it to be rips.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

It's possible Capcom wanted it to be rips.

I see it more as placeholders, as Megaman have lots of remixes, compared to Pac-Man and especially Sonic.

Ryu's retro victory theme screams "NOSTALGIAAAAAA" to me, as SF2 is my first fighting game (spamming kicks with Chun-Li back then ) but it would be really odd among the other victory theme, even the retro characters, like Duck Hunt, G&W, ROB, and even Megaman and Pac-Man.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I see it more as placeholders, as Megaman have lots of remixes, compared to Pac-Man and especially Sonic.

Ryu's retro victory theme screams "NOSTALGIAAAAAA" to me, as SF2 is my first fighting game (spamming kicks with Chun-Li back then ) but it would be really odd among the other victory theme, even the retro characters, like Duck Hunt, G&W, ROB, and even Megaman and Pac-Man.

True. I also think it's a placeholder. The full Ryu's Stage theme is likely what it sounds like though.

 

[Braydon]

Actually, today I figured out that Ryu could in fact bring unique skills for Smash, which is something Sakurai considers when choosing who becomes or not a character.
If he brings his cancels and EX/Super Meter, he could become unique.

But then he'd just be ryu inserted into smash, smash characters are supposed to be different from there smash version.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

True. I also think it's a placeholder. The full Ryu's Stage theme is likely what it sounds like though.

Yes, having the retro Ryu's stage theme isn't out of place on the other hand, like Green Hill, Namco's Medleys and Megaman's Medleys.
Just that I expect the victory theme to be remixed.

But then he'd just be ryu inserted into smash, smash characters are supposed to be different from there smash version.

He will be able to double jump in Smash

 

[8-peacock-8]

But then he'd just be ryu inserted into smash, smash characters are supposed to be different from there smash version.

Ryu will always be like that since he's Ryu. But they can definitely get him to work in Smash Bros like a true Smash bros character.

 

[DJ3DS]

I'm not sure if it's yet been discussed here, but how do you think people would feel about incorporating iconic SF moves from other characters into Ryu's moveset? Obviously being faithful to him should always be the priority, but if you take every move from him out of SFIV at least, you still lack some moves, which, if you look at other characters, can easily be filled with instantly recognisable attacks. For example:

Up Air - Flash Kick (Guile) - This is the big one for me as when trying to come up with a moveset for Ryu, there isn't really anything that I think would make a good Up Air, and this is perfect.

Up Throw - Spinning Piledriver (Zangief) - Obvious kill throw. Ryu's throws really feel most appropriate as Down/Back throws so something needs to be implemented here.

Side Smash - Tiger Knee (Sagat) - This could admittedly be a Forward Air as well, but Ryu has plenty of punches for that, and there are enough parallels between Ryu and Falcon (pretty much the entire set of standard attacks, plus the U-Air if you went for Flash Kick) without giving him a knee as well.

Mostly I am curious as to the reactions if people incorporated other characters moves into Ryu. I can see it being taken both positively as a nice nod to the series as a whole, but also more negatively by people wanting to stay more strict to the games (though I'm not sure how you can).

But then he'd just be ryu inserted into smash

I'd be extremely surprised if we got much more than "Ryu in Smash" - between him being a 3rd party, with the pressure to stay true to his character, and the fact that his moveset is so iconic (I'd argue most famous in fighting game history) the number of people who'd want to change it is a vast minority.

I will happily wager Ryu's moveset is for the vast majority going to feel like a straight translation from Street Fighter. There is a small amount of potential for mixups in some of the moves he doesn't have a direct analog for in Street Fighter (namely Up and Back attacks) but they're almost certainly never going to choose something new where they can put anything even remotely recognisable from Street Fighter. Anyone who expects otherwise is going to be disappointed as Nintendo/Capcom aren't going to alienate a legion of fans who will expect nothing less than the Ryu they know and love.

I am a big fan of the EX gauge idea personally. Its inclusion would be an interesting gameplay mechanic for him, and a welcome reference to his original series. In some sense I think it would be a shame if they didn't use it because it would be a fun and unique mechanic in the game, especially if it acted similarly to the games in that it didn't give much extra knockback to his attacks, but increased opportunities to lengthen combo strings.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I don't really mind if Ryu get moves from other characters, but I think it should stay true to the character, more or less.

So seeing him suddenly using a wrestling technique from a big russian seems a bit out of place...

On the other hand, the flash kick is basically just Captain Falcon / Ganondorf U-air. It's less specific, so it's okay.