Global Character Guides - Olimar

[Virgilijus]

Hello, all! For those that don't know me, I'm Virg. I moderate things. I'm also in charge of the newly founded Discussion Leader group and I had an idea sprout in my head not too long ago.

Every individual character board is quite different and many are truly contrasting. Seeing as how I'm tasked with encouraging discussion and help throughout the boards, I thought that maybe encouraging some similar layouts on each board would help new people (or board hermits) that eventually strolled into other boards. Not that they would get lost, but just that it would be easier and the process alone would be gratifying.

So with that, I'm here for a proposition (not of that kind!): a reformatting and update of the character guide, if it needs one. I see a lot of good threads...though I have a feeling some are out of date or can be compensated. But I digress.

So for those of you that don't want to read: I would like to try to get every character board to clean up and organize their character board guides/stickies. Some are fine as is. Others...not so much. I'm asking this for a shot of dialogue and cross communication throughout the boards as well as making the stickies less cluttersome.

So, what do you guys say? This is all voluntary. Just wanted to try to spruce the boards up a bit. If you have any opinions or questions, I'd be happy to hear them

 

[BOB SAGET!]

We should try to make the boards better. Though I really don't think there's much to change in the olimar boards other than updating matchups.

 

[Virgilijus]

That's fine

Some boards are all ready very well kept and I wouldn't expect much to be done.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

We're fine I believe. Unless you personally think it's ugly, then IDK.


EDIT)) This is BlackWaltzX

 

[Virgilijus]

Oh, it's all based on your guys opinions. If you guys think it's fine then no need to do anything about it. I'm just trying to get every board to re-evaluate their stickies since so many of them are cluttered and redundant.

 

[Fino]

My guide is still VERY basic and needs a lot of work. But for practical purposes it's fine.


~Fino

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Alright, here's my opinion on the stickies. This is going to be long, because I like long posts. Virgilijus, you probably won't care about what I'm about to say as much as the other Olimar mains, haha. This will just be a good thread for me to state it all in. I've been wanting to get the Olimar board's stickies more organized, mainly taking out what obviously isn't needed. Some of this was discussed in the Oli Backroom Group, but not everyone goes to it, so I figure this would be a better place to post.

Guides: I think Fino's Guide will Suffice as the only the Olimar Boards need. Kyas' "Everything You Need To Know About Pikmin" Thread is, as DanGR once stated, not a guide. It is reference thread. However, this thread is highly out dated. Right now, instead of it being a reference/guide combination, it should be redone as a reference thread that is much more sufficient and inclined towards things that... you normally don't know about pikmin. Like ghost pikmin. Or stage pluck percentages. Things that we would normally need another entire thread for. I plan to write the thread out myself, as I've done a lot of the testing that a reference thread would need. Not saying I'm better than anyone at anything, I just don't think anyone else would do it lol. I plan to replace Kyas' guide with this soon.

Match-up Thread: DanGR does a good job running the Match-up thread. There are only two things I would suggest for it. 1) Keep on topic. A lot of the times we get into a matchup discussion, and change the subject extremely fast. Most of the time it leads to the match-up discussions taking a LOT longer than they should. Usually around three weeks to over a month, to be honest. This isn't too easy to help though, I suppose. 2) I think all of the match-up numbers should be posted at the top of the thread where they're easy to see, rather than at the bottom, after the match-up descriptions. Also, I suppose more descriptions need to be written out. Ten out of the twenty-four match-ups we've discussed have the descriptions for the match-ups in the first post. The other fourteen, you would have to search through the pages, and figure out what's true and untrue, rather than the final analysis.

Other: Video compendium is soon going to be handed over to paranormalsin, although I'd like opinions on whether or not it should stay stickied. Q&A thread is going well. Nothing needs to change. "Links to all Useful Threads" thread is fine as well, and well organized as well.

Only other things that have been mentioned to be stickied are the social thread, and... maybe a stage discussion thread? I'd really like the information from the two stage discussion threads (one on actual stages and how they do for Olimar, and the others on stage counterpicks for certain characters) to be somehow intertwined. I don't know exactly how, but it would make things a lot better, and more organized. And the thread doesn't have to be stickied. Just having all of the stage information in one thread would be helpful. I may talk to Dynne or Dabuz about it.

 

[Virgilijus]

Well, it seems like you know what you want. I leave it up to you (unless you want my opinion on something, of course).

 

[BOB SAGET!]

What we can have is a stickied critique thread. A lot of character boards have them. I already asked Hilt what he thought about that. What do you think Virgilijus?

 

[Virgilijus]

If it's kept up and used a lot, it's fine by me.

 

[DanGR]

2) I think all of the match-up numbers should be posted at the top of the thread where they're easy to see, rather than at the bottom, after the match-up descriptions.

I'll do that now.

Also, I suppose more descriptions need to be written out. Ten out of the twenty-four match-ups we've discussed have the descriptions for the match-ups in the first post. The other fourteen, you would have to search through the pages, and figure out what's true and untrue, rather than the final analysis.

Lately, I've been revising the summaries of the matchups that I've already written a summary for. It's tedious work and can take a good long while to write something I feel is adequate.

What would really help me out would be if some of the other Olimar players would "sign up" to write a quick summary for the characters we've discussed and I haven't gotten around to writing anything for. For a couple of the characters, I haven't actually played the matchup enough myself to feel comfortable writing a summary about them. For example, I haven't played a good Sonic in a while. There's no way I'd type up a summary about it.

edit:
I just reordered everything. Are there any more requests for the reformatting of the matchup thread?

 

[Dotcom]

I just have one problem with the stage discussion thread, many people come from many different regions and depending on Area/Tournament/Tournament Host stage selections either loosen or tighten themselves up ion certain areas.

For example I know Ohio's stage selection is much more lax(and good for Olimar heehee), compared to Atlantic North.

Luigi's Mansion and Pictochat are two very viable options for Olimar when they are available and are sometimes choosen as the best Olimar stage(even though in some cases Luigi's isn't....), and backed up by another banned stage (in my area at least) as the second such aqs Norfair. I think whoever decides to tackle the new stage selection thread, should check before they put things up. Just a thought. Maybe someone could do an if not available column for kicks.

oh btw Hilt, and Paranormal how'd you guys do. Get this not only did we not have a car, I was ill yesterday. Double pimp slap in the face :[

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

I agree. Since NC is so strict with all it's stages anyway...>.>

 

[Fino]

What would really help me out would be if some of the other Olimar players would "sign up" to write a quick summary for the characters we've discussed and I haven't gotten around to writing anything for. For a couple of the characters, I haven't actually played the matchup enough myself to feel comfortable writing a summary about them. For example, I haven't played a good Sonic in a while. There's no way I'd type up a summary about it.

QTF

I think we should just say "hey, I have a lot of exp against these characters. Lemme do a quick write up on my perspective of how to fight them. Don't be afraid if someone has already gotten a character down. People play different, and there are different strategies for taking on opponents. The more the merrier.


~Fino

 

[Noa.]

Looking throughout the Pika guide, I'm quite impressed. Not only do they have a section on recovering, but how to recover high, middle and low. For Pikachu. He's one of the easiest characters to recover with.

But the Olimar guide only mentions DI and momentum canceling in its recovering section. Not one word on the whistle. Yes, it being useful for stopping edgeguarding is mentioned on the brief summary of the whistle but for some reason it's not mentioned in the recovery section. That's very lacking.

Our guide can be as comprehensive as the Pikachu one, but it does require the effort of a number of good intelligent Olimar mains. Not just one person. The guide is good, but it's certainly not great.

Even though it does say "Not done" it has been out for a while now.

 

[Dyyne]

I just have one problem with the stage discussion thread, many people come from many different regions and depending on Area/Tournament/Tournament Host stage selections either loosen or tighten themselves up ion certain areas.

The stage counterpick thread you mean, my thread hasn't got into cp's yet Although, @ Hilt, I was planning on talking about cp's eventually in my thread after all the stages were done (almost done with PS2, then just RC, then it's onto the cp/banned and banned lists, which ought to go fast), but then it looks like dabuz started managing his thread a bit again, so I don't know what the deal is.

 

[Dabuz]

The stage counterpick thread you mean, my thread hasn't got into cp's yet Although, @ Hilt, I was planning on talking about cp's eventually in my thread after all the stages were done (almost done with PS2, then just RC, then it's onto the cp/banned and banned lists, which ought to go fast), but then it looks like dabuz started managing his thread a bit again, so I don't know what the deal is.

honestly, the entire cp thread is out of date and is a mess to fix IMO, so ive lost interest in it, i wanna make a slightly better chart that covers all tourney stages though...

 

[BOB SAGET!]

Critique thread is up! We'll see how that goes...

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Lately, I've been revising the summaries of the matchups that I've already written a summary for. It's tedious work and can take a good long while to write something I feel is adequate.

What would really help me out would be if some of the other Olimar players would "sign up" to write a quick summary for the characters we've discussed and I haven't gotten around to writing anything for. For a couple of the characters, I haven't actually played the matchup enough myself to feel comfortable writing a summary about them. For example, I haven't played a good Sonic in a while. There's no way I'd type up a summary about it.

I love this idea. I've seen this done in quite a few other character boards' match-up threads, and was thinking about suggesting it. I know I could help out in this, as there are quite a few match-ups i know extremely well. I also plan to go through some of the other match-ups that need to be revised to see if I can add anything to them. It's just very important that people keep the format the same. Other than that, though, everything in the match-up thread is fine.

honestly, the entire cp thread is out of date and is a mess to fix IMO, so ive lost interest in it, i wanna make a slightly better chart that covers all tourney stages though...

What if you just... redid it? Wiped the charts clean and started from scratch. I can see what you're talking about that. More stages should definitely be mentioned for each of the characters, I agree. I'll see if I can think of anything. You could also set periods of time where we're to discuss what stages work against a character and what don't.

 

[Fino]

Even though it does say "Not done" it has been out for a while now.

You single handedly write 38 pages of your knowledge on olimar and then get back to me. Holy crap. The pikachu forums, unlike the olimar forums, has people who are willing to guide right and have taken action to do a section of it. Rather, people are just like... I'll help, and then don't say what they'll help with. I know, from being with the pikachu's a lot, that several people were like "oh, I'll write this section"

Thanks for the support though. I'm sorry I can't write the break down of everything olimar in a couple weeks. Especially with people *****ing down my back that I can't add this, or should do this.


~Fino

EDIT: At some point it was more important for me to get something on every part that I wanted done. So I'm sorry the recovery part isn't as good as it should be given it's one of our character's main weakness... but then read the first line of this post again

 

[DanGR]

You single handedly write 38 pages of your knowledge on olimar and then get back to me. Holy crap. The pikachu forums, unlike the olimar forums, has people who are willing to guide right and have taken action to do a section of it. Rather, people are just like... I'll help, and then don't say what they'll help with. I know, from being with the pikachu's a lot, that several people were like "oh, I'll write this section"

Thanks for the support though. I'm sorry I can't write the break down of everything olimar in a couple weeks. Especially with people *****ing down my back that I can't add this, or should do this.


~Fino

EDIT: At some point it was more important for me to get something on every part that I wanted done. So I'm sorry the recovery part isn't as good as it should be given it's one of our character's main weakness... but then read the first line of this post again

Yeah, I think the matchup thread was somewhere around 30-35 pages when I put it in a word document a while back. It takes a LOT out of a person. I totally understand.

If I have permission, I may start a thread where we can actually have a list of sections of your guide thread, the matchup thread, and and some other threads for people to literally sign up for. When they sign up, they're either saying they'll revise/add on to something already written, or they'll write a section for it. Thoughts?

I love this idea. I've seen this done in quite a few other character boards' match-up threads, and was thinking about suggesting it. I know I could help out in this, as there are quite a few match-ups i know extremely well. I also plan to go through some of the other match-ups that need to be revised to see if I can add anything to them. It's just very important that people keep the format the same. Other than that, though, everything in the match-up thread is fine.

That'd be wonderful.

Hilt, may I do what's above?

 

[Dabuz]

I love this idea. I've seen this done in quite a few other character boards' match-up threads, and was thinking about suggesting it. I know I could help out in this, as there are quite a few match-ups i know extremely well. I also plan to go through some of the other match-ups that need to be revised to see if I can add anything to them. It's just very important that people keep the format the same. Other than that, though, everything in the match-up thread is fine.



What if you just... redid it? Wiped the charts clean and started from scratch. I can see what you're talking about that. More stages should definitely be mentioned for each of the characters, I agree. I'll see if I can think of anything. You could also set periods of time where we're to discuss what stages work against a character and what don't.

when i did periods of time no one posted anything, i wanna have a chart where all characters and tourney legal stages are listed in sections, and instead of doing "best neutral" "worst neutral" ect. i just wanna put a number in each row for how good that stage is for us inthe matchup,
example:

       fd        bf          yi         sv          lylat
mario      7          6           8          7               9

we would just do it like that for all the characters and put all stages that can be in tournaments in this chart, the higher the number, the better the stage for us

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Definitely, DanGR! That thread would definitely help keep things moving, and get more of us involved in the guides.

Looking forward to seeing it :D

 

[Noa.]

You single handedly write 38 pages of your knowledge on olimar and then get back to me. Holy crap. The pikachu forums, unlike the olimar forums, has people who are willing to guide right and have taken action to do a section of it. Rather, people are just like... I'll help, and then don't say what they'll help with. I know, from being with the pikachu's a lot, that several people were like "oh, I'll write this section"

Thanks for the support though. I'm sorry I can't write the break down of everything olimar in a couple weeks. Especially with people *****ing down my back that I can't add this, or should do this.


~Fino

EDIT: At some point it was more important for me to get something on every part that I wanted done. So I'm sorry the recovery part isn't as good as it should be given it's one of our character's main weakness... but then read the first line of this post again

I apologize if I sounded rude or ungrateful. I did learn a lot from reading your guide when I started with Olimar.

I agree with you. I do not expect only one person to write a guide. It's more than enough work for one person. That's why I mentioned a group of good Olimars to write it.

I myself would help, but I'm not a good Olimar. I've gone to one tourney with him, and while I didn't do too badly at most I'm a mediocre Olimar.

DanGR, you should make that thread for people to sign for what matchups and sections of the guide people want to write. This really needs to get done to make the boards more complete and comprehensive.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

hahaha dabuz, I like the idea. I was thinking about suggesting that to Dynne for his thread, but it would make more sense in yours, and would be a lot better than how it's set up now. I'll get to work on a basic chart for it. (also if you'd like, I'd be able to edit the chart into the post. I haven't done that to any posts yet though, because I wasn't sure how people would feel about it >.> Or I could just give you the charts in a post as I have been.)

edit: I'm done making the charts, and they're, as of now, blank. Just the columns and rows have been set. Just let me know whether they'll be posted in your original stage thread, or a new one.

 

[Dabuz]

hahaha dabuz, I like the idea. I was thinking about suggesting that to Dynne for his thread, but it would make more sense in yours, and would be a lot better than how it's set up now. I'll get to work on a basic chart for it. (also if you'd like, I'd be able to edit the chart into the post. I haven't done that to any posts yet though, because I wasn't sure how people would feel about it >.> Or I could just give you the charts in a post as I have been.)

edit: I'm done making the charts, and they're, as of now, blank. Just the columns and rows have been set. Just let me know whether they'll be posted in your original stage thread, or a new one.

ill make a new stage thread, and then you can show off your mod powers by editing the chart into my post

 

[Fino]

EDIT: nvrm