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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
 

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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
 

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Smash Hero
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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
 

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Smash Hero
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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
 

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Smash Hero
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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
 

infomon

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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

infomon

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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

infomon

Smash Scientist
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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

infomon

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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

infomon

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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

infomon

Smash Scientist
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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

infomon

Smash Scientist
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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

infomon

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Legal issues prevent a specific forum, since Nintendo now is against homebrew, and because of this, SWF/MLG cannot risk having a specific forum bent on hacking. <3 SMYN
That's really sad. I mean like, tragic that a company can have the power to decide what we are and are not allowed to talk about on an internet forum.

Would you happen to know what exactly it is about the homebrew / Brawl+ / etc. stuff that could actually be considered illegal, or a violation of a EULA or whatever?
 

SCOTU

Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

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Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

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Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

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Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

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Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

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Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

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Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

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Smash Hero
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I don't know what it is, it's probably just speculation by MLG because they don't want to get sued.

And no, it's not tragic that they can decide what we can and can't talk about because they provide the entire infrastructure for us to even be talking, so I'm at least a bit thankful for that and can respect their want to not get sued and lose a bunch of money.
 

Amazing Ampharos

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I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Amazing Ampharos

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I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Amazing Ampharos

Balanced Brawl Designer
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I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Amazing Ampharos

Balanced Brawl Designer
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I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Amazing Ampharos

Balanced Brawl Designer
Writing Team
Joined
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Kansas City, MO
I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Amazing Ampharos

Balanced Brawl Designer
Writing Team
Joined
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I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Amazing Ampharos

Balanced Brawl Designer
Writing Team
Joined
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I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Amazing Ampharos

Balanced Brawl Designer
Writing Team
Joined
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I don't think the Homebrew Channel itself is actually illegal (it depends on whether it used copyrighted code from Nintendo; I don't think it did), and Nintendo v Game Genie clearly establishes that codes similar to the Ocarina codes are legal. I really doubt that Nintendo would have any grounds to take legal action on SWF for having such a subforum no matter how much they dislike it (and they do dislike that sort of thing). From a legal standpoint, I don't think the current policy toward hack discussion here is that much less risky than having a subforum for it (the smash lab is officially involved in hacking brawl as per the staff made sticky in GBD). Of course, it's ultimately the MLG's decision, so if they don't wish to be supportive of hacking or only want to be supportive to their current extent, then we really don't have grounds to complain.

Also, for the record, Nintendo's likely course of action if they did decide to pursue legal action against SWF for any manner of copyright violation would be to issue a cease and desist notice requesting the allegedly offending content be removed. So it's completely senseless to be worried about the legal ramifications of just about anything you (you as in an individual user) post here as the worst case scenario is that it will be removed. There are good arguments to not be posting about the development of a hacked version of brawl, but legal concerns are not among them.
 

Luxor

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I doubt the homebrew stuff would be a copyright violation; more likely it's the DMCA in the U.S. that would prevent them from breaking DRM that Nintendo might claim should have covered the vulnerability they left in their console. I'm not sure if that's the case at all, but just a separate thing we (err, the homebrew ppl) should be looking out for (and I'm sure they are).

The homebrew ppl might be outside of the US though.

As for Brawl+, I think some of the ways ppl have worked on it has involved breach of copyright in the US, but I don't think it's a copyright violation to install and use it.

It's possible that Nintendo has no legal grounds to stop the vast majority of this stuff, even if they're issuing cease+desist notices.... but I doubt any of us want to challenge them in court :urg:

...So pretty much the only thing you don't have a formula for is hitstun given when the opponent isn't at 0%. Amazing. Having all of that data applicable to stale moves is great too. I didn't know the tidbit about a move getting a bonus its first use either- I've got some stuff to do with all this info.

Also, I cringe a little inside whenever someone says it takes 10% to break the Tornado.
 

Luxor

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I doubt the homebrew stuff would be a copyright violation; more likely it's the DMCA in the U.S. that would prevent them from breaking DRM that Nintendo might claim should have covered the vulnerability they left in their console. I'm not sure if that's the case at all, but just a separate thing we (err, the homebrew ppl) should be looking out for (and I'm sure they are).

The homebrew ppl might be outside of the US though.

As for Brawl+, I think some of the ways ppl have worked on it has involved breach of copyright in the US, but I don't think it's a copyright violation to install and use it.

It's possible that Nintendo has no legal grounds to stop the vast majority of this stuff, even if they're issuing cease+desist notices.... but I doubt any of us want to challenge them in court :urg:

...So pretty much the only thing you don't have a formula for is hitstun given when the opponent isn't at 0%. Amazing. Having all of that data applicable to stale moves is great too. I didn't know the tidbit about a move getting a bonus its first use either- I've got some stuff to do with all this info.

Also, I cringe a little inside whenever someone says it takes 10% to break the Tornado.
 

Luxor

Smash Champion
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I doubt the homebrew stuff would be a copyright violation; more likely it's the DMCA in the U.S. that would prevent them from breaking DRM that Nintendo might claim should have covered the vulnerability they left in their console. I'm not sure if that's the case at all, but just a separate thing we (err, the homebrew ppl) should be looking out for (and I'm sure they are).

The homebrew ppl might be outside of the US though.

As for Brawl+, I think some of the ways ppl have worked on it has involved breach of copyright in the US, but I don't think it's a copyright violation to install and use it.

It's possible that Nintendo has no legal grounds to stop the vast majority of this stuff, even if they're issuing cease+desist notices.... but I doubt any of us want to challenge them in court :urg:

...So pretty much the only thing you don't have a formula for is hitstun given when the opponent isn't at 0%. Amazing. Having all of that data applicable to stale moves is great too. I didn't know the tidbit about a move getting a bonus its first use either- I've got some stuff to do with all this info.

Also, I cringe a little inside whenever someone says it takes 10% to break the Tornado.
 
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