Grabbing with Zero Suit

[g5tran]

Hey guys, I've been practicing with Zero suit for a couple months and have been improving thanks to this thread, but I've had trouble with Zero Suit Samus' grab. I always see a great time to grab during matches(shield grabbing or just trying to get them when their shielding) but usually by the time I've thrown out that whip, they've rolled or dodged it and are winding up some serious punishment.

When is it ideal to grab with Zero Suit? or is it just advisable to not use it often? Thanks!

 

[Zero]

You have to be extra smart to grab with ZSS, because of the slow nature of it. An observant opponent need not predict the grab, they can actually see the start up So you, as a ZSS player, must predict this and outpredict them. You don't need to grab: if you predict a roll or spotdodge, charge a pivot downsmash or a spaced side B. The only time that it's really safe to grab is as a follow up. Weak uair often chains into grab, bair -> pivot grab often works, and the previous mindgame can also be applied for serious punishment. Basically, just keep safe, and when you think it's a good situation for a grab, predict what your opponent will do and beat it.

To answer the second question, yes, it is advisable to not use it often. However, when applied correctly, it's a devastating addon to your arsenal.

 

[mountain_tiger]

I only use her grab in three situations:

- After a DSmash.
- After a neutral B.
- After shielding a very laggy move.

But yeah, it shouldn't be used too much. Though if you do get the grab in, make the most of it.

 

[sasook]

Hey guys, I've been practicing with Zero suit for a couple months and have been improving thanks to this thread, but I've had trouble with Zero Suit Samus' grab. I always see a great time to grab during matches(shield grabbing or just trying to get them when their shielding) but usually by the time I've thrown out that whip, they've rolled or dodged it and are winding up some serious punishment.

When is it ideal to grab with Zero Suit? or is it just advisable to not use it often? Thanks!

Whoa....typing up the OP with future predicting skills? lol

To answer your question, basically what Zero said.

Also, in the future, use the Q&A for this type of thing.

 

[Adapt]

There are a couple things not mentioned yet.

- know which moves have enough lag to be shield-grabbed. One I like to do is DDD's fair and bair I dunno if they are guaranteed but it works well for me. We have the range to grab people no matter how well they've spaced their laggy attack.

- Use grab as a mix-up. If you very rarely grab you can catch people off-guard by throwing it out instead of a more common move. If you catch people shielding your dash attack, dash-grab instead. Also at the beginning of the match when you are throwing the suit pieces around you can normally sneak a grab in by glide tossing down and grabbing rather than glide tossing forward

To sum things up: use it very sparsely and wisely...
most of the time if you shield a move you can follow up with something better. (bair, uair, usmash, dtilt, ftilt, utilt)

 

[ThreeSided]

You can also grab opponents out of the air. If your opponent has used up their double jump, check for their landing, and throw a grab out right before they touch the ground.

 

[Zero]

Also that, very reliable against characters with terrible horizontal air movement such as Snake.

 

[noradseven]

Also that, very reliable against characters with terrible horizontal air movement such as Snake.

and against marth if they use there jump twice

 

[wWw Dazwa]

Also, keep in mind the landing animation of some character's attacks. If you immediately try to grab Snake after he throws a bair out and hits your shield, your grab will just shoot over him. Luckily Snake's bair landing animation is pretty slow, just wait a little bit and then grab, and you'll be all set.

We have a stupid grab

 

[FadedImage]

You can also grab opponents out of the air. If your opponent has used up their double jump, check for their landing, and throw a grab out right before they touch the ground.

Also, keep in mind the landing animation of some character's attacks. If you immediately try to grab Snake after he throws a bair out and hits your shield, your grab will just shoot over him.

We have a stupid grab

these

grabbing double jump landings is sick. It's really important on the poor air control characters. or characters with bad landing aerials (like ourselves).

and the sourspot on our grab is one of the stupidest things I could ever imagine putting on a character. **** that ****.

 

[sasook]

2 week old bump? D:

 

[fkacyan]

teh Necroz.

 

[g5tran]

it's all good, her grabs set up into some pretty good combo's so the more tips the better. I have found that grabbing someone while they're landing is pretty awesome, except the whip sometimes goes through them instead of grabbing them :/

 

[FUNKLAB]

mountain_tiger pretty much summed it up for me as well. I try not to use our grab unless I'm almost positive it will land. We don't have the luxury of throwing out grabs like character's with much shorter grab animations =( it's just part of her game and something, that if you commit to, you will get used to.

PS: It's worth it cause ZSS is awesome

 

[FadedImage]

**** did I really necro it?

my bad. I just revisited the threads after being gone for ever so it said it had new posts. forgot to look at post date...

I fail zss boards ):

 

[Zaffy]

I use grabs waaaay too much, i need to tone it down.

 

[sasook]

These bumps are killing me. Dazwa, lock please?